Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 368

Airwave said:

 

My pleasure. Thanks for doing the subtitles. I decided to do another read of your updated version to see if I missed something while reading it the first time. I have two small corrections. At the start, in "[ Introducing The Sources ]", "the" and "sources" should not be capitalized (alternatively, capitalize the whole thing). Also, "X-wing" is spelled with a lowercase w.

In addition, this time I decided to check that all references to users on this forum and their projects were spelled and capitalized the way they do it themselves. I have the following corrections to usernames and project names:
Dark Jedi -> dark_jedi
Team Negative One -> team negative1
Puggo Grande -> Puggo GRANDE

This is the way they themselves spell it, so I figured we should respect that.

 

I have made all of your recommended changes with a few exceptions.

First, I view the "Introducing" line as somewhat of a subtitle for the video, so "Introducing the sources" looks wrong to me. Alternatively, "INTRODUCING THE SOURCES" might be read as shouting. Instead, I've changed it to "Introducing the Sources", which matches the capitalization format in the German and French subtitles provided here.

Second, I wrote "Team Negative1" they way they signed their recent post in this thread.

team_negative1 said:

 

You can capitalize both the names or leave as is, whichever is easier. Thanks.

Team Negative1

I'm pretty confident in saying that no one around here is interested in the "easiest" option. If we liked easy, we'd just accept that the original version of Star Wars was lost a long, long time ago.  ;)

Let us know if you'd like your group name written in any different way.

Additionally, I have made these same edits in the German and French subtitles that were provided to me by GeorgeKaplan1959 and johnlocke2342, respectively, since they're mostly concerned with proper names that were rightfully not translated.

Here are my edited versions of all three .srt files (English, German, & French):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_English_edit2.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_German_edit2.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_French_edit1.srt

For those who are able and willing, additional proof-checking any any of these subtitles is always appreciated. And as always, the latest versions of any subtitles I receive will be uploaded to play alongside the video on YouTube, available at the link below:

http://youtu.be/dHfLX_TMduY

Airwave said:

 

Puggo Grande -> Puggo GRANDE

This is the way they themselves spell it, so I figured we should respect that.

 

hehe, I didn't even realize I had spelled it that way on my website until you just pointed it out.  It doesn't really matter to me, but I slightly prefer Puggo Grande, and will likely change it to that on my website one of these days soon.  Thanks for your attention to detail.

I'll be meeting Puggo in person tomorrow! Ain't that cool? :-)

OK, I must admit I was a bit too lazy to properly correct my subs. As I'm stuck at home for another hour, I corrected and enhanced HanDuet's edit.

Here they are. I honestly think they now are of good quality, except for the few times when I couldn't hold all the text on only two lines. Please note that Marvins still hasn't uploaded his version since he's busy uploading his French preservation based on Harmy's DeEd v2.1, which is as important IMO.

Corrected capitalization of "Puggo Grande" based on Puggo's preference. Here are the direct downloads of the latest subtitle files for the documentary:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_English_edit3.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_French_edit2.srt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108143349/Sources-Doc_German_edit3.srt

(No changes made to johnlocke2342's French subtitles besides renaming of the file.)

bttfbrasilfan said:

Harmy said:

I'll be meeting Puggo in person tomorrow! Ain't that cool? :-)

Awesome! But, wait... where are you to meet him? Puggo lives in Czech Republic too?

I believe he is visiting the Czech Republic.

yoda-sama said:

tortugash said:

I have an idea, and it relates to the shots that were omitted from the Special Edition. I was watching this DeEd, and great work! It keeps getting better too with the improved sources in Star Wars v.2.1.

There are some scenes in Empire and Jedi where there were shots outright missing, plugged back in from the GOUT. What a shame. I have been looking through eBay, and I see there are some laserdiscs of the OT, and because many of them don't say Widescreen on the cover, I presume that there are pan-and-scan copies on laserdisc?

Does anyone own these movies in full screen laserdisc? The reason I ask is pertaining to resolution. The GOUT, being non-anamorphic only has a vertical resolution of about 240 pixels. The pan-and-scan on the other hand utilizes the full vertical resolution of 480. Better yet, who owns a PAL pan-and-scan laserdisc with 576 pixels high? What if we rotoscoped the higher resolution subjects from the full screen laserdisc and inserted them over the upscaled GOUT?

Of course, there are parts of the screen missing on the sides in pan-and-scan, but the most important parts of the subject(s) are all there, and so what if the background items are relatively soft. I want to see "Lapti Nek" and discern more detail on Sy Snoodles. The GOUT version is like watching the scene through soup.

