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Windexed said:

I still kind of wish GL was involved in some minor capacity (perhaps extremely minor). Kind of like how Arnold Palmer makes golf courses. He might tell them to put a tree here and a bunker there, but otherwise he just shows up for the opening ceremony, smiles, cuts the ribbon, takes a piss in the bushes, and leaves. The architects, engineers, and other skilled people do 99% of everything, which is how it should be.

Well since we don't know any details regarding screenplay... they might have used his story treatment (or at least partially), which would make it quite a major involvement.

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Maybe I'm not charitable enough to Star Wars' patriarch, but the most recent creative input from Lucas that I'm aware of is giving Palpatine the name "Sheeve." 

I honestly take comfort knowing Lucas is removed from the bulk of what's going on.

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Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I'm not charitable enough to Star Wars' patriarch, but the most recent creative input from Lucas that I'm aware of is giving Palpatine the name "Sheeve." 

I honestly take comfort knowing Lucas is removed from the bulk of what's going on.

Me too. Unlike the Phantom Menace, which I was excited for, and unlike the second two prequels, which I completely dreaded, I have no feelings towards the Sequel Trilogy. I'm not opposed to it at all (mostly because I know Lucas himself won't be ruining it), but I have no desire to see it. 

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Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I'm not charitable enough to Star Wars' patriarch, but the most recent creative input from Lucas that I'm aware of is giving Palpatine the name "Sheeve." 

I honestly take comfort knowing Lucas is removed from the bulk of what's going on.

 THIS, the fact the GL is removed from the bulk of the decisions, is the only reason I am cautiously optimistic.  

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Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I'm not charitable enough to Star Wars' patriarch, but the most recent creative input from Lucas that I'm aware of is giving Palpatine the name "Sheeve." 

I honestly take comfort knowing Lucas is removed from the bulk of what's going on.

"Sheeve" is totally a name I'd associate with a pasty-faced, dark side-wielding emperor. *rollseyes*

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imperialscum said:

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Windexed said:

I'm excited. However, and this may sound silly, I feel kind of weird about the fact that Lucas isn't involved. While I believe any creative talent he may have had disappeared a long time ago, someone else taking over everything seems kind of...inauthentic. Kind of like if your Mom remarried while your asshole dad is doing life in prison. The new guy might be nice, but he's not your Dad

 I felt the same way you did until a saw an interview with Terry Gilliam (Director movies like Twelve Monkeys) and a conversation he had with George Lucas:

Gilliam told a story about a conversation he had with George Lucas who insisted that the computer-generated Yoda was so much better than the puppet version: “I couldn’t get through to him, he couldn’t see how wrong he was!”

As much as I love what George Lucas gave us for the OT, THAT isn't the man who gave us the PT, and would have been involved in the ST.  It really scares me how much the man is obsessed with CGI, and to think that one of his greatest creations:  Yoda Puppet, is secondary to CGI puppet?

Sorry, but Lucas is Darth Vader now.  The good man that he was is more machine then man!

Gilliam ended up looking dumb in this situation. He is basically saying that someone's opinion is wrong which is stupid. I mean if Lucas thinks CGI is better, that's his opinion. That is like someone preferring oranges to apples while this guy would try to convince him how wrong he is.

 As we have explored before opinions can be wrong (only Americans seem to think this is impossible). One may hold the opinion that the sun goes around the moon, it would be a wrong opinion.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I'm not charitable enough to Star Wars' patriarch, but the most recent creative input from Lucas that I'm aware of is giving Palpatine the name "Sheeve." 

I honestly take comfort knowing Lucas is removed from the bulk of what's going on.

"Sheeve" is totally a name I'd associate with a pasty-faced, dark side-wielding emperor. *rollseyes*

Shteeve?

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I personally can't wait for Episode 7 i am watching Empire Strikes Back right now love all six films and can't wait for the new trilogy but i can see why your not excited for it. 

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I sense a great deal of pessimism in this thread.

 And it's totally understandable, if we could imagine that this thread is happening 15 years ago before TPM came out I bet that everyone would be in a orgasmic joy since all the reasons to think that the PT is going to be equal or better than the OT are there: Same guy who created SW is behind the PT... what could go wrong?? Then 15 years later, here we are wondering what the f*** George did. I think that we all disagree at some point on how bad the PT was but we all agree that the PT IS worse than the OT.

It's funny if you come to think that the fact that Lucas isn't behind the ST is actually what creates a good expectation because we don't know if it's going to suck or not, if Lucas were the man behind the ST as he was on the PT we would be far more pessimistic.

I understand that many people are bitter about the PT, and rightfully so. After years of disdain towards them, though, it should also be understandable that the people who are currently involved with the SW films know what's at stake here. JJ Abrams, who is a huge, life-long SW fan, certainly gets it and has tried on occasions to reassure us of this. Even certain "leaks" have been promising.

