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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!) — Page 25

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Angel said:

Ronster said:

And I would also like a bit of dog fight action like from ANH especially with the Targeting HUD Graphics it would make it feel a bit more  like the original and TBH I think this is one of the main things missing

Just to add that ROTJ has already reused footage from ANH in terms of cockpit shots. The already cheap production got cheaper. Always welcome to see something new.


-Angel

Well not once do we go inside a Tie-Fighter Either surely that's got to change too? The Tie Fighter Cockpits were just cool the with the hexagon window so cinematic.... A real opportunity lost also in my opinion That would help dog-fight action too I guess with the black strormtrooper flyboys and a bit of rearview window to boot. Obviously what's going on outside the window will be different but you get the idea

Here's to making an even cheaper ROTJ Hoorah!

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ShepardCommander said:

Vladius said:

ShepardCommander said:

2. Leading the Battle of Endor. Why they signed up Lando to command? He is betrayed once Han, do the military commanders trust him? Or Han leading the ground forces. And where the other soliders dissapeared, that only the Ewoks remain? Can't the ground team communicate the Fellet, and call in some air support to destroy the shield generator?

Someone's forgetting the little maneuver at the battle of Taanab.

Yeah, buti it's like in the prequels. " I saved you're life 9 times master!" lol :D We didn't saw and no one cared.

I cared. :'(
The main difference is that they're already developed in other ways, whereas Obi Wan and Anakin never have a very consistent relationship. Han winning the Millennium Falcon from Lando is never shown either, but it doesn't have to be.

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I just had a thought which might augment the Bothan idea.

One of the major criticisms of ROTS was the long building time for the first Death Star compared to the second.

What if the Bothan information included security footage of the building of the first Death Star which after analysis showed a second Death Star at an earlier stage of construction being built along side it.

The Bothans could have followed this up by finding out it's current location and also the details of the Emperor's visit.

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Hmmm...that's pretty interesting.  I know a lot of people aren't going for the Bothan opening, but that's a fascinating idea.  As that weird guy said in Contact: "Why build one of something when you can build two for twice the price?"  Perhaps we could include some sort of line that alludes to that.  I'd find it interesting.

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Bingowings said:

I just had a thought which might augment the Bothan idea.

One of the major criticisms of ROTS was the long building time for the first Death Star compared to the second.

What if the Bothan information included security footage of the building of the first Death Star which after analysis showed a second Death Star at an earlier stage of construction being built along side it.

The Bothans could have followed this up by finding out it's current location and also the details of the Emperor's visit.

It's a good idea only problem with it is that the whole structure of DSII was different although I agree it was being built along side DSI...

Cant we just have the plans stolen from the shield generator on Endor and before they escape they get captured or self destruct the ship whilst being captured as I suggested... Atleast that way it involves the Shield Generator from the start... We see this as one of the goals our hereos must get to before Jabbas palace and rescuing Han then DSII later... urgghh I dunno what to do about this

it seems nobody can agree but then I think It is only a matter of time before somone sees the light and nails it... We desperatly need somthing to make the structure work properly and make the plot more cohesive in the process.

I still maintain I don't want to see Bothans only hear that they died trying to steal the plans but I don't mind seeing them try in exterior shots of a ship being destroyed...Say or any other simplistic way... Ambiguous way

Bingo-wings please could you perhaps give me your alternate take on this idea please you have a good imagination. Link Below

http://www.mediafire.com/?nczs921vtp0ouh8

The main Idea was to show a failure and the empire capitalise on the situation... I think you can come up with somthing for sure The probe droids are meant to be escape pods they would need modifying obviously.

