STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 393

I agree.. that works quite well.  I think if there were any more changes I would still have Ben turn his sabre on after Vader does, and I would delete the dramatic music when Ben starts to lift his sabre for his sacrifice.  I always remembered and loved that silence right before Vader makes his swing.. it would also give the sad tune more time to play (as opposed to being shoe horned between the dramatic que and the "Luke responds" que).

I seem to be in the minority here, but I'd change the Ben's hut scene back to the theatrical version.

But yes, I like the version of the Vader/Ben duel with the choir-less music. It seems to fit better. I honestly do hope that Ady includes an optional audio track that has the music in it, since I've grown to expect to hear it now when watching ANH, since ANH:R has been my go-to version for so long now.

muddyknees2000 said:

I got used to it quite quickly and prefer it to the theatrical version now.

 Even with having watched ANH:R far more often than the DVD or blu-ray versions, I just can't get used to it. It will always feel off to me. Ironically, now I have the tools necessary to fix it for myself, I just haven't done it yet.

The Hut scene will be the rearranged version in ANH:R HD, with a few new minor tweaks. Seemless branching compatibility is sporadic at best on consumer player with non-commercial discs/ authoring software. Even less with Blu-Ray. And for an mkv release, seemless branching is not even an option. And there is no way i am going to be doing multiple versions this time around.

Skippy The Jedi Droid said:

All of you probably remember this scene where the Tie Fighter explodes:

Did you ever wish that this explosion would have been the Death Star explosion. I did. It looks much more realistic and bigger and cooler and... and... well... yeah :D

It's funny how that little Tie Fighter could explode like that and Death Star's explosion looked so tame compared to it.

 I believe I mentioned this earlier in the thread but was shot down due to issues of perspective, but yeah I still agree

regularjoe said:

I'm really glad to hear that the next version has the repaired version of the scene.  One is able argue either way for the flow of the structure of the scene based on how it is played out, for me the issue is continuity.  As a twelve year old kid I was noticing that C3PO's behavior was not consistent throughout the scene and it has always been a speed bump watching the scene.

 My main issue with the scene is how it makes Obi Wan appear in his intentions.

In the theatrical cut, Obi Wan plays catch up with Luke before checking out the message from Leia. In Ady's version (which restores the edit to how it was scripted), Obi Wan plays the message first, then butters Luke up with the intention to talk him into joining him.

To me, this makes it seem that his small talk with Luke is manipulative, and that he only wants to hustle Luke into helping him, if that makes sense.

In the theatrical cut, with the small talk coming first, it makes it feel more like Obi Wan is genuinely interested in catching up with Luke before getting to business with R2-D2. To me, this makes Obi Wan seem like a true friend to Luke, since he had no ulterior motive to make him want to have a friendly talk.

I don't know if the way I'm explaining it makes sense, as I've tried to tell others why I prefer the theatrical edit to Ady's in this one instance, but it's rare that anyone seems to agree with me on my reasons.

If I had Adywan's talents, I would rather attempt to fix the continuity of C-3PO without changing the edit of the scene, rather than change it back to the script version. Unfortunately, that is not within my skills as an editor.

Okay, just wanted to throw in my two cents on this topic. Thanks for reading.

oh_riginal said:

To me, this makes it seem that his small talk with Luke is manipulative, and that he only wants to hustle Luke into helping him, if that makes sense.

That does fit in well with his whole "make up a story about your dad killing your dad so you'll hate your dad and want to fight him" thing

oh_riginal said:

regularjoe said:

I'm really glad to hear that the next version has the repaired version of the scene.  One is able argue either way for the flow of the structure of the scene based on how it is played out, for me the issue is continuity.  As a twelve year old kid I was noticing that C3PO's behavior was not consistent throughout the scene and it has always been a speed bump watching the scene.

 My main issue with the scene is how it makes Obi Wan appear in his intentions.

In the theatrical cut, Obi Wan plays catch up with Luke before checking out the message from Leia. In Ady's version (which restores the edit to how it was scripted), Obi Wan plays the message first, then butters Luke up with the intention to talk him into joining him.

To me, this makes it seem that his small talk with Luke is manipulative, and that he only wants to hustle Luke into helping him, if that makes sense.

In the theatrical cut, with the small talk coming first, it makes it feel more like Obi Wan is genuinely interested in catching up with Luke before getting to business with R2-D2. To me, this makes Obi Wan seem like a true friend to Luke, since he had no ulterior motive to make him want to have a friendly talk.

I don't know if the way I'm explaining it makes sense, as I've tried to tell others why I prefer the theatrical edit to Ady's in this one instance, but it's rare that anyone seems to agree with me on my reasons.