At least to me, I feel anyone who's a fan of SW would try to look forward to this optimistically, be open-minded, and have enough faith that JJ, Kasdan, Williams, the old and new cast, and everyone else involved are genuinely trying to make something as comparable and exhilarating as the OT.

Not saying it has to be or will be loved by everybody, because inevitably it won't be (same is true with The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, or ANY film), but give it a fair chance if you truly are a fan.

Don't let the PT get in the way of you wanting to enjoy any more SW that you loved so much before...

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I love all six films and can't wait for the new trilogy never in a million years did i think 7,8,and 9 would be made. 

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.Mac. said:

dclarkg said:

.Mac. said:

I sense a great deal of pessimism in this thread.

 And it's totally understandable, if we could imagine that this thread is happening 15 years ago before TPM came out I bet that everyone would be in a orgasmic joy since all the reasons to think that the PT is going to be equal or better than the OT are there: Same guy who created SW is behind the PT... what could go wrong?? Then 15 years later, here we are wondering what the f*** George did. I think that we all disagree at some point on how bad the PT was but we all agree that the PT IS worse than the OT.

It's funny if you come to think that the fact that Lucas isn't behind the ST is actually what creates a good expectation because we don't know if it's going to suck or not, if Lucas were the man behind the ST as he was on the PT we would be far more pessimistic.

I understand that many people are bitter about the PT, and rightfully so. After years of disdain towards them, though, it should also be understandable that the people who are currently involved with the SW films know what's at stake here. JJ Abrams, who is a huge, life-long SW fan, certainly gets it and has tried on occasions to reassure us of this. Even certain "leaks" have been promising.

At least to me, I feel anyone who's a fan of SW would try to look forward to this optimistically, be open-minded, and have enough faith that JJ, Kasdan, Williams, the old and new cast, and everyone else involved are genuinely trying to make something as comparable and exhilarating as the OT.

Not saying it has to be or will be loved by everybody, because inevitably it won't be (same is true with The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, or ANY film), but give it a fair chance if you truly are a fan.

Don't let the PT get in the way of you wanting to enjoy any more SW that you loved so much before...

 My thoughts exactly.

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.Mac. said:

I understand that many people are bitter about the PT, and rightfully so.

It's not just that, though (although it is mostly that). The other problem is that Return of the Jedi closed pretty much all of the OT storylines down.  Unlike Empire, which followed in the traditions of your classic serials by opening up more plotlines than it resolved, Jedi wrapped up the loose ends and put a nice bow on top of it for everyone.  The story was finished.  I didn't really want to see any more Star Wars movies after Jedi (for the same reason I really don't want to see a sequel to Casablanca--the story is already complete), and the prequels simply drew a line under that sentiment.

Anyone who makes a sequel pretty much has to create their own story. This is risky because people loved the old stories, and would accept continuations of those stories more easily than entirely new stories that just happen to have some of the same characters later in life.  Not saying it won't be good, just saying it's a tough act to follow.

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TheDoctor1987 said:

I personally can't wait for Episode 7. I am watching Empire Strikes Back right now. I love all six films and can't wait for the new trilogy, but I can see why you're not excited for it. 

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Windexed said:

I still kind of wish GL was involved in some minor capacity (perhaps extremely minor). Kind of like how Arnold Palmer makes golf courses. He might tell them to put a tree here and a bunker there, but otherwise he just shows up for the opening ceremony, smiles, cuts the ribbon, takes a piss in the bushes, and leaves. The architects, engineers, and other skilled people do 99% of everything, which is how it should be.

 I think that's too dangerous. All the problems with the prequel trilogy boiled down to Lucas forgetting how important other people's contributions were. And really, if George Lucas wanted to be more hands-off, he had decades of opportunity already. He walked away for a reason, and as grateful as I am for many of his cinematic contributions, I think Star Wars is better off now without his involvement.

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CatBus said:

.Mac. said:

I understand that many people are bitter about the PT, and rightfully so.

It's not just that, though (although it is mostly that). The other problem is that Return of the Jedi closed pretty much all of the OT storylines down.  Unlike Empire, which followed in the traditions of your classic serials by opening up more plotlines than it resolved, Jedi wrapped up the loose ends and put a nice bow on top of it for everyone.  The story was finished.  I didn't really want to see any more Star Wars movies after Jedi (for the same reason I really don't want to see a sequel to Casablanca--the story is already complete), and the prequels simply drew a line under that sentiment.

Anyone who makes a sequel pretty much has to create their own story. This is risky because people loved the old stories, and would accept continuations of those stories more easily than entirely new stories that just happen to have some of the same characters later in life.  Not saying it won't be good, just saying it's a tough act to follow.

