KilroyMcFadden said:
If I'm making assumptions about things that happened off screen, it's that Yoda figured out that Jedi Master Lucas was making shit up when he scienced up some bullshit explanation about how the force works.
I'm not trying to defend Georgy or midocolorians or any of that crap. I'm just pointing out how damaged the franchise has become and that future films in the series have to deal with these things being real in that world. Sure, they can (and should) just ignore them, but the galaxy far, far away just isn't as cool as it was in '77. There's so much bogging that world down now.
Harmy said:
I don't know, looking at the scene now, it doesn't make much sense in the progression of the conversation - maybe I assumed that, exactly because I thought he couldn't be talking about Luke and it seemed to fit Anakin (even as described in the OT) and Yoda mentioned him before.
Huh, I never got that impression. When Yoda says he looked to the horizon, I pictured Yoda watching Luke's sunset gazing on the farm and his failure to recognize the significance of the droids.
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Laserschwert said:
Harmy said:
I think the Falcon would have been donated to some war museum
I can already see the climactic battle inside the museum, where the bad guy escapes...
"Oh no, he's getting away!" - "Wait, isn't that the old ship I used to fly?" - "It sure is, gramps... let's go!"
... and the good guys crash the Falcon out of its display box (or display hangar) to go after him.
Didn't the Battlestar Galactica reboot series do that already though? ;)
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imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
we just didn't see it happen.
If we don't see it than it didn't happen, as simple as that.
Ah, the George Lucas school of thought! You must love all the prequel ship landing and taking off scenes.
TV's Frink said:
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
we just didn't see it happen.
If we don't see it than it didn't happen, as simple as that.
Ah, the George Lucas school of thought! You must love all the prequel ship landing and taking off scenes.
The "equivalent" you proposed is completely invalid, and quite dumb if I may add. In ESB we already have a scene especially designed to show the audience Yoda's explanation of the Force to Luke. So the scene is already there. Why on Earth would you assume Yoda had another but completely different explanation of the same thing off-screen?
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i cant stand that midiclorian shit. Enough was said about the force in ANH by obiwan and ESB by yoda. The PT should of echoed that but instead its jedi hopefulls having to have a to have a tourniquet wrapped around their upper arm and having blood drawn to be analyzed by some sort of midiclornometer.
"There's no cluster of midiclorians that controls my destiny!" -Han Solo, from a future revision of ANH
imperialscum said:
Well I don't mind seeing some stuff introduced in the prequels (planets, double-bladed lightsabre etc.)
There's no need to mention midichlorians in the sequels. (Why do I think of pool supplies every time I see that word?) A Jedi can sense if someone is strong in the Force, without a blood test. George only brought that in to reinforce Anakin as the "chosen one".
Luke has probably found and trained a bunch of new Jedi since ROTJ. His earliest students can be training new recruits by now.
If anything, the PT references can simply be visual. A portrait of Padme on a wall. Rusted battledroids on a long forgotten battlefield, along with skeletal Clone Trooper remains. Jar Jar Binks' tombstone.
Okay, the last one was wishful thinking, but you get the idea. ;)
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Hoth-Nudist said:
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Tobar said:
cain spaans said:
Well the marvel Star Wars comics are really just a blur now but what if some of the continuity in these new movies could be based after the events in those comics from 1977 to 1985.
The Marvel comics were pretty great up until the release of ROTJ and then...
Speak for yourself. The post-Jedi Marvel stuff is my favorite Star Wars ANYTHING after the original films. :)
imperialscum said:
TV's Frink said:
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
we just didn't see it happen.
If we don't see it than it didn't happen, as simple as that.
Ah, the George Lucas school of thought! You must love all the prequel ship landing and taking off scenes.
The "equivalent" you proposed is completely invalid, and quite dumb if I may add.
No you may not.
Can/will they go back to the Force as a mysterious and often unseen ability? In the OT, it was an amazing thing which took great concentration for YODA to lift the X-Wing. Lifting and moving stuff or otherwise behaving magically was uncommon. When Han Solo doubted Obi Wan, George didn't make Obi Wan levitate things. When Luke brought the door down on the Rancor, it was not by Force powers. We can retcon/justify why these things were: Obi Wan didn't feel like he had to prove anything nor cheapen his powers that way; Luke was still learning and wasn't at the point the instinctively reach for the Force. But it seems to me, George's conception of the Force was simply radically different from the video game super heroes Jedi have become. The most overt displays were made by Vader (throwing stuff around in ESB) and the Emperor (finger-lightning). Otherwise, Luke was "most impressive" for jumping. I can only imagine how many contemporary Star Wars fans would be disappointed if lightsabers and super powers weren't being brandished so much.
