Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 36

Ryan McAvoy said:

It featured riots, fireworks, flybys, stormtroopers being attacked, giant statues being toppled and "Wesa free!". There is a heavy implication that the Empire has fallen in the "official" cuts that most people are now sadly familiar with, there is no such suggestion of that in the OUT. Plus as I said all the old EU stuff about the fall of the Empire backed up the Lucas approved line that that was what you saw at the end of ROTJ SE.

 Are you fucking serious?!?  Statues of what?  And he stuck JarJar in there?  And nobody stopped him?  What an absolute tragedy.

Thank the Maker I never had the stomach for ROTJ-SE after seeing SW97 & ESB97.

EDIT: BTW, robed chrometrooper looks dope, admittedly.

They could remove the celebrations from future special editions.

Darth Id said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

It featured riots, fireworks, flybys, stormtroopers being attacked, giant statues being toppled and "Wesa free!". There is a heavy implication that the Empire has fallen in the "official" cuts that most people are now sadly familiar with, there is no such suggestion of that in the OUT. Plus as I said all the old EU stuff about the fall of the Empire backed up the Lucas approved line that that was what you saw at the end of ROTJ SE.

 Are you fucking serious?!? 

Yes, he is.

Statues of what?

Of people, unfortunately.

And he stuck JarJar in there?

Technically, no.

And nobody stopped him?

Not that we're aware of.

What an absolute tragedy.

Yes.

Thank the Maker I never had the stomach for ROTJ-SE after seeing SW97 & ESB97.

Isn't George Lucas the maker here? ;)

darklordoftech said:

They could remove the celebrations from future special editions.

 I never thought about it until now, but because each updated edition of Star Wars becomes official canon, they could just release the OOT as the latest edition and it would be official canon again. All continuity problems solved. :)

Is that a yellow lightsaber I see? *swoon*

That painting matches Badass Digest's description of the ice planet looking like the other side of The Wall in Game of Thrones.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Is that a yellow lightsaber I see? *swoon*

*swoon seconded*

timdiggerm said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Is that a yellow lightsaber I see? *swoon*

 I knew you would say that!

Lair! You didn't see that *swoon* coming at all! 

I thought that was Harrison Ford at first glance as well but mostly because of the clothing!  However, he really doesn't look anything like Harrison Ford if you look at other pictures of him or watch him on TV.  He may very well be Han and Leia's son, though.

If I squint, he does resemble Harrison. The head shape, hairdo, clothing, and fairly big nose all resemble Han Solo's at first glance.

I keep trying to look at that picture to gauge whether or not he could plausibly play the son of Han & Leia, but the "SON, MEN DON'T GET RAPED" thing at the corner keeps distracting me.

One of the lasting and recurring images in Star Wars and ESB is the image of the friends in the Falcon cockpit.

The Falcon reflects Lucas' youth cruising around in cars with his friends.

I believe this will be crucial in re-establishing that same closeness to the characters and building credible friendships between the characters.  

The Falcon, hopefully, is being brought back for more than mere fan service; but as a method for creating that same air of both friendship and commonality of purpose between the characters.  

Furthermore, I believe those scenes really build the notion that these people are on a journey...like a road trip.  Pile into the old beater, barely prepared and take a road trip, get lost, get into a few scuffles before making it to your destination.

The journey was an important Joseph Campbell mythological facet as we all know by now.  The OT and to some extent, ROTJ, ended that.  There were battles but no journeys anymore.  Just cutting from one planet to the next.  

A Star Wars movie without that iconic interior front view of the Falcon cockpit is like a Star Trek film with no Enterprise deck scene.  

SilverWook said:

In many ways, the Falcon is "home" to our heroes as much as the Enterprise is to Kirk and company.

We didn't get enough of the MF in Jedi, and we never got a scene with Han properly reunited with her. Even Star Trek 4 had a homecoming scene. The Klingon Bird of Prey's bridge set changed from Trek III to give the characters that familiar positioning. Kirk would have looked silly sitting on Kruge's high chair.

The ROTJ deleted scenes with anonymous rebels running around in the Falcon is sort of like watching strangers who have moved into your old house.

There is no beloved hunk of junk in the prequels, and the Jedi seem to change ships more than their socks. ;)

 Also in the deleted sandstorm scene from Jedi you can hear Han Solo say something like "hello old girl" just before he goes up the ramp. I don't think they should've cut this scene, or Luke's alternate opening.

The Falcon does have character, though I wonder if it's still going to be as unreliable 30 years on. It would be a bit obvious, but kind of right.

dan76 said:

SilverWook said:

In many ways, the Falcon is "home" to our heroes as much as the Enterprise is to Kirk and company.

We didn't get enough of the MF in Jedi, and we never got a scene with Han properly reunited with her. Even Star Trek 4 had a homecoming scene. The Klingon Bird of Prey's bridge set changed from Trek III to give the characters that familiar positioning. Kirk would have looked silly sitting on Kruge's high chair.

The ROTJ deleted scenes with anonymous rebels running around in the Falcon is sort of like watching strangers who have moved into your old house.

There is no beloved hunk of junk in the prequels, and the Jedi seem to change ships more than their socks. ;)

 Also in the deleted sandstorm scene from Jedi you can hear Han Solo say something like "hello old girl" just before he goes up the ramp. I don't think they should've cut this scene, or Luke's alternate opening.

The Falcon does have character, though I wonder if it's still going to be as unreliable 30 years on. It would be a bit obvious, but kind of right.

That would be great if they've been apart for a while and he's missed his ship, but surely from his perspective he was just at cloud city.

Full disclosure - I am not an expert on Carbon Freezing.

as fun as that stuff is I think it works better if you can't really be sure if Luke is full of himself or he really has planned for everything.

I'd hope that if the Falcon is featured heavily in the new films that they don't repeat the OT by having is constantly breaking down or barely running.

Limited resources? The dude was all cashed up. The rebels payed him off for rescuing the princess so he could pay off Jabba the Hutt and clear his debt but that never happened.