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Interesting...turns out Lucas was already in the planning stages to direct Episode VII before Disney came knocking:

Lucas already started to develop the next three Star Wars films, but he knew a third trilogy was a 10-year commitment at least. He at first expected to finish Episode VII, release it in May 2015 and then sell the company afterward.

But Disney expressed interest and came along at the right moment, Lucas says. "It's better for me to get out at the beginning of a new thing and I can just remove myself.

"The time is more important to me than the money."

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I wonder at what point he changed his mind and decided he wanted to make a third trilogy?

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Where were you in '77?

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Thank whatever gods there are that Lucas sold the company before he could. A Lucas-directed ST would have thoroughly murdered the franchise and gangbanged its corpse.

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.Mac. said:

I'd VERY much love to see Ren's crossguard be utilized for cutting opponents' hands off just as the first vid in here portrayed (at 2:47).

 I didn't really like the new design, now after watching the video, I'm worried even more. This guy shows how powerful this new big lightsaber is compared to the standard weapons, so I wonder if the fighters with the normal swords have to be just as fast as in the PT to compensate for their disadvantage.

Also, it makes every Jedi without a crossguard on their sword look stupid, as if they wanted their hands to get chopped off. Even in the PT, noone has a guard, so it seems that the fighting style evolved to a point where it doesn't require crossguards. Therefore, the standard lightsabers should be just as powerful in combat as the new one.

I'm really hoping the new design is introduced in a way to make sense for the movie and the whole saga. Apart from that, I'm fairly optimistic to get at least a good movie, if not a good Star Wars movie.

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Thank whatever gods there are that Lucas sold the company before he could.

 Exactly my thoughts XD

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SilverWook said:

I wonder at what point he changed his mind and decided he wanted to make a third trilogy?

As they old saying goes from All The Presidents Men, "Follow the money!"

Lucas said an in interview on Charlie Rose in 2004 that his company was having financial problems in the early 90's.  His shareholders went to him and did a presentation on the financial effects of making the PT.  He then said (paraphrasing), "I could have walked away from SW right then and there, and would be free to make whatever movie I want to make, but I would always be reliant on the studio system.  The financial benefits of making the PT is that it would make my company independent and free from the Studio System forever."

Lucas was asked about his plan to make 9 movies again right before Episode 1 and he answered, "Ha-Ha, let me make this trilogy first!"  He could have easily said right then and there that the Saga is 6 movies.

Then I believe Lucas was fed up with everything after the PT, and didn't want any part of SW again in the form of movies.  But again:  Follow the money!

There was still a demand for SW (despite the PT), so he was either going to make Episode 7 and then sell, or just sell altogether and let someone else do the ST.  There is just too much money to made on SW to stop milking this cow, Lucas knows it, Disney knows it, we all know it.

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Well, that's the thing. I never expected him to sell the company.

The shock wasn't that Episode VII was happening, it was that it was happening so soon and under these circumstances.

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Tobar said:

Interesting...turns out Lucas was already in the planning stages to direct Episode VII before Disney came knocking:

Lucas already started to develop the next three Star Wars films, but he knew a third trilogy was a 10-year commitment at least. He at first expected to finish Episode VII, release it in May 2015 and then sell the company afterward.

But Disney expressed interest and came along at the right moment, Lucas says. "It's better for me to get out at the beginning of a new thing and I can just remove myself.

"The time is more important to me than the money."

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 This has to be misreporting.  Lucas had started writing the ep. 7 synopsis as a way to sell the company.  There was never any intention to develop an in-house Ep. 7 that would be released by Fox (or someone) in 2015.

Unless he's changing his story again.  Or maybe the idea of writing the synopsis to sell the studio was something the other reporters came up with?

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Yeah we probably can't expect anything a but a teaser poster until May.

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ratpack1961 said:

Tobar said:

Interesting...turns out Lucas was already in the planning stages to direct Episode VII before Disney came knocking:

Lucas already started to develop the next three Star Wars films, but he knew a third trilogy was a 10-year commitment at least. He at first expected to finish Episode VII, release it in May 2015 and then sell the company afterward.

But Disney expressed interest and came along at the right moment, Lucas says. "It's better for me to get out at the beginning of a new thing and I can just remove myself.

"The time is more important to me than the money."