The blue elephant in the room.
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
we just didn't see it happen.
If we don't see it than it didn't happen, as simple as that. If we started to claim something that is not seen in the film then one could claim, with equal weight, that Luke had sex with Yoda - we just didn't see it of course.
I don't know about that but his training was pretty involved...
i agree with just ignoring the pt. george cheapened his own creation with that crap, pandering to moron teenagers and their ilk.
actually i bet george would've reconsidered how he did the prequels if he read any of the critical comments with an open mind. i don't see how any sane person couldn't.
DuracellEnergizer said:
imperialscum said:
Well I don't mind seeing some stuff introduced in the prequels (planets, double-bladed lightsabre etc.)
This is a tangent, but I'd just like to clarify that the double-bladed lightsaber is an EU invention, not a PT one. Lucas just lifted it for his own purposes.
One of my friends told me about how pissed he was in the theater when Maul turned out to have a double-bladed lightsaber. Even after I told him that Terry Brooks' novelization makes it clear Maul got the idea from reading about Exar Kun, my friend only took it as Lucas saying to the fans "Oh, yeah, I've got your expanded universe right here" (motions towards crotch). He was also disappointed not to have any mention of spaarti cylinders or Jorus C'Boath in the PT.
That TPM novelization was the beginning of the EU bending over backwards to reconcile the fans' expectations with George's vision. I think it was Cloak of Deception where C'Boath shows up at the Jedi temple. One of the clone wars comics (from '02-'05) explained that it was a crashed Trade Federation ship carrying toxic chemicals that ruined Honoghr. Zahn himself even wrote a clone wars short story around that same time.
Regarding the whole "explanation of the force in the PT and the OT," I don't see how Qui-Gon's midichlorian story to Anakin in TPM contradicts Yoda's talk to Luke in ESB. Qui-Gon simply said "without the midichlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the force," meaning they are the conduit through which the force connects with the living world
Fang Zei said:
Regarding the whole "explanation of the force in the PT and the OT," I don't see how Qui-Gon's midichlorian story to Anakin in TPM contradicts Yoda's talk to Luke in ESB. Qui-Gon simply said "without the midichlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the force," meaning they are the conduit through which the force connects with the living world
Quoted for truth.
It's not a contradiction, but did we really need it to understand The Force? We sure as heck didn't need it in the OT.
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Adywan started a thread about this already, but I thought it was worth posting here also.
According to this, it appears Disney is still planning a Memorial Day release for Ep7. They're yet to say anything official in terms of an actual date, but I think it's worth noting that none of the other studios have set anything big for that weekend either.
Big script news here. Arndt out, Kasdan and Abrams take over. I expect this will delay Episode VII until 2016, soonest Xmas 2015. At least we now know why there's been little in the way of news.
http://www.slashfilm.com/michael-arndt-off-star-wars-episode-vii-j-j-abrams-and-lawrence-kasdan-writing/
Well at least it's not that Demon Lindelof
Isn't it early to start writing a script? Isn't that something you do the week before shooting?
Oh wait, Lucas isn't writing it. ;-)
But seriously, I'm more excited to have Kasdan/Abrams writing it than Ardnt. Gives Kasdan almost a show-runner role for the new trilogy, which is what I think it needs. You know you're making at least 3, make them three parts of a whole, not just three stories.
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Interesting. I wonder if it's to give the old gang, especially Han, a more central role, since the Arndt script couldn't take that participation for granted.
So Arndt's work is not completely put to trash from what I understand. He just stops working from now on and let the other two finishing the script (?)
Not sure if this is good or bad. It's never a great sign to have a lot of writers. (cough... Indy 4... cough)
Don't know anything about this site, but this guy says that Kasdan/Abrams aren't simply rewriting Arndt's script, but that it is a completely different story with different characters.
http://badassdigest.com/2013/10/24/arndt-off-star-wars-vii-kasdan-and-abrams-are-the-new-writers/
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