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metastars said:

What about the 1080p version previewed on Youtube here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97nnHjUrLvU

Is it released anywhere?

 Despite that nice-looking clip, there's no such thing as a 1080p version of the Holiday Special. It was shot on video, and will only ever be as good as video-quality resolution...which is not that good.  You can upscale it all you want, and maybe lose a bit less of the original resolution when you rip it to digital, but it's never actually going to be 1080p.  It's really just polishing a turd.

Had it been shot on film, you'd easily be able to go 1080p and even higher on it, because the resolution would be available.  But apart from (most likely) the cartoon segment and the outtake clips from Star Wars, none of it was shot on film stock.

--SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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Well he says "This footage is taken from a VHS digitization of the original 1978 infamous Christmas Holiday Special of the Star Wars franchise. In my own innovative fashion, I've upscaled the first couple of minutes in full 1080p High Definition. (1440x1080 pixels from the original 720x540 copy.)

If this video becomes popular, and if high demand presents itself, I will fully remaster all of the two hour Holiday Special and debut it to the world."

So I guess he just picked up one of the myspleen available SWHS rip and upscaled it... So it's not a brand new source :/

Trying to determine in my point of view which version is the best comparing :

- KCCI Angrysun

- WHIO v1

- WHIO v1 sharpened

- WHIO v2 (US / FR)

- Zion Hybrid

- Gormaanda Hybrid

- TF1

This site tried to compare some :

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2013/10/04/Star-Wars-Holiday-Special-New-Recording

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metastars said:

Trying to determine in my point of view which version is the best comparing :

 What's TF1?

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Ah. Danke!

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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Here's my opinion, quality wise

1- Zion Hybrid (good colors, few interferences, pretty sharp)

2- Gormaanda Hybrid (too light, some sharp)

3- WHIO v2 (US / FR) (little to no interferences)

4- WHIO v1 sharpened

5- WHIO v1 remastered (bad deinterlacing)

6- KCCI Angrysun (too dark and some interferences)

7- TF1 (high resolution but very blurry)

In the end I think the highest quality may be attained by :

- using WHIO v2 videos

- setting it to Zion Hybrid colors/luminosity

- sharpening the result to be on par or be better than Zion Hybrid

- making a US/Spain/Rifftrax/French (adding the missing passages in english for the french one) version

- using the HD cartoon part that was remade

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metastars said:


7- TF1 (high resolution but very blurry)

Where did you find this copy? The French audio track on the second WHIO disc came from the only source of the French broadcast that I could find and the video quality was terrible.

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Tasjo said:

metastars said:


7- TF1 (high resolution but very blurry)

Where did you find this copy? The French audio track on the second WHIO disc came from the only source of the French broadcast that I could find and the video quality was terrible.

Indeed; I have a SECAM VHS copy (the Star Waves one that was sold on eBay at one point) which I had a friend in Germany dump to digital for me, but the quality is pretty poor. Also, the beginning segment which was probably cut off in the original broadcast recording has been replaced with obviously different footage taken from an American broadcast.

Has a better copy of this turned up somewhere?

--SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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My french audio track is different from yours for sure . It's louder and is mono the first few seconds.

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I just got a copy of the SWHS from a broadcast master in france. However, it is cut. It's not the full show. Is it worth sharing?

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digitalfreaknyc said:

I just got a copy of the SWHS from a broadcast master in france. However, it is cut. It's not the full show. Is it worth sharing?

Absolutely and 100%!  The French cut may be shorter, but it's unique and may be the most "tolerable" cut of the HS there is.

ZOMG

When you say it's cut, you mean it's edited down, right?

--SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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I'm sorry if this has been asked before. Are there any plans to create a "Zion Hybrid"-esque edition using the recent 1st gen VHS preservation? Thanks.

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SKot said:



digitalfreaknyc said:

I just got a copy of the SWHS from a broadcast master in france. However, it is cut. It's not the full show. Is it worth sharing?


Absolutely and 100%!  The French cut may be shorter, but it's unique and may be the most "tolerable" cut of the HS there is.

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When you say it's cut, you mean it's edited down, right?

--SKot


Correct. I believe it's just over an hour.

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AntcuFaalb said:

I'm sorry if this has been asked before. Are there any plans to create a "Zion Hybrid"-esque edition using the recent 1st gen VHS preservation? Thanks.

