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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 53

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Ryan McAvoy said:

To me, hearing/seeing the Dreamworks logo says...

"Congratulations you've just paid to see a movie that you were hoping would be really good but which will only mildly disappoint you"

;-)

Where as the Fox Fanfare always comes with the feint suggestion that you may (Despite your brain telling you that it won't) be about to watch a movie with Lightsabers and Pulse Rifles in it ;-)

Funnily enough, John Williams also wrote this theme.

John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/

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Only Alfred Newman composed the Fox fanfare...

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emanswfan said:

Episode VII is officially being shot on 35mm film.

"But if it's not shot in digital, how will they release it in HD?"

Somewhere on the internet, I'm sure this discussion is exploding right now.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Somewhere?

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/star-wars-episode-vii-to-be-shot-on-35mm-film.50014589/

Sure, it's not "OMG! How will it be in HD?!" but in just the first page the level of disappointment is astounding.  Some people actually see shooting in 35 mm as a step back from Ep 2 and 3.  This despite the fact that Ep 2 and 3 will never look better than 1080p (afaik, the cameras used shot in 1080p).

Last comment on the first page says it all :-P

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I am not an expert in film stock, but why not at least do it with 70mm?

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@imperialscum: Because 70mm requires heavy cumbersome equipment and is really expensive.

re TFN: Well, I totally understand these people thinking this. They do after all believe all the crap George tells them about other stuff as well.

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Baronlando said:

Yikes ,TFN has gotten scary.

When was it not scary?

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Where were you in '77?

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I actually think George did a great thing when he shot episodes 2 and 3 digitally - I do think that digital film making is a great thing at the quality level it reached now, because it can be artistically freeing - look at Slumdog Millionaire for example. And in order to get the development started to get to the quality level it reached now, someone had to make that first step and shoot a big budget movie digitally, even though it looked shitty compared to 35mm and will forever be stuck at 1080p.

What I'm really getting at is, that I think that George Lucas did the world of cinema a huge favor, when he made that first step with shooting two of the shittiest big budget Hollywood flicks ever made - it is definitely a much smaller loss than something like Lord of the Rings trilogy being forever stuck to a shitty quality like that.

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Baronlando said:

Yikes ,TFN has gotten scary.

I actually ventured back there after the announcement of Episode 7 just to see what the nutjob SW fans thought to get a good laugh.

First they are all going crazy because their beloved 'Tragedy of Darth Vader' story is gone now that we have Episodes 7,8,9, and they feel betrayed by Lucas selling to Disney to make more movies.  I have to laugh at the irony that they feel betrayed by Lucas, because he has been doing this to this fanbase for years!

Then I got into an argument about the original SW and how beloved it was in 1977, and how it appealed to everyone.  He answered me that it was a 'cult' movie, and then rephrased a 'popular cult movie.'  I never heard that one before, as I don't even think he understands what a cult movie was!  Now Bladerunner was a cult movie, not Star Wars!

The best is to hear the fans now moaning that they will only recognize Episodes 7,8,9 as 'additions' to the SW universe, because the Darth Vader arc is so important to them.  What's ironic is for years they yelled at the OOT fans like myself who wouldn't recognize the PT or Special Editions, and would say, "The Saga is 6 episodes now so deal with it!"

So now I answer them back, "The Saga is now 9 Episodes, so deal with it!"  And they start going crazy telling me to mind my own business and they have a right to recognize what movies they want.


Irony!  Gotta love it!

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SilverWook said:

Baronlando said:

Yikes ,TFN has gotten scary.

When was it not scary?

My very first thought as well.

Honestly, if they weren't so serious, it would be laughable. 

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CO said:

The best is to hear the fans now moaning that they will only recognize Episodes 7,8,9 as 'additions' to the SW universe, because the Darth Vader arc is so important to them.  What's ironic is for years they yelled at the OOT fans like myself who wouldn't recognize the PT or Special Editions, and would say, "The Saga is 6 episodes now so deal with it!"