I'm reading the Mistborn trilogy right now, which follows a group of rebels and scoundrels attempting to overthrow a god king with magical powers. I'll try to avoid spoilers, but suffice to say overthrowing an empire may be far simpler and less interesting than the resulting chaos.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

"Sheeve" is totally a name I'd associate with a pasty-faced, dark side-wielding emperor. *rollseyes*

In Lucas defence, a parent doesn't choose a name for a child with a notion in his mind that he will one day become an evil dictator. :p

The name is lame btw. :D

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Bingowings said:

As we have explored before opinions can be wrong (only Americans seem to think this is impossible). One may hold the opinion that the sun goes around the moon, it would be a wrong opinion.

Well I guess you just haven't explored it properly then.

Even the very example you provided goes horribly against your argument. The sun goes around the moon. It all depends on where you put the reference frame.

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Bingowings said:

As we have explored before opinions can be wrong (only Americans seem to think this is impossible).

In defense [sic] of Americans, we may have stripped the word "opinion" of any useful meaning, but we have taken the art of pedantry and missing the point to a whole new level.

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I'm hyped. I didn't want to hype, because we've all been burnt before, but I'm hyping pretty good right now.

Trying to remain mostly spoiler-free is tough, and stuff pops up in my face on the internet here and there, but I'm otherwise holding out on any rumors or spoilers or leaks or anything, and I feel like maybe that's contributing. I'm really excited to sit down in the theater and see the very first trailer.

You know it's totally gonna start off with those lilting chords of "The Force Theme", too. It has to, really.

Also, his name is SHEEV. No third "e" (which makes it a bonafide Prequel name really). GOD GUYS. GET IT RIGHT.

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I think we all knew deep down that Episodes VII-IX would happen someday. George was always gonna go back on that because $$$ just like he's gone back on a lot of other things he's said over the years because $$$. To me it was just like an official OOT restoration. It was gonna happen eventually, it was simply a matter of when.

The real shocker was that it ended up happening so soon (barely a decade after the last movie) and under these circumstances (Lucasfilm getting bought out by Disney). I would've thought that by the time Jedi's 3D version arrived in theaters in 2017 we'd be hearing about an ST coming our way in 2021 or something, probably shot in native 3D since George is crazy about digital and would want to one-up Avatar. My thinking was that the 3D I-VI would be the '97 SE to the ST's PT, if you follow my analogy. The only difference is that George would hire other directors and screenwriters and stick to just writing the story and producing.

By that point the live-action show set between the PT and OT (haha, remember all these things that were gonna happen?!) would've finally gotten off the ground and they could make little connections (think TNG while Star Trek V and VI were coming out, or Enterprise with Nemesis) and start "ramping up" to Episode VII in the 40 years later EU books (no EU reboot, Chewie would still be dead).

When that out-of-the-blue announcement happened almost two years ago (and I'll never forget how I got the news), one of my first thoughts was "they're saving Star Wars from its own creator." GL got his independence from Hollywood back in the day, and that was a good thing ... for a time. Then we got the SE and the PT the GOUT. I'm not saying those same things never could've happened had Star Wars been another Hollywood-owned franchise, but c'mon, they most likely wouldn't have. How many times had I thought "man, if this massive franchise wasn't owned by its creator, we'd have a restored OOT by now."

Sure, it was sad to see George "sell out" to Hollywood, but in many ways he'd sold out long ago. Besides, someone here had an Orson Welles quote in their sig that summed it up pretty well: "The absence of limitations is the enemy of art." It's that tug of war between the studio and the filmmakers that produces something neither would've gotten on their own. That's Star Wars, that's Empire Strikes Back and, hopefully, that'll be Episode VII.

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@ Catbus...don't be so pessimistic man. I find it sad that the Star Wars universe is dead to you...there's so much awesome material there and you're missing out...okay, so you don't like the prequels..try the books, video games, or TV shows  then..watch the Clone Wars episode "The Lawless" and try not to tell me how bad ass and adult oriented it is...we got mandalorians and sith going to war here! It's awesome!

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Tyrphanax said:

Also, his name is SHEEV. No third "e" (which makes it a bonafide Prequel name really). GOD GUYS. GET IT RIGHT.

Same difference. 

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imperialscum said:

Bingowings said:

As we have explored before opinions can be wrong (only Americans seem to think this is impossible). One may hold the opinion that the sun goes around the moon, it would be a wrong opinion.

Well I guess you just haven't explored it properly then.

Even the very example you provided goes horribly against your argument. The sun goes around the moon. It all depends on where you put the reference frame.

 This post is hilarious.