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Well, my little scene involves few visuals, is short, gets across any additional information anybody wanted, is simply a clue to the story's progression and involves no emotional connection, and fits in with the recent vote.  I think it may be all we need, but I'm not sure everyone liked it.  I like the idea of showing simultaneous DS constructions, but I'm not sure how to pull that off...yet :)

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darth_ender said:

Well, my little scene involves few visuals, is short, gets across any additional information anybody wanted, is simply a clue to the story's progression and involves no emotional connection, and fits in with the recent vote.  I think it may be all we need, but I'm not sure everyone liked it.  I like the idea of showing simultaneous DS constructions, but I'm not sure how to pull that off...yet :)

You know all too well what I am talking about... If you open the movie as normal with Vader going to DSII then what do you put inbetween Luke Leaving Dagobah and getting to Tattooine.. The emperors visit stays where it is agreed so thats what I am talking about... It does not need to be Bothans it can be anything I am talking about cuts away and padding.

Ok forget about Bothans look at it like this instead as a series of choices

1. Original opening > Dagobah > Blank > Tattooine

2. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Tattooine

3. Original opening > Tattooine > Dagobah

or my Idea

4. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Blank > Tattooine

Thats what I mean really like I said I don't care about Bothans but I do care about the structure

 

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Ronster said:

darth_ender said:

Well, my little scene involves few visuals, is short, gets across any additional information anybody wanted, is simply a clue to the story's progression and involves no emotional connection, and fits in with the recent vote.  I think it may be all we need, but I'm not sure everyone liked it.  I like the idea of showing simultaneous DS constructions, but I'm not sure how to pull that off...yet :)

You know all too well what I am talking about... If you open the movie as normal with Vader going to DSII then what do you put inbetween Luke Leaving Dagobah and getting to Tattooine.. The emperors visit stays where it is agreed so thats what I am talking about... It does not need to be Bothans it can be anything I am talking about cuts away and padding.

Ok forget about Bothans look at it like this instead as a series of choices

1. Original opening > Dagobah > Blank > Tattooine

2. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Tattooine

3. Original opening > Tattooine > Dagobah

or my Idea

4. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Blank > Tattooine

Thats what I mean really like I said I don't care about Bothans but I do care about the structure

 

Original Opening>Dagobah>Vader communes with Luke as he flies to Tatooine>Tatooine.

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We talked about including Vader on the Death Star reaching out to Luke.  If done right, it feels like a brief but worthy transition to me.  And even then, my little scene here could fit just before Vader reaches out to Luke.  It can be altered further to include even less Bothan, and it even fits your desire for ambiguity.

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It's quite good but I feel it is'nt long enough sorry but thats my Opinion does not mean I am right or anything

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Just a quick stab but trying to keep the expense of filming to a minimum.

The radio adaptation of ANH had a nice scene where the Tantive IV faked damage to buy time to receive a transmission from the Rebel spies.

I imagine this must have been an early concept for the film as the scene is as similar to R2's repair to Padme's ship in TPM as the Skyhopper race is to the Podrace in the same film and Lucas loves to recycle unused material.

Another touchstone could be the human mercenaries transmitting the Genesis plans to the Bird Of Prey in Star Trek III.

So what you could have is a small ship seemingly adrift near Bothawui (which is under Imperial blockade) and the human (to avoid makeup effects) Captain is keeping up a story that his ship has broken down and is under repair while in the background he is receiving a transmission from the planet.

The Imperials want to board the ship anyway.

They soon twig on about the transmission but they can't jam it so they start shooting both the ship and bombard the source of transmission (creating obvious damage to the populated area of the planet below).

The transmission is completed however and the ship immediately jumps to Hyperspace.

A spot reading of the transmission mystifies the Captain as it seems to obsolete news (It shows the Death Star which was destroyed in the first film).

But zooming into a small grey shape in the footage we see the other Death Star also being built and the dwell on the horrified look on the Captain's face.

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Ehhh....I'm just not a fan of any Bothans being added to this movie. It's going to be way to difficult to do, and I don't feel like it's a worthwhile change.

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Bingowings said:

Just a quick stab but trying to keep the expense of filming to a minimum.

The radio adaptation of ANH had a nice scene where the Tantive IV faked damage to buy time to receive a transmission from the Rebel spies.

