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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 130

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KilroyMcFadden said:

Do androids dream of electric sheep?

 Only if they eat electric cheese.

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I highly doubt ROTJ would be much different film in its core. After all it was still Lucas who was creative director behind ESB and ROTJ...I think in its core ROTJ would be the same whether Lucas stayed at home during principal photography or ran around the sets. He may let Kershner freely direct actors in ESB, but he didn't let him do any major changes to what he cooked up in the pre-production. So as you said, there would probably be clashes if Kershner tried to change anything for ROTJ which would probably have negative effect on the film. Those who think Ewoks would not be in the film are just naive.


Kersh did say, though, that he would never have shown Vader's/Anakin's face in ROTJ. I think that would have been a mistake.

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Easterhay said:

Kersh did say, though, that he would never have shown Vader's/Anakin's face in ROTJ. I think that would have been a mistake.

 I remember reading that interview with Kersh where he talks about ROTJ.  Kersh just had a whole different idea where the movies should go, and that is why he never would have shown Vader's face.

His argument was that the mystery of something is much more powerful then when you actually show it.  He was essentially saying the Prequels should never be made for that reason too.

There was a mystery about Darth Vader, and once you unmask him in ROTJ, or once you show his backstory in the PT, everything is out there and you risk allienating fans who don't ever look at Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker the same. 

Now of course Lucas wanted to put a face on Vader to show he was human, and that is essentially the point of ROTJ, but I do see Kersh's broad view of the movies, that sometimes less is more.

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I think it was essential to show Vader's face at the end - to not have done that would have been a cop out and Sebastian Shaw's scene does bring closure to the story of Anakin. As you say, that was the whole point of ROTJ. And the notion that fans would never look at Vader quite the same again...well, again, that was the point.

I think it's a stretch to say that Kersh was saying the prequels shouldn't have been made, though. After all, he'd directed a film whose subtitle was Episode V - he must have known that Lucas would, at some point, make films beyond the original trilogy.

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Easterhay said:

Kersh did say, though, that he would never have shown Vader's/Anakin's face in ROTJ. I think that would have been a mistake.

As I said, I doubt that would be up to him. He might suggest it to change the scene but I doubt Lucas would agree.

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Hopefully the cinematographers style is tamed a bit.  I like Mindel's stuff but the lens flares and frenzied fast shaky cam is kind of not my cup of tea.

Less like Amazing Spider-man 2 or Star Trek Into Darkness.  More like the first three star wars made in the seventies and eighties.

I also hope Williams is inspired to write a good score.  Not a bad pastiche of the originals. The same romantic style of music but not bored phoned in stuff.

Hopefully the movie makes more than Crystal Skull or at least close to what that film earned.

and Hopefully a return to greatness unlike that film.

Only Harrison Ford looked too old in 2008 so how old will Han Solo be?

Will they use the actors age in the plot but not make it a bad joke.  I wonder.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Hopefully the cinematographers style is tamed a bit.  I like Mindel's stuff but the lens flares and frenzied fast shaky cam is kind of not my cup of tea.

Less like Amazing Spider-man 2 or Star Trek Into Darkness.  More like the first three star wars made in the seventies and eighties.

I think that was more Webb and Abrams than anyone else. Savages and John Carter, shot by Mindel for other directors, have none of those attributes.

Anyway, it looks like Dennis Lawson isn't coming back:

http://badassdigest.com/2014/05/12/wedge-antilles-to-star-wars-episode-vii-drop-dead/

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Mindel certainly knows his craft but I haven't seen anything by him that has wowed me. Then again, none of the Star Wars films have especially noteworthy cinematography.

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Fang Zei said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Hopefully the cinematographers style is tamed a bit.  I like Mindel's stuff but the lens flares and frenzied fast shaky cam is kind of not my cup of tea.

Less like Amazing Spider-man 2 or Star Trek Into Darkness.  More like the first three star wars made in the seventies and eighties.

I think that was more Webb and Abrams than anyone else. Savages and John Carter, shot by Mindel for other directors, have none of those attributes.

Anyway, it looks like Dennis Lawson isn't coming back:

http://badassdigest.com/2014/05/12/wedge-antilles-to-star-wars-episode-vii-drop-dead/

 

 Holy misleading headline, Batman! He never said drop dead. I wish sites like that would report the news, and spare us the editorializing. My college journalism prof would have bopped me on the head for writing stuff like that. The original slashfilm article is way better.