So now I answer them back, "The Saga is now 9 Episodes, so deal with it!"  And they start going crazy telling me to mind my own business and they have a right to recognize what movies they want.


Irony!  Gotta love it!

It would take forever to find it, but years ago we discussed this very situation;  The PT fans someday being forced to accept change they don't want.  The handful of PT fans who joined in (it seemed like it crossed boards) swore they would never have to. 

They were operating from a position of power.  The PT was current & topical, and the OT had just released in poor quality.  They felt justified in their smug attitudes.  Beyond justified, they had no reason what so ever to even entertain the idea that they may have been wrong. How can you be wrong if you've won?

Star Wars equals huge cash.  On its worst day, it's still a profit maker. There was no way anyone was going to stop at the PT.  Lucas had been saying goodbye to Star Wars for 20 years.  Original fans had literally lived through decades of Lucas' pathological lying.  He could sit with a straight face and blatantly lie about things where we had proof of just the opposite. original Vision, characters, story, number of films, etc, etc.  He's lied about all of it a hundred times over.

Still, the PT fans still stood their ground: Lucas would never lie to them, nor would he ever do them wrong. He was good and pure, they were the winners.

The PT fans had the benefit of being in the moment.  We had the benefit of experience.  All we had to do was wait.

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I think its totally logical to assume all the effects will be cgi since the old ILM practical effects unit is gone.

Sure they could take out the old models and props and create new costumes that would look like aged versions of those in Jedi that will actually fit the age the actors now are.

I hope Luke's costume is Like Nilo- Rodis designed it in Jedi.  I hope he has the same lightsaber hilt and green blade, when animated.

What i am dreading is a totally cgi Millennium Falcon.

Just think there is going to be tons of cgi, shakey cam and lens flares to the point people will think the cgi in Indiana jones IV was tastefully done. Or at least minimalist.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Anchorhead said:

The PT fans had the benefit of being in the moment.  We had the benefit of experience.  All we had to do was wait.

What's even more funny is they are the ones who are criticizing the ST (Before we even know one plot point or who is cast), whereas the OT fans are taking a wait and see attitude (same as we did with the PT.)

The argument from the PT crowd is that we hated the PT before it was even released, and we always hated Lucas, etc.  Which is dead wrong, that many of us gave the PT numerous chances (Movie Theater, DVD, SpikeTV, etc.), but in the end thought they were bad movies.

Now they are the ones who are already criticizing the ST, saying JJ Abrams is a hack, that the story is just tacked on and it will contradict the prophecy from Episode I that Anakin would bring balance to the force.  And they are also taking shots at Hamill, Fisher, and Ford for being old-fogee's and just collecting a check, etc. 

Just like you said, for years they followed Lucas blindly, and now he is doing EXACTLY to them what he did to us.  I do wish that Lucas was able to go back and change some of the PT movies to fit the new ST plot points, as I would love to see them go crazy over that!   LOL!

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To me the biggest divergence is that the new star wars are solely made for money by Disney studio and not the singular vision of one man.

The three new films are not Lucasfilms even if Disney can now slap that label on them because they purchased the trademark to it.

Lucas directed 4 out of the six original movies.

He is not writing or directing anything on these new movies nor will he have any say in their editing or be behind the B camera on set like on Jedi.

This is not the sequel trilogy Lucas would have given us in 2005 had he decided to continue on, nor is it any of the other attempts at having it made.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

To me the biggest divergence is that the new star wars are not the singular vision of one man.

The three new films are not Lucasfilms even if Disney can now slap that label on them because they purchased the trademark to it.

Lucas directed 4 out of the six original movies.

He is not writing or directing anything on these new movies nor will he have any say in their editing or be behind the B camera on set like on Jedi.

This is not the sequel trilogy Lucas would have given us in 2005 had he decided to continue on, nor is it any of the other attempts at having it made.