 Seconded.  Just can't live without the Star Wars disco music on the menu.

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SKot said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

I just got a copy of the SWHS from a broadcast master in france. However, it is cut. It's not the full show. Is it worth sharing?

Absolutely and 100%!  The French cut may be shorter, but it's unique and may be the most "tolerable" cut of the HS there is.

 That image is the best thing I've seen on the internet this week.

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I think we could have 2 versions of SWHS :

- the short cut 72min (as it aired in France)

- the long cut 97min (without any publicities)

We should use :

- WHIO v2 videos (unless a better source comes out)

- setting it to Zion Hybrid colors/luminosity

- sharpening the result to be on par or be better than Zion Hybrid

- making a US/Spain/Rifftrax/French (adding the missing passages in english for the french one) version

- using the HD remade cartoon part

- adding the publicities in bonus or as a third release

- for the dvd menu maybe we could consider meco starwars disco remix which honestly rocks : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWI2mPREHFQ

Then we could add subtitles in english/spanish/french/... for the main one + french on english passages for the long cut

I personnaly think some mkvs would be better nowadays than ISOs but both could be made.

I think we should start doing this without working on the image sharpness first which should be done in last after a "work" release since it'll require quite some try and errors (but it could be done by someone in the mean time.

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If the French tape is indeed from broadcast masters, then it may be worth cut-and-pasting the two sources together if it can be done so without much trouble (ie, using WHIO v2 to fill in the gaps.)

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Different tastes for different folks, I suppose. I can deal with varying video quality provided the audio doesn't drop, and as I'd be watching in English anyway, that wouldn't be an issue. Just thought I'd give my thoughts.

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metastars said:

I think we could have 2 versions of SWHS :

- the short cut 72min (as it aired in France)

- the long cut 97min (without any publicities)

We should use :

- WHIO v2 videos (unless a better source comes out)

- setting it to Zion Hybrid colors/luminosity

- sharpening the result to be on par or be better than Zion Hybrid

- making a US/Spain/Rifftrax/French (adding the missing passages in english for the french one) version

- using the HD remade cartoon part

- adding the publicities in bonus or as a third release

- for the dvd menu maybe we could consider meco starwars disco remix which honestly rocks : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWI2mPREHFQ

Then we could add subtitles in english/spanish/french/... for the main one + french on english passages for the long cut

I personnaly think some mkvs would be better nowadays than ISOs but both could be made.

I think we should start doing this without working on the image sharpness first which should be done in last after a "work" release since it'll require quite some try and errors (but it could be done by someone in the mean time.

 At this point I have no plan of doing a V3 unless a better source for the commercials surfaces. While the Zion Hybrid is great, it was over sharpened in my opinion. As for matching the color and luminosity, keep in mind that the source for the Zion Hybrid was a second generation copy and the saturation and brightness are not true to the original source because of this. As for the rest of what's listed I think MediaMogul did an excellent job of combining the HD cartoon, rifftrax and Zion menus with the WHIO video.

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Do you have a link forMediaMogul release please?

May you check your private messages please? I'll send you a few questions to try working on it myself.

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Thanks for the compliment Tasjo, it means a lot. I love 'the Star Wars Holiday Special', both honestly and ironically. Every fan made 'Holiday Special' project is truly something extraordinary from the beginning. I mean, the odds against a source for this thing surviving in any reasonable quality for nearly forty years amazes me. Also, the motivation to preserve something that generally challenges popular opinion shows character in my book.

The material lends itself quite nicely to this type of community, as the very idea of how to preserve something of this nature can be a bit polarizing, leading to many varied attempts to do so in new and unique ways. When I put Gormaanda together, the goal was to bring what I considered to be the best elements from the two most popular releases into one package. I too considered splicing the remastered animation and WHIO Kenner toy ad into the WMAR commercials. However, my personal opinion ultimately fell in line with Feallan's. For better or worse, I wanted the viewing experience to feel as seamless as possible, and personally, I found the varying quality to be a distraction.