If I had Adywan's talents, I would rather attempt to fix the continuity of C-3PO without changing the edit of the scene, rather than change it back to the script version. Unfortunately, that is not within my skills as an editor.

Okay, just wanted to throw in my two cents on this topic. Thanks for reading.

I think you've got Obi-Wans motivations right.
But he isn't Lukes old friend. He's been waiting to get Luke involved since his birth. That's why he's hiding on Tatooine. So the way Ady has the scene play out makes perfect sense to me.
Obi-Wan is a bit manipulative. That's why Luke isn't sure who to trust by the end of ESB. Luke even calls Obi-Wan out on it in ROTJ.

ray_afraid said:

oh_riginal said:

regularjoe said:

I'm really glad to hear that the next version has the repaired version of the scene.  One is able argue either way for the flow of the structure of the scene based on how it is played out, for me the issue is continuity.  As a twelve year old kid I was noticing that C3PO's behavior was not consistent throughout the scene and it has always been a speed bump watching the scene.

 My main issue with the scene is how it makes Obi Wan appear in his intentions.

In the theatrical cut, Obi Wan plays catch up with Luke before checking out the message from Leia. In Ady's version (which restores the edit to how it was scripted), Obi Wan plays the message first, then butters Luke up with the intention to talk him into joining him.

To me, this makes it seem that his small talk with Luke is manipulative, and that he only wants to hustle Luke into helping him, if that makes sense.

In the theatrical cut, with the small talk coming first, it makes it feel more like Obi Wan is genuinely interested in catching up with Luke before getting to business with R2-D2. To me, this makes Obi Wan seem like a true friend to Luke, since he had no ulterior motive to make him want to have a friendly talk.

I don't know if the way I'm explaining it makes sense, as I've tried to tell others why I prefer the theatrical edit to Ady's in this one instance, but it's rare that anyone seems to agree with me on my reasons.

If I had Adywan's talents, I would rather attempt to fix the continuity of C-3PO without changing the edit of the scene, rather than change it back to the script version. Unfortunately, that is not within my skills as an editor.

Okay, just wanted to throw in my two cents on this topic. Thanks for reading.

I think you've got Obi-Wans motivations right.
But he isn't Lukes old friend. He's been waiting to get Luke involved since his birth. That's why he's hiding on Tatooine. So the way Ady has the scene play out makes perfect sense to me.
Obi-Wan is a bit manipulative. That's why Luke isn't sure who to trust by the end of ESB. Luke even calls Obi-Wan out on it in ROTJ.

 He comes off as manipulative either way, from a trilogy standpoint. My issue is that he comes off as OBVIOUSLY manipulative, to the point that I don't like Obi Wan as soon as the hut scene has concluded. I know this may sound strange coming from someone who has seen the movie countless times, but it's true.

To me, it's like seeing a kid getting hustled in the street. I want someone to come and tell Luke "hey, don't listen to this guy, he just wants to use you."

I didn't get this feeling from the original edit. To me it went like this (in a way):

Obi Wan: Hey, I knew your dad! I don't want to get into it, but we used to be good friends. Hey, want this lightsaber? You ever heard of the Force?

Then they watch Leia's message...

Obi Wan: Well, I'm an old man. I'm gonna need help to save her. Let's go!

Luke: No.

Obi Wan: Well hey, I understand. Gotta listen to your instincts. Even if they belong to your uncle.

In the other edit, it plays like this to me:

Obi Wan: You're lucky I showed up to help you. Let's check out this video then you can be on your way.

Then they watch Leia's message...

Obi Wan: Hmm... so, hey buddy, check out this lightsaber. Want some candy to go with that? The Force will make you the ultimate badass. I should know, I was a Jedi before too. So was your dad. Like father, like son, right? Yeah... so anyway, I need you to come to Alderaan.

Luke: No.

Obi Wan: Oh, that's just your uncle talking. Whatever.

I said it before, I'm in the minority for preferring the scene as originally released. Even if Obi Wan IS manipulative to a degree, I never felt like he was NOT a friend to Luke, even if he lied to him. The rearranged edit changes that for me, unfortunately. It's a small detail, but one that affects me across a trilogy. A far more extreme example would be Han shooting Greedo, then changed by Lucas to Greedo shooting first. To me, this edit is like that, but less obvious to most people. Everything else in ANH:R works as close to perfect as possible, though.

oh_riginal said:

ray_afraid said:

oh_riginal said:

regularjoe said:

I'm really glad to hear that the next version has the repaired version of the scene.  One is able argue either way for the flow of the structure of the scene based on how it is played out, for me the issue is continuity.  As a twelve year old kid I was noticing that C3PO's behavior was not consistent throughout the scene and it has always been a speed bump watching the scene.