I whole-heartedly agree, this is why the ST is gonna be fantastic!

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skyjedi2005 said:

This is not the sequel trilogy Lucas would have given us ...

Which is exactly why I'll be seeing it. 

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Anchorhead said:

skyjedi2005 said:

This is not the sequel trilogy Lucas would have given us ...

Which is exactly why I'll be seeing it. 

Like you didn't see the prequels...

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skyjedi2005 said:

To me the biggest divergence is that the new star wars are solely made for money by Disney studio and not the singular vision of one man.

The three new films are not Lucasfilms even if Disney can now slap that label on them because they purchased the trademark to it.

Lucas directed 4 out of the six original movies.

He is not writing or directing anything on these new movies nor will he have any say in their editing or be behind the B camera on set like on Jedi.

This is not the sequel trilogy Lucas would have given us in 2005 had he decided to continue on, nor is it any of the other attempts at having it made.

I have a suspicion that many many will look back on the Prequels with more forgiving eyes after the ST, since despite their catastrophic flaws, they are still the movies that Lucas wanted and made, not the movies that a company thought that the public would want. He took a stand and said something about corrupt political leaders and a hero with a tragic flaw, even if the movies had a botched execution.

I'm dreading the appearance of the Millennium Falcon, Han Solo, and dozens of other universe-shrinking callbacks in the Sequels. I am very worried that it will be like Star Trek 09 or Into Darkness, simply because Disney prefers the most marketable Star Wars characters and situations over something new. I just watched Star Trek 09 the other day, and realized near the end that the analytical part of my brain had atrophied from disuse while watching that highly polished entertainment product. It's fun and entertaining, but there's no substance or bold reinterpretation of the material. This is what worries me the most about the Star Wars sequels.

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imperialscum said:

Anchorhead said:

skyjedi2005 said:

This is not the sequel trilogy Lucas would have given us ...

Which is exactly why I'll be seeing it. 

Like you didn't see the prequels...

I saw the first one only. 

 

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Have we not been properly introduced?

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Mr. Scum has a bit of an abrasive personality.

And yes, I'm pretty sure he's unaware that he's talking to a mod.

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NeverarGreat said:

 I am very worried that it will be like Star Trek 09 or Into Darkness, simply because Disney prefers the most marketable Star Wars characters and situations over something new.

No doubt about it, Disney is a behemoth. That said; I can't assume they will go profit first, story second. This is a franchise people are obviously passionate about, so they may err on the side of caution. They can have their cake and eat it too, which is what I'm hoping for.

 

I just watched Star Trek 09 the other day, and realized near the end that the analytical part of my brain had atrophied from disuse while watching that highly polished entertainment product. It's fun and entertaining, but there's no substance or bold reinterpretation of the material. This is what worries me the most about the Star Wars sequels.

I'd argue that the altered timeline is a bold reinterpretation.  One which divided the fan base. One which got this particular Trek nerd re-engaged with a franchise I'd drifted from.   To me, Abrams gave it substance again.

No more "There be whales here..." or Data singing show tunes. A serious space adventure with characters I was glad to see again.  Abrams reunited me with Star Trek, and I really loved Super 8.  I'm cautiously optimistic, but it's entirely possible my Star Wars DVD collection doubles in size after VII is released.

;-)

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NeverarGreat said:

I'm dreading the appearance of the Millennium Falcon, Han Solo, and dozens of other universe-shrinking callbacks in the Sequels.

I agree that the ST could be a colossal blunder for the reasons you cited, but Lucas tried to cater to the OT fans with the PT too with many examples of universe-shrinking plot points:

-C3PO being built by Anakin

-Jango Fett is the clone of all stormtroopers, and just happens to be Boba Fett's dad.

-C3PO living on Uncle Owens Farm during AOTC, yet Owen doesn't remember him 20 years later when he buys him?

-Chewbacca and his home planet just happen to show up in ROTS and they have good relations with Yoda.