Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 128

emanswfan said:

Full interactive compilation of the currently rumored plot elements.  (a more organized and easier to read version than my previous post about this)

http://spoilerboard.blogspot.de/2015/05/welcome-to-star-wars-force-awakens.html?m=1

Contains confidence levels for each plot point, as well as two different versions of Act III since nearly all of that last part of the film is speculation.

My bets, again, are that about 20% of the stuff is correct.  I think most of it sounds awesome to me, while others parts make me cringe (hopefully the stuff that is all fake).

 That was entertaining, overall sounds great but a lot will depend on the execution of the history, visuals, dialogue, etc... Each day that passes I feel more excited about the TFA but still I hold some skepticism until more information is revealed.

emanswfan said:

Full interactive compilation of the currently rumored plot elements.  (a more organized and easier to read version than my previous post about this)

http://spoilerboard.blogspot.de/2015/05/welcome-to-star-wars-force-awakens.html?m=1

Most of this sounds pretty amazing to me, I didn't ready any of the two versions of Act III to avoid potentially spoiling the ending, but the first two acts seemed pretty interesting. If this turns out to be true then they're going for a much more simple and "calmer" narrative, which I personally welcome after the messy and frantic plots of the PT (ROTS especially, I mean that entire film was just one long climax with breaks). It also sounds very similar to ANH's plot structure. It has the characters, and therefore also us the audience, gradually getting to explore the universe of the film. I really hope that most of this is what the final film will actually be like.

I also liked the stuff with Maz Kanata. If it turns out to be true then it might piss of some SW purists, but I kind of liker the idea that they might have expanded on the nature of the force. Of course the title already kind of suggested that they had, but I always felt that the PT played it a little bit too safe and just gave us stuff we'd already seen. The only thing they added was midichlorians, and that just sucked the magic out of it. This seems like a step back towards the more mystical and magical aspects of the force.

ZkinandBonez said:

emanswfan said:

Full interactive compilation of the currently rumored plot elements.  (a more organized and easier to read version than my previous post about this)

http://spoilerboard.blogspot.de/2015/05/welcome-to-star-wars-force-awakens.html?m=1

Most of this sounds pretty amazing to me, I didn't ready any of the two versions of Act III to avoid potentially spoiling the ending, but the first two acts seemed pretty interesting. If this turns out to be true then they're going for a much more simple and "calmer" narrative, which I personally welcome after the messy and frantic plots of the PT (ROTS especially, I mean that entire film was just one long climax with breaks). It also sounds very similar to ANH's plot structure. It has the characters, and therefore also us the audience, gradually getting to explore the universe of the film. I really hope that most of this is what the final film will actually be like.

I also liked the stuff with Maz Kanata. If it turns out to be true then it might piss of some SW purists, but I kind of liker the idea that they might have expanded on the nature of the force. Of course the title already kind of suggested that they had, but I always felt that the PT played it a little bit to safe and just gave us stuff we'd already seen. The only thing they added was midichlorians, and that just sucked the magic out of it. This seems like a step back towards the more mystical and magical aspects of the force.

Agreed. I skipped all of Act III as well, but I liked what I read from Acts I and II. For what it's worth (probably not much), it was only the first two acts that high confidence percentages. Thanks for that link, emanswfan! That was well put together.

On the movie itself, I'm optimistic enough. I definitely err on the side of optimism though - I just like liking things way more than disliking them. We haven't seen what JJ can do with Star Wars, and again (optimism speaking), I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to see what he can do. 

pablumatic said:

...I can only assume the saber itself contains something important.

 That's the rumor. Something is hidden inside.
There's also the rumor that the film will open with Luke's severed hand floating through space still clutching the saber handle. I'll walk out if that happens.

pablumatic said:

...Here's to hoping its all false.

I'm with ya, but I've become a bit of a Thomas when it comes to Star Wars...

ray_afraid said:

pablumatic said:

...I can only assume the saber itself contains something important.

 That's the rumor. Something is hidden inside.
There's also the rumor that the film will open with Luke's severed hand floating through space still clutching the saber handle. I'll walk out if that happens.

pablumatic said:

...Here's to hoping its all false.

I'm with ya, but I've become a bit of a Thomas when it comes to Star Wars...