I imagine this must have been an early concept for the film as the scene is as similar to R2's repair to Padme's ship in TPM as the Skyhopper race is to the Podrace in the same film and Lucas loves to recycle unused material.

Another touchstone could be the human mercenaries transmitting the Genesis plans to the Bird Of Prey in Star Trek III.

So what you could have is a small ship seemingly adrift near Bothawui (which is under Imperial blockade) and the human (to avoid makeup effects) Captain is keeping up a story that his ship has broken down and is under repair while in the background he is receiving a transmission from the planet.

The Imperials want to board the ship anyway.

They soon twig on about the transmission but they can't jam it so they start shooting both the ship and bombard the source of transmission (creating obvious damage to the populated area of the planet below).

The transmission is completed however and the ship immediately jumps to Hyperspace.

A spot reading of the transmission mystifies the Captain as it seems to obsolete news (It shows the Death Star which was destroyed in the first film).

But zooming into a small grey shape in the footage we see the other Death Star also being built and the dwell on the horrified look on the Captain's face.

Sounds good.....not too much work....the most expense would be the interior of the Captains ship

J

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Somehow Bothans delivering plans to the Rebels was an idea that we successfully voted upon in spite of voting down other Bothan ideas.  A lot of this is quite complex, which is why I wrote a short scene (and in my opinion, a short scene in this situation is a good thing).  However, as I've stated, the votes are guidelines and not rules, and we therefore can change what needs to be changed.  We've gotten a lot more participation of late, so the next vote may be quite a bit bigger.  I myself prefer simple but meaningful changes.

 

So speaking of changes, I'm still working on the script (I know, I said I'd be done yesterday, so sue me).  One point made by Ronster with regard to my cut of the Endor battle (and thus my script, as they are similar) is that it took too long for the fighters to enter the station.  I'm thinking that we should include a brief dogfight scene (as discussed above) where the various Rebel fighters try to gain access to the superstructure and the Imperials try to prevent that.  So according to my script, the Ewoks and Rebels have the Imperials on the run on the surface, Chewie and a couple teddy bears get the idea to hijack a walker, but we don't know that yet.  Cut to Death Star, fighters shooting each other.  Falcon and several fighters also are scrambling to find the entrance to the superstructure.  This explains part of the holdup and can include more of the dogfighting and intercom chatter you guys were talking about earlier.  Then cut back to Chewie and Ewoks swinging onto the AT-ST and committing grand theft walker.  Thoughts?

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Most of it could be done with close ups and the Imperial officers voice over the ship speakers so the interior could be just out of focus lights and some sort of monitor to view the transmission.

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I like Bingowings Idea...... This does execute things differently and would definatley fit better in ROTJ than a recycled a new hope begining.... A transmission is very simple indeed... What ship would you have it be bingo wings? somthing neutral I suppose. hey ok what about it is Boush on the ship a bounty hunter ship no need for lip sync either if it's boush / Leia

Ok so in your version we would simply need to see that ship rendevouz with the fleet carrying the plans? or keep it traditional USB Stick Droid Download and out the airlock?

Later we see Boush with chewbacca

Just thoughts trying to amalgamate ideas here

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I just don't see how any of this Bothan/plans stuff makes for a better movie. If anything, it slows the pace, shows us info that we don't need and it would be the only sequence in the trilogy that doesn't involve any of our main characters and therefore would stand out, at least to me, as un-star wars.

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darth_ender said:

Somehow Bothans delivering plans to the Rebels was an idea that we successfully voted upon in spite of voting down other Bothan ideas.  A lot of this is quite complex, which is why I wrote a short scene (and in my opinion, a short scene in this situation is a good thing).  However, as I've stated, the votes are guidelines and not rules, and we therefore can change what needs to be changed.  We've gotten a lot more participation of late, so the next vote may be quite a bit bigger.  I myself prefer simple but meaningful changes.