Where quality is concerned. What should the 'Holiday Special' look like? Forty years later, any conclusion would be truly subjective, right? Well, maybe not. "Legends of the Super Heroes' was a somewhat similar variety show that was produced for NBC not more than a few weeks after the SWHS. To get an idea of what a near-perfectly preserved picture would look like from this time, one needs only to look at the 'Warner Archive' release of this special. What's amazing is that the WHIO V2 source is by far the closest to this quality, without even being touched. Sure, it's a little softer and the colors aren't quite as vivid, but not really by that much. An interesting side note is that The same actor that played Solomon Grundy in LotSH (Mickey Morton), also played Malla, Chewbacca's wife.

The main area that the WHIO source falls shy of a broadcast master tape is in the audio. This is through no fault of Tasjo or even anyone else involved in it's short journey from it's broadcast recording, to it's DVD transfer. Rather it's a byproduct of the generally consistent fact that audio was a second class citizen in most consumer-based video technologies from the past. In this case, consumer-level magnetic tape recordings are generally plagued with low frequency "humming" and high frequency "hissing". Humming noises are mostly found when using cheap recorders and players. Thanks to Tasjo's impeccable taste in hardware, plus what we can only assume was a high-end recorder for the time, low frequency noise pollution is not a problem. Which only leaves us with the almost universally common high frequency "hiss".

Over the past few months, I've corresponded with several audio enthusiasts and even sat down with an audio engineer who has been working since the late 70s, in an effort to learn everything I could about audio repair. What I have learned is that there are two schools of thought regarding this subject. One is practical and the other is commercial. Commercial audio repair doesn't really account for good taste. Most people want a "hiss" gone at any cost to the overall quality of sound, simply because they claim it to be negligible to their perception. The more practical approach realizes and accepts that there is only so much you can do without destroying valuable audio information. This approach is an exercise in economy. Doing as little as possible to gain maximum effect.

This, of course, is all in preparation for a V2 of the Gormaanda hybrid, and I believe that the results have been well worth the extra effort. Speaking directly in regard to my own contributions, while I believe the Rifftrax sync was close enough to perfection, I was never happy with my mix. Mystery Science Theater 3000 is hands down my favorite show of all time. However, most Rifftrax mixes, be they fan-made or from the actual VOD team at Rifftrax, rely too heavily on auto-ducking for my tastes. MST3K was never mixed like that. Over ducking the background audio loses the natural effect of watching the movie with a group of friends, which to me was always part of the charm.

After much investigation as well as an unholy ammount of trial and error, I discovered that the main difference between a MST3K commentary track and a modern Rifftrack commentary track is simply dynamic range. MST3K CTs were recorded with head-worn microphones that captured all sound in an evenly flat volume range. Rifftrax CTs are recorded with the same high-end, stationary equipment used to record podcasts. As such, these mics pic up a range of high and low volumes from the commentators. This becomes problematic with people like Mike Nelson, who delivers much of his comedy under his breath. So, the solution would seem easy; flatten out the highs and lows of their recording into a nice middle ground. There's only one problem. We know what a Rifftrax is supposed to sound like. Removing those highs and lows would sound just as unnatural as over ducking the background audio in an episode of MST3K.

The solution came in the form of a compromise between techniques found in mixing both types of commentary tracks. Highs and lowes were narrowed ever so slightly in the foreground CT, while the upper volume of the background track was restricted from going too high and lastly, auto-ducking was only used to make the foreground audio "pop" from the background. As it now stands, V2 has a 6dB disparity between the foreground and background, whereas V1 had 14dB. Out of those numbers, auto-ducking accounts for only 3 of those dB in V2, while V1 ducked 8dB in total. I am very pleased with the results, as the mix is now almost indistinguishable from that of MST3K, while retaining almost all of the dynamic range found in a Rifftrax commentary.

Well, I've gone on way too long here, but I've followed this thread for some time without saying anything, so I suppose this can count as one or two entries. Again, every fan-made 'Holiday Special' project has a lot going for it in my opinion, based solely on the fortitude it takes to complete the project without cracking after having watched an Amorphian being build a mini transmitter for the two hundredth time. There's something very wrong with all of us for wanting more of this damned thing, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I can't wait to see what you guys have in store for the future. You can look for my V2 closer to Life Day on MySpleen.

So it's goodnight friends. Goodnight, but not goodbye.

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Somehow I completely missed that this Gormaanda Hybrid (v1) had been completed, and it's just what I was looking for.  Thanks to everyone involved--great work all around!

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