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 This has to be misreporting.  Lucas had started writing the ep. 7 synopsis as a way to sell the company.  There was never any intention to develop an in-house Ep. 7 that would be released by Fox (or someone) in 2015.

Unless he's changing his story again.  Or maybe the idea of writing the synopsis to sell the studio was something the other reporters came up with?

 It's often hard to tell when Lucas is telling the truth.

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There are going to be some big announcements come mid-April. I wouldn't be surprised to see the first poster, a new trailer, maybe a clip. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they announced a new show. Probably what the first spin-off will be.

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I'd be interested if anyone wanted to share their personal approach to spoilers, either for Ep7 or their experience with the prequels. 

I enjoy the speculation phase that we've been in so far, and nothing is out there that I would consider a spoiler at this point. To me, a spoiler comes from someone who knows for a fact what happens in the film. These were a problem during the release of the prequels toward the end when things like the comic adaptation or novelization were released a month or more before the film. Once the film is more or less finished, and is gearing up for release, real leaks of hardcore spoilers is possible. But until then, even if they are correct, speculation and rumors don't bother me. 

That being said, what I plan to do is go ahead and consume all news and rumors I come across without censorship until closer to the release date. Somewhere around, say, October I will then require myself to immediately click away or avert my eyes or ears when I hear any sort of spoiler warning. I can still peruse Star Wars sites and listen to podcasts, but react to avoid spoilers with hopefully at least mild success. Next, on the arbitrary date I set a year ago of November 8, I will begin a Star Wars internet blackout. I'll temporarily remove bookmarks to all Star Wars sites, stop updating any podcasts or RSS feeds. Anything on TV other than a commercial or spot I'll have to avoid too. And for the record, the release of the soundtrack would have to be released prior to this date for me to listen to it before the film; I will probably choose not to, but I reserve that right so long as it falls before my cutoff date. There should be a few Ep7-related books or things put out before then that I can save to read during this time. 

Of course, once the film is out there will be much to catch up on. More than anything else, I'm looking forward to watching all 7 with my young niece. Star Wars has that about it, something adults and children can enjoy together.

What are you all planning to do about spoilers? 

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Tobar said:

There are going to be some big announcements come mid-April. I wouldn't be surprised to see the first poster, a new trailer, maybe a clip. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they announced a new show. Probably what the first spin-off will be.

 How do you know this?

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unamochilla2 said:

Tobar said:

There are going to be some big announcements come mid-April. I wouldn't be surprised to see the first poster, a new trailer, maybe a clip. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they announced a new show. Probably what the first spin-off will be.

 How do you know this?

  

Isn't Celebration in April?

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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lovelikewinter said:

unamochilla2 said:

Tobar said:

There are going to be some big announcements come mid-April. I wouldn't be surprised to see the first poster, a new trailer, maybe a clip. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they announced a new show. Probably what the first spin-off will be.

 How do you know this?

  

Isn't Celebration in April?

 Ah, of course... I forgot. :-)

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Hal 9000 said:


What are you all planning to do about spoilers? 

 It will be the acid test for our new Spoiler policy. I fully expect idiots will randomly post spoilers on other sites I frequent. People used to pop in and yell Harry Potter spoilers in chat rooms, for example.

I've already been avoiding those alleged plot leaks elsewhere.

As a moderator on a Star Wars website, it's going to be pretty much impossible to avoid this thread completely, therefore, I'm boned. ;)

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Fortunately, the spoilers so far haven't been too revealing... at least plot wise.  In fact, a good portion of the rumors appear to be false, except for a minor details here and there.  I don't think I read one teaser rumor that turned out to even be partially true except for the length of it.  Even the information from those who were supposedly at the recording sessions for the music were flat out wrong.  However, it makes me wonder if Williams wrote and recorded more original music for the trailer or other possible teasers.

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Hal 9000 said:

I'd be interested if anyone wanted to share their personal approach to spoilers, either for Ep7 or their experience with the prequels. 

It was relatively easy for me to avoid spoilers for the prequels when they came out; I simply didn't own a computer with Internet access at the time. =P 

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Hal 9000 said:

I'd be interested if anyone wanted to share their personal approach to spoilers, either for Ep7 or their experience with the prequels. 

What are you all planning to do about spoilers? 