 

So speaking of changes, I'm still working on the script (I know, I said I'd be done yesterday, so sue me).  One point made by Ronster with regard to my cut of the Endor battle (and thus my script, as they are similar) is that it took too long for the fighters to enter the station.  I'm thinking that we should include a brief dogfight scene (as discussed above) where the various Rebel fighters try to gain access to the superstructure and the Imperials try to prevent that.  So according to my script, the Ewoks and Rebels have the Imperials on the run on the surface, Chewie and a couple teddy bears get the idea to hijack a walker, but we don't know that yet.  Cut to Death Star, fighters shooting each other.  Falcon and several fighters also are scrambling to find the entrance to the superstructure.  This explains part of the holdup and can include more of the dogfighting and intercom chatter you guys were talking about earlier.  Then cut back to Chewie and Ewoks swinging onto the AT-ST and committing grand theft walker.  Thoughts?

I think in your version the shield was down when chewie steals the AT-ST so are you suggesting cutting back and fourth would work well as in the original this happens before the shield is down but I definatley feel this might be a good inclusion and a good place for some dog fighting aswell as at the first point when the shield is still up.

the whole thing about Jejerrods conflict would be better used to target the small moon not Endor thats suicide. That small celestial body you were talking about Darth Ender might work well as a better target than Endor... If they blew that up then it might wipe out the rebel fleet and there own fleet too lol how about that and this could happen during the dog fight not the attack run...just thoughts coming to me don't think that I am all go for it just exploring.

@ray_afraid thats why I just suggested Boush / Leia

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Ray_afraid, I think that's a fair comment, and as much as I enjoy pondering many of these ideas, a big part of me agrees with you.  Yes, we are trying to slow the pace (which is why I especially like my tiny little version of the Bothans delivering the plans--slows it a bit, but not too dramatic), but I worry a whole new scene would be too out of place.  I like the ideas, but I just don't see how to make them fit.  Obviously I like my ideas, but even my own little scene gives me pause as feeling out of place.  The only reason I wrote it was to go along with the vote.

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fishmanlee said:

ray_afraid said:

 it slows the pace,

I believe thats the point, its used to balance4 out the running time, since there will be much cutting of other things (Ewoks etc.), so we need something to keep the film from seeming too short.

Cut the Ewok vs. Empire stuff, add Rebels vs. Empire stuff.  This way there's no shoved-in extra plot line that leads to nowhere the film doesn't already go and would make for a more believable and action packed ground battle.

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darth_ender said:

Ray_afraid, I think that's a fair comment, and as much as I enjoy pondering many of these ideas, a big part of me agrees with you.  Yes, we are trying to slow the pace (which is why I especially like my tiny little version of the Bothans delivering the plans--slows it a bit, but not too dramatic), but I worry a whole new scene would be too out of place.  I like the ideas, but I just don't see how to make them fit.  Obviously I like my ideas, but even my own little scene gives me pause as feeling out of place.  The only reason I wrote it was to go along with the vote.

It would make for a great short film, but I just couldn't accept it as a part of the trilogy. Actually, I'd love to work on it collaboratively as a short film.

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You know it is really hard but Ithink Bingo wings is on the right track and your script for the plans is good also... I like my idea of the plans being delivered better but hey let's try and amalgamate all this into a whole concept that would work.... Was it Tiggderm that suggested Boush before this could atleast make it a main character you just would not know it if it was the first time you had watched it.

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@ray_afraid, again, I agree.  Various short films could be quite interesting to expand upon plot points without actually inserting them into ROTJ.  Perhaps a thread should be started for that very purpose.  And it need not be limited to ROTJ subplots; perhaps other points people wish could be expanded upon should be filmed, like the wampa subplot in ESB or how the original DSI plans came into Princess Leia's hands.  Those would be really interesting projects to see.

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While I'm for cutting Ewok stuff, I don't believe it can be a successful complete excision.  Therefore I think minimizing certain things and rearranging the plot can be a more realistic solution, plus inserting a couple of well-placed home-filmed commando clips.

Now speaking of all this filming action, no one has volunteered any ideas on how to obtain costumes.  When we finally decide on what we're filming, where will we get the costumes?