Would Lawson really tell us he's doing the movie if it's a surprise? ;)

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SilverWook said:

Fang Zei said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Hopefully the cinematographers style is tamed a bit.  I like Mindel's stuff but the lens flares and frenzied fast shaky cam is kind of not my cup of tea.

Less like Amazing Spider-man 2 or Star Trek Into Darkness.  More like the first three star wars made in the seventies and eighties.

I think that was more Webb and Abrams than anyone else. Savages and John Carter, shot by Mindel for other directors, have none of those attributes.

Anyway, it looks like Dennis Lawson isn't coming back:

http://badassdigest.com/2014/05/12/wedge-antilles-to-star-wars-episode-vii-drop-dead/

 

 Holy misleading headline, Batman! He never said drop dead. I wish sites like that would report the news, and spare us the editorializing. My college journalism prof would have bopped me on the head for writing stuff like that. The original slashfilm article is way better.

Which is exactly why he's teaching journalism ;)

But yeah, I'm tired of click-baiting headlines as well.

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First image from the set:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnu3ZS9IgAAIaYj.jpg

Why does no one know how to use the Star Wars font? You don't use the serifs unless you're connecting letters.

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It was pretty fluid in the early years, so I don't think the "rules" are set in stone.

Hope we see some shots of the cast in costume soon. Besides Chewie that is. ;)

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And you only connect the first two characters on the top row and the last two on the bottom row.

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I have to say, I'm happy at how forthcoming they've been with information so far.  Particularly at such an early stage.  Cast announced as soon as it was certain, picture from the read-through, and now a picture from the first day. 

No complaints here on their connection to the fans so far.  Abrams knows this is a very big deal.

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 Do we need to see Salacious Crumb again? No. Do we need to see Lobot? No.

But Wedge was in all three of the original films!

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I don't want everyone who was in all three films to be in all three films. That would just be stupid. I hate universe shrinkage. It started with ESB and hasn't stopped.

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Anchorhead said:

I have to say, I'm happy at how forthcoming they've been with information so far.  Particularly at such an early stage.  Cast announced as soon as it was certain, picture from the read-through, and now a picture from the first day. 

No complaints here on their connection to the fans so far.  Abrams knows this is a very big deal.

Agree with you completely there. So far they're doing everything right. JJ's one of the best at film-making secrecy, but he's allowing just the right teases at the right time. It really helps knowing that he has expressed being a SW fanboy of the OT ever since being a kid, so I believe he knows what's good (and what isn't) and what it takes to capture the SW magic again.

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 I'll say again, I hope they don't just shoehorn in every character from the OT. 

I like Lawson, I like Wedge. I don't need him in an adventure 30 years later.

I understand your concern, but I think if they did it just right, Wedge wouldn't necessarily have felt shoe-horned in the ST (same with Lando, if they include him again). Wedge had some fairly big roles in the OT, so it'd be interesting to see what's happened to him after all these years. He could play a general, just a very minor role who isn't in every ST episode (just like General Rieeken) - you either know it's him or you don't. Of course though it all depends on the story, if a character like his is needed or not. But since he isn't interested in reprising the role, that's that.

Edit: Maybe not, but what if Lawson is simply misleading us just for the sake of throwing us fans off? Actors can do that. Just a thought.

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I guess I don't mind some of the universe shrinkage, I always imagined the coincidences are manifestations of the will of the Force.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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RicOlie_2 said:

I don't want everyone who was in all three films to be in all three films. That would just be stupid. I hate universe shrinkage. It started with ESB and hasn't stopped.

 Having Wedge in the ST isn't universe shrinking. If they were to reveal that death sticks guy from AOTC had since cleaned up his act and was a high ranking officer in the New Republic, THAT's universe shrinkage.

Wedge played an integral part in the Galactic Civil War and was there every step of the way with Luke and the rest of them. So it's completely within reason that he could still be around in some capacity.

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lovelikewinter said:

I guess I don't mind some of the universe shrinkage, I always imagined the coincidences are manifestations of the will of the Force.

Ach du lieber! Not the "Forcedidit" explanation again! *wilhelmscream*

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doubleofive said:

First image from the set:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnu3ZS9IgAAIaYj.jpg


 I see Carrie is already on set.

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I kid!

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Geez! I knew I should have bet on someone making a drug joke.

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