For TPM, I remember the biggest spoiler being the comic book tpb sitting on the shelf in April or early May of '99. I picked it up and flipped to the last several pages, seeing a panel of Obi-Wan doing a flip over Darth Maul and cutting him in half with Qui-Gon's green saber. For some reason, I remember the comic book showing it as Obi-Wan cutting Maul in half as he did the backflip and not waiting until he landed on his feet like in the actual film. I could be misremembering, though. Of course, there was also the panel immediately following of a close-up of Qui-Gon's dying words to Obi-Wan, "promise me you'll train the boy." So, I was pretty much asking to be spoiled and have no one to blame but myself there.

I remember getting the novelization less than a week before the film's release and reading through some of it. By opening day, I'd gotten up to the scene of Qui-Gon asking Obi-Wan for Anakin's midi-chlorian count (another big spoiler if only because we'd never seen that word before). It was interesting to hear all those lines from the book spoken aloud. In retrospect, it kinda gives new meaning to Harrison Ford's line "You can write this stuff, George, but you can't say it." I must admit, the dialogue didn't seem nearly as awkward in book form as it sounded in the actual movie.

The second trailer in March gave me the impression that the Naboo space battle happened early in the film, kinda like the Hoth battle in Empire. This was something I didn't have a clear picture of until only shortly before opening day.

There were other things, like the Time magazine article mentioning the cloaked dude who was clearly Palpatine was named Darth Sidious, which I immediately thought was dumb and still do.

For both AotC and RotS I'd been following spoilers the entire time on sites like tfn, so I went in knowing pretty much exactly what would happen. Looking back, man were some of the rumors total bs. Some of them were better than what we actually got, like the rumor of Anakin "collecting" the different parts of the Vader suit throughout Episode III.

I agree there haven't been too many spoilers for Ep7 at this point. For example, we still don't know who Max von Sydow, Lupita Nyong'o, Domnhall Gleeson, Andy Serkis and Adam Driver are playing, and I like that. November 8th seems like way too close of a cut-off point to me. I'm already regretting all the potential spoilers I've already read/seen. For example, based on the leaked concept paintings I think we already have a rough idea of who Andy Serkis is playing (but that's just like my opinion man).

For both The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises (especially the latter), I really had to restrain myself from reading spoiler articles. The movies were all the more rewarding because I didn't know how things would play out and had no clue how they'd end. We've got less than a year now until The Force Awakens is released and I think I'm just going to enter spoiler black-out mode right now. I guess that means I can't even look at this thread until December, but oh well, there are and will be plenty of other threads to keep me occupied.

I'll watch the trailers and tv spots, but that's it.

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SilverWook said:

Hal 9000 said:


What are you all planning to do about spoilers? 

 It will be the acid test for our new Spoiler policy. I fully expect idiots will randomly post spoilers on other sites I frequent. People used to pop in and yell Harry Potter spoilers in chat rooms, for example.

I've already been avoiding those alleged plot leaks elsewhere.

As a moderator on a Star Wars website, it's going to be pretty much impossible to avoid this thread completely, therefore, I'm boned. ;)

 This makes you an insider in a way.  All the Lucasfilm employees get spoiled also.  A least you are a moderator on the top hardcore Star Wars website.  What other site has threads devoted to the color of the subtitles in ANH :)

Does anyone remember the Virtual Edition website that was around when Ep. 1 was in production?  A nicely put together site of completely incorrect spoilers.  The MakingStarWars site for ep. 7 is not bad but I can't stand that this guy just describes the artwork he's seen and doesn't actually post images unless another site leaks.  I get he doesn't want to screw his sources but it comes across as "look at the cool stuff I've seen and you haven't".

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ratpack1961 said:

Does anyone remember the Virtual Edition website that was around when Ep. 1 was in production?  

 Heck yes I do. In fact, it still exists. No one much visits anymore, but the guy who took over after Roderick left is still producing images for their own sequel trilogy, imagined years before the official ST was conceived.

http://virtualedition.net/

On the left sidebar, you can still get to some version of the VEs for the PT.

ROTJ Storyboard Reconstruction Project

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I plan to avoid more and more spoilers as time goes on. I haven't bothered reading a lot of rumours both because it's possible some of them are accurate, and also because its probably a waste of time, being that 95% of them are probably complete nonsense, and really good ideas might just end up making me disappointed in what we end up with.