 My main issue with the scene is how it makes Obi Wan appear in his intentions.

In the theatrical cut, Obi Wan plays catch up with Luke before checking out the message from Leia. In Ady's version (which restores the edit to how it was scripted), Obi Wan plays the message first, then butters Luke up with the intention to talk him into joining him.

To me, this makes it seem that his small talk with Luke is manipulative, and that he only wants to hustle Luke into helping him, if that makes sense.

In the theatrical cut, with the small talk coming first, it makes it feel more like Obi Wan is genuinely interested in catching up with Luke before getting to business with R2-D2. To me, this makes Obi Wan seem like a true friend to Luke, since he had no ulterior motive to make him want to have a friendly talk.

I don't know if the way I'm explaining it makes sense, as I've tried to tell others why I prefer the theatrical edit to Ady's in this one instance, but it's rare that anyone seems to agree with me on my reasons.

If I had Adywan's talents, I would rather attempt to fix the continuity of C-3PO without changing the edit of the scene, rather than change it back to the script version. Unfortunately, that is not within my skills as an editor.

Okay, just wanted to throw in my two cents on this topic. Thanks for reading.

I think you've got Obi-Wans motivations right.
But he isn't Lukes old friend. He's been waiting to get Luke involved since his birth. That's why he's hiding on Tatooine. So the way Ady has the scene play out makes perfect sense to me.
Obi-Wan is a bit manipulative. That's why Luke isn't sure who to trust by the end of ESB. Luke even calls Obi-Wan out on it in ROTJ.

 He comes off as manipulative either way, from a trilogy standpoint. My issue is that he comes off as OBVIOUSLY manipulative, to the point that I don't like Obi Wan as soon as the hut scene has concluded. I know this may sound strange coming from someone who has seen the movie countless times, but it's true.

To me, it's like seeing a kid getting hustled in the street. I want someone to come and tell Luke "hey, don't listen to this guy, he just wants to use you."

I didn't get this feeling from the original edit. To me it went like this (in a way):

Obi Wan: Hey, I knew your dad! I don't want to get into it, but we used to be good friends. Hey, want this lightsaber? You ever heard of the Force?

Then they watch Leia's message...

Obi Wan: Well, I'm an old man. I'm gonna need help to save her. Let's go!

Luke: No.

Obi Wan: Well hey, I understand. Gotta listen to your instincts. Even if they belong to your uncle.

In the other edit, it plays like this to me:

Obi Wan: You're lucky I showed up to help you. Let's check out this video then you can be on your way.

Then they watch Leia's message...

Obi Wan: Hmm... so, hey buddy, check out this lightsaber. Want some candy to go with that? The Force will make you the ultimate badass. I should know, I was a Jedi before too. So was your dad. Like father, like son, right? Yeah... so anyway, I need you to come to Alderaan.

Luke: No.

Obi Wan: Oh, that's just your uncle talking. Whatever.

I said it before, I'm in the minority for preferring the scene as originally released. Even if Obi Wan IS manipulative to a degree, I never felt like he was NOT a friend to Luke, even if he lied to him. The rearranged edit changes that for me, unfortunately. It's a small detail, but one that affects me across a trilogy. A far more extreme example would be Han shooting Greedo, then changed by Lucas to Greedo shooting first. To me, this edit is like that, but less obvious to most people. Everything else in ANH:R works as close to perfect as possible, though.

 See, I look at is from an overall POV (this means including the prequels), and basically I think Obi-Wan is a dick all through. He's a dick to Qui Gon, he's a dick to Anakin, he's a dick to Yoda, he pretty much single handedly started the Clone Wars, so in keeping with his character he pretty much needs to be a dick to Luke.  The guy is a government...ahem, Jedi council...spy and assassin.  He's not a nice guy.  This is why it works better Ady's way.  The one good thing he does in his life is to sacrifice himself for the greater good, a concept I think he just got a grip on when Alderaan was destroyed.

I understand your point, oh_riginal. I also like to think that Obi-Wan would spend the time catching up with Luke before diving into other important matters.

So now, with how it's rearranged in Revisited, I imagine it as they had already spent the time catching up - some in the speeder and even more in the hut, all the way until he says "Now, let's see what you are, my little friend".

adywan said:

The Hut scene will be the rearranged version in ANH:R HD, with a few new minor tweaks.

You have me interested and curious :) Perhaps one of the tweaks is altering "Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough..." to instead be "Your father would have wanted you to have this when you were old enough..." or "I wanted you to have this when you were old enough...".