Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 35

imperialscum said:

For example in ROTS, the kidnapping of the Palpatine was a major plot point that was never directly explained in the film and yet it worked okay.

Not sure if serious...

TV's Frink said:

I haven't used that yet.  I'm referring to "Good bye, miss you I will."

I thought that was what you used for Yoda's reaction to a certain shocking death in AOTR? ;)

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Having to explain to the audience why Chewie's not around would be awkward and sound forced

I don't know the details of Cheewie's death (I don't even know in which novel they made it) and I don't really care about it. But I have to disagree with what you said. Something like that really doesn't need detailed explaining. All it needs is a scene where Han or someone else mentions it.

For example in ROTS, the kidnapping of the Palpatine was a major plot point that was never directly explained in the film and yet it worked okay. The kidnapping was shown in the less known Clone Wars cartoons.

We saw the end result of the kidnapping though. Chewie deserves more than a throwaway line that he died years ago.

They're not about to hamstring the sequels by keeping continuity with the books anyway, so the point is moot.

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Having to explain to the audience why Chewie's not around would be awkward and sound forced

I don't know the details of Cheewie's death (I don't even know in which novel they made it) and I don't really care about it. But I have to disagree with what you said. Something like that really doesn't need detailed explaining. All it needs is a scene where Han or someone else mentions it.

For example in ROTS, the kidnapping of the Palpatine was a major plot point that was never directly explained in the film and yet it worked okay. The kidnapping was shown in the less known Clone Wars cartoons.

We saw the end result of the kidnapping though. Chewie deserves more than a throwaway line that he died years ago.

Well I understand your opinion but I think that in case they want him dead, it should be in a way that the death doesn't happen in the new films. Much more subtle and less distracting to the current storyline.

In that event, I will be too distraught to watch the rest of the film. ;)

Oh god let's not start with a funeral. Would put the whole thing on a downer.

JJ will probably open with a ship flying overhead wreathed in flame under attack by unknown forces. With the Captain shouting "We've got to warn the Republic BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!". Ship explodes, ominous hint of the imperial march.

Then we cut to a nice sunny day on Coruscant with all our old heros having a family get together (Luke is absent).  The new kids get introduced.

5 minutes later half of Coruscant is laid waste and Han has died defending his family.  With her last dying breath Leia tells the kids to find Uncle Luke (He's off exploring the Force somewhere). The kids still wiping away their tears run for the hanger bay and board the Falcon just in time to make a daring escape. Blasting into hyperspace and off on an adventure in a galaxy far, far, away.

That's how you start a JJ movie!

Killing off our heros in a blaze of glory would be the true way to treat them with respect IMO. Milking them or using them in meaningless cameos would tarnish the OT for me.

"Better to burn out, than to fade away"

The OT crew are rebels. That's how they grew up, that's how they think. They are used to the odds being stacked against them, getting out by the skin of their teeth.

But the galaxy has changed. They aren't fighting the establishment anymore. They ARE the establishment. Back then good was good, evil was evil, and it was war. Now everything is in shades of gray. There are no empires to topple, no wars to fight; at least not in the way that they have been fought. There are new enemies to fight, but they are so different that the old guard cannot understand them.

It's a new kind of war, with a new kind of warrior. The heroes of the Rebellion are the first to fall.

(This will never happen, but I'd like the Celestials to return)

I still think a vile gangster like Jabba The Hutt would be the best "main villain" for Episode VII.

Let's reestablish the Jedi by having them do what they do best: act as guardians of peace and justice.

I don't want to see another PreventTheJediFromGoingExtinct tale. I want to see our new heroes traipsing through dark underground corridors; fending off evil henchmen with cleverness, resorting to lightsabers only when necessary.

Most importantly, I don't want the movie to "take itself too seriously". I want the kind of lightheartedness that songs like Lapti Nek brought to RotJ. I want puppets and monsters and aliens and weirdos.

I want to laugh when the little robot is being a smart-ass, but I only find out through the responses of the tall robot.

I want Warwick Davis.

I want Star Wars.

<3

Ronster said:

a money spinner

Ooh unlike the other six okay

timdiggerm said:

Ronster said:

a money spinner

Ooh unlike the other six okay

 

Well the difference is that in OT Lucas still had to make something good in order to get the money/status.

After OT, Star Wars gained such a cult position that no matter what kind of crap you make, as long as you attach "Star Wars" to it, it will make tons of money (prequels for example). Same will apply for the new trilogy. So I think concerns can be valid.

As I've said before, Disney has paid billions to get their paws on Star Wars. They have a vested interest in making the best film possible. (And getting something back on their investment.) If the sequel doesn't break box office records, corporate heads will roll, and the whole deal will be considered a colossal failure in the eyes of the investors.

Nobody at the house of mouse wants another John Carter sized debacle.

Star Wars is a cash cow right? so no matter what crap we put out, the dumb masses will buy it and we'll be stinking rich!..oh, wait a minute, we already are. That kind of thinkng MAY have been behind the PT but times have moved on.

I completely disagree with this. I truly believe that George Lucas genuinely wanted the prequels to be high-quality films, and tried his hardest to make them such. Unfortunately, his own bloated ego and inadequacies as a story-teller and filmmaker got in the way and botched the enterprise. But I don't for a moment believe that they were only ever motivated by gross monetary greed.

Which, in a way, is even more pathetic, since if they were just cash-cows there would at least be an excuse.

Hey, it's me. said:

Where was the surprise with the prequels? What twists and turns were in it? Where was the anticipation of not knowing where the story was going next? The intention of telling a good (albeit, ultimately known story) was hmm, say, maybe 30% of the reason behind making the films. Everything was half arsed. Apart from the design of it. Gotta make the toys look good. 

What?!?!?!?! Where was the surprise with the prequels?...

The suspenseful un-answered questions, that's where. Like...

Why did the Jedi design a fighter that required an Astro-Droid but was so low to the ground that the Astro-Droid couldn't get out (Except by using it's rocket boosters)?

Why is Anakin alowed to dress in cool looking black-leather while all the other Jedi have to dress like Monks?

How did Padme get through the first 20 years of her life without seeing a waterfall?

Why are Jedi impervious to heat?

Just who was Master Syfo Dyas anyway?

How come the Naboo starfighter was designed with no landing gear?

What is Jawa juice?

Why does Count Dooku keep his ship on the other side of the planet to his base of operations?

Why is the high ground so damned important?

And of course, how do you stop your own heart when your husband has just become a sith?

^ It's these kind of enternal mysteries that keep me coming back to this endlessly fascinating trilogy! ;-)

Well Disney will sure make it as good as possible. But that "good" is defined by today's mainstream expectations (which does not reflect mine).

I could be wrong. Maybe the films will be good after all.