 Thankfully I haven't heard the floating hand rumor for some time

Is it really that weird that Luke's lightsaber have been found though? I mean it dropped into what was basically just a gigantic air vent in Cloud City, I'm sure there would be something, or someone to collect all the trash that might get dropped into it, that just makes sense. And we've already seen the ugnaughts rummaging through scrap from the city, so I don't see why one of them would pick up the lightsaber. I actually would find it weirder if the lightsaber weren't found by anyone. Plus a lightsaber is a pretty unique and valuable item (espeiclaly during the time of ESB) so it makes sense that some greedy little ugnaught would have picked it up. Being such a rare item, not to mention an illegal item under Imperial rule it makes sense that it would have changed through a lot of hands. And we already know that someone (most likely Kylo Ren) picked up Vader's charred helmet from Endor, which is also kind of weird, but far from impossible or improbable. After such a big and significant battle someone would have gone through the ruins, and Vader's helmet would also be quite a valuable item. It would be like finding Hitler's skull in the bunker or something similar.
I agree that it's a bit weird that both of these items seemingly has such an importance to the plot, but hopefully they will have an interesting explanation for Kylo Ren's interest in them. Plus it's only the first movie in the trilogy and it could turn out to be a somewhat clever way to tie the OT with the new films, and hopefully they'll be gone in the next two films. This seems the most likely since Abrams has talked about treating TFA as the link between the two trilogies and the transfer into a new story-line with new characters.

Could the lightsaber itself have some connection to the force perhaps? Considering that the film is called "the force awakens" and that there's been rumours about about the nature of the force suddenly changing, scaring Luke into exile, etc. And then there's the whole thing about Kanata showing visions through the lightsaber. Could the lightsaber and Vader's helmet be important through their connections to force users? Everyone assumes that kylo Ren is just a Vader wannabe, but maybe he (and perhaps the "Uber" character) actually have a practical purpose for them, like a ritual or something? Could the items themselves have a certain power to them. The EU has definitely played with these "occult" like aspects of the Sith and if Kanata can extract visions from an item then that could be what they're going for in this film. If that picture of Kylo Ren in the snow really is outside a sith temple, then a ritual of some kind could definitely be part of the plot.

If the film makers are willing to throw reality that far out the window in the opening shot, I'm out.
Leaving that early into the film guarantees I'll get my money back and still have two hours of free time. Seems like a good deal to me.

Actually, I'm sure I'll already know how the movie opens before going to see it.

ZkinandBonez said:

I agree that it's a bit weird that both of these items seemingly has such an importance to the plot, but hopefully they will have an interesting explanation for Kylo Ren's interest in them.

 If the spoiler site is accurate, it's a reasonable assumption that Kylo Ren is Rey's brother - making Vader his grandfather. It's not so weird that he would want Vader artifacts in that context. The saber was Vader's before it was Luke's.

FunkyDays said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I agree that it's a bit weird that both of these items seemingly has such an importance to the plot, but hopefully they will have an interesting explanation for Kylo Ren's interest in them.

 If the spoiler site is accurate, it's a reasonable assumption that Kylo Ren is Rey's brother - making Vader his grandfather. It's not so weird that he would want Vader artifacts in that context. The saber was Vader's before it was Luke's.

It's possible, but I kind of feel that it needs more explanation than Kylo Ren just being a very nostalgic and sentimental sith. But we'll just have to wait and see, I am however personally hoping for a more unique reason behind it all.

Actually the opening shot should be Jar Jar attempting to clone Vader out of his midichlorians-filled bones in a Gungan facility, he is the one that found the lightsaber so he put Vaders bones inside the saber as a misa hidden spot but he was so hook on wookie-crack that he gave the whole thing to the vicar who was his dealer, Kylo Ren just wants to finish Jar Jar's task and the new trilogy is all about that. If you think about it that is the only acceptable plot and if the opening shot doesn't feature Jar Jar then I'll walk out.

NO JAR JAR = NO STAR WARS
NO MIDICHLORIANS = NO STAR WARS

DuracellEnergizer said:

ratpack1961 said:

Kylo Ren is boring design wise.  Another male villian.  I wanted Ventress or anything different then what we've seen before.

I agree. Hopefully, Kylo won't be the only darksider to show up in this trilogy.

Don't forget Uber and the rule of two
'' Always two there are....no more...no less. A master and an apprentice.''

So yeah, at least two

DuracellEnergizer said:

ratpack1961 said:

Kylo Ren is boring design wise.  Another male villian.  I wanted Ventress or anything different then what we've seen before.

I agree. Hopefully, Kylo won't be the only darksider to show up in this trilogy.

He apparently has a boss, about whom very little, if anything, is known.

DuracellEnergizer said:

dclarkg said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ratpack1961 said:

Kylo Ren is boring design wise.  Another male villian.  I wanted Ventress or anything different then what we've seen before.

I agree. Hopefully, Kylo won't be the only darksider to show up in this trilogy.

Don't forget Uber and the rule of two
'' Always two there are....no more...no less. A master and an apprentice.''

So yeah, at least two

Fuck the Rule of Two and fuck the Sith. Make Ren a simple darksider and leave that PT garbage in the PT.

 Fuck the PT? what a lack of taste, Jar Jar alone is worth the PT. No wonder why Panasonic is way better battery brand than you, ''PT garbage'' pfff unbelievable.