The same practice could be applied to many of the shots replaced in Empire and Jedi.

I realize that with older transfers, many other anomalies would still pervade, but the higher res would at least make the subjects clearer and in sharper focus.

While I understand the idea of "bigger must be better", there is the matter of quality.  Laserdisc is no simple medium to transfer from, the vast majority of players all convert the video to analog before outputting, it is only the very rare player that lets you at the A/V digitally.  In the earlier days of originaltrilogy.com there were big projects that were trying to get good laserdisc copies (Definitive Edition, mostly, with the Leia welding scene in ESB intact) to someone in a country (which, I forget) that had a super rare player that you could bypass the analog conversion.  In short, getting a quality digital recording from a Laserdisc source is more involved than you'd think.

You can't bypass analog on LD. LD is an analog format - or at least the video is. When you read about the players that could bypass the analog conversion and output digital, it was about audio only - video on LD is always analog.

Excuse my ignorance (as always) but could you simply physically scan a laserdisc surface at a microscopic zoom rate, and use a pc to analyze the lans/pits and pull the information from it? That way you could pull a 100% pure video signal from it?

I'm afraid this wouldn't work. The same method has been tried for vinyl records, and we still don't have the technology to make those scans sound decent. The most advanced method in existence is laser turntables that read the records without touching them, and these sound good, but they're pretty expensive.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Excuse my ignorance (as always) but could you simply physically scan a laserdisc surface at a microscopic zoom rate, and use a pc to analyze the lans/pits and pull the information from it? That way you could pull a 100% pure video signal from it?

That would most certainly be possible, but very difficult. Consider that the LD itself might be subject to minor warping (many are) and you'd need one hell of a digital tilt servo to compensate for that while tracking.

Then consider that you'd have to contend with occlusion defects (dirt and other material between the plastic and the aluminum layer), possible laser rot (oxidation of the aluminum layer), ..., the list goes on.

Also, keep in mind that the signal stored on a laserdisc is composite and, to the best of my knowledge, there are no free-and-open-source 3D comb filters that are as good as the proprietary ones.

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So, it's hard to say what a "100% pure video signal" is when talking about laserdiscs. The information isn't stored digitally and each pressing has its own characteristics.

Continued...

The closest to a "100% pure video signal" from an LD that I think we'll ever get is a TooT of 3 captures from 3 different copies of the same movie on LD (pressed by the same pressing factory, preferably) on an LD player with a >51dB signal-to-noise ratio that doesn't smear CLV LDs (if the LD in question is CLV, that is).

What a mouthful!

AntcuFaalb said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Excuse my ignorance (as always) but could you simply physically scan a laserdisc surface at a microscopic zoom rate, and use a pc to analyze the lans/pits and pull the information from it? That way you could pull a 100% pure video signal from it?

That would most certainly be possible, but very difficult. Consider that the LD itself might be subject to minor warping (many are) and you'd need one hell of a digital tilt servo to compensate for that while tracking.

Then consider that you'd have to contend with occlusion defects (dirt and other material between the plastic and the aluminum layer), possible laser rot (oxidation of the aluminum layer), ..., the list goes on.

And also consider that you'd need access to an electron microscope:

http://www.modeemi.fi/~leopold/AV/HowLDsLookLike.html

Moth3r said:

AntcuFaalb said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Excuse my ignorance (as always) but could you simply physically scan a laserdisc surface at a microscopic zoom rate, and use a pc to analyze the lans/pits and pull the information from it? That way you could pull a 100% pure video signal from it?

That would most certainly be possible, but very difficult. Consider that the LD itself might be subject to minor warping (many are) and you'd need one hell of a digital tilt servo to compensate for that while tracking.

Then consider that you'd have to contend with occlusion defects (dirt and other material between the plastic and the aluminum layer), possible laser rot (oxidation of the aluminum layer), ..., the list goes on.

And also consider that you'd need access to an electron microscope:

http://www.modeemi.fi/~leopold/AV/HowLDsLookLike.html

That's awesome, Moth3r. Thanks for sharing!

Nice! Looks possible, but time consuming. And would take programming a new analysis program.

Considering the lengths people are willing to go to for star wars preservations, I wouldn't be surprised to see an "electron microscope laserdisc scanning and analysis to retrieve pure video signal" project pop up. (Fingers crossed).

But yes, a 3 source cross reference scan is more probable by far.

Either would be an awesome source for Harmy.