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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!) — Page 22

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GoodMusician said:

I wouldn't dream to add many, if any, prequel trilogy themes into the OT. For me, that's kinda going too far. Maybe some background filler music, but not out right themes unless they're truly warented... Like...off the top of my head... instead of using the Ewok finale, they used that new age-ey music...but I wonder if something else might have been better...perhaps influeneced by the locations shown or something but thats ok...

 

If you wanted to see my HP cues, they're here:

 

Opening

http://youtu.be/SXux7ERa7sM

(Includes my new theme)

 

Next Scene

http://youtu.be/tphKtX1PN5E

 

Next Scene (alternate scoreing)

http://youtu.be/-CDxA5Ejn64

Very nice !

Maybe the background synthetizer that makes a continuous wave would deserve to be silent from time to time imo (first video), nevertheless this is great.

 

Why woundn't you - all of you guys who met here thanks to Star Wars - make your own project? Star Wars is good inspiration, but what inspired it is even better. And what you are discussing in this thread seems a huge project... huge enough to make your own one !(?)

At least it would belong to all of you, not to someone else.

:->

 

 

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darth_ender said:

I was excited to see Bingo contributing to this thread, and instead he gets caught up in my semantics.  *sob*

ALLOL

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Bingowings said:

Okay sugar.

One idea I've been tarting around on the wishlist thread for some while is that when the Rebels enter the backdoor bunker, instead of going underground to the reactor room (do we need another reactor blowing up?) they enter a service elevator leading to the just under the projector dish.

The reactor background could be replaced by a view of the skyline and perhaps a bit of the dish showing.

The Imperial officer gets knocked off an exterior balcony of the tower instead of into the reactor area.

When the charges go off instead of blowing up half the forest it just snaps the dish off which slides downhill cutting off the power to the Death Star shield.

When Han and Leia watch the station explode and have their little chat about Luke it takes place inside the wrecked dish.

Big effects project but it would make the conclusion of the ground battle look more visually interesting and it would be kind of poetic for Han and Leia to watch the Death Star go bang inside the carcass of their slain dragon.

LOVE it!

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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Sort of yeah.

This image of Jodrell getting a spring clean might be another useful reference :

It would be great if the dish could slide like in this scene (which is so much better in the original German).

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Angel said:

GoodMusician said:

I wouldn't dream to add many, if any, prequel trilogy themes into the OT. For me, that's kinda going too far. Maybe some background filler music, but not out right themes unless they're truly warented... Like...off the top of my head... instead of using the Ewok finale, they used that new age-ey music...but I wonder if something else might have been better...perhaps influeneced by the locations shown or something but thats ok...

You said it perfectly!

Some undertones would be ideal in some places.

Shouldnt the endor as have its own theme?like Bespin's/Lando's theme? I guess the celebration can have endor's theme in bittersweet tones.

OT rarely had choirs apart some exeptions in cloud city , the emperors theme and luke's boost against vader in ROTJ. Duel of the fates wouldnt be good if used with choir(not my kind of theme i could imagine in OT) or choirless in any battle. Its too tense. Most of the time in TPM when that music plays nobody talks. The music guides. in ROTJ its all more character based.

I guess GM can do miracles. I cant wait to hear what he will come up to.


-Angel

That's why I suggested it be used in shots WE added....just random dogfights and parts of the space battle. Some may cry that that's a little prequel-ish, but I like it.

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Nah. maybe its me i dont like PT music into the classic Williams.

Ridiculs ammounts of work if when possible for such music background. needs more clasic adventure rather choir IMO.


-Angel

–>Artwork<–**

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Bingowings said:

Okay sugar.

One idea I've been tarting around on the wishlist thread for some while is that when the Rebels enter the backdoor bunker, instead of going underground to the reactor room (do we need another reactor blowing up?) they enter a service elevator leading to the just under the projector dish.

The reactor background could be replaced by a view of the skyline and perhaps a bit of the dish showing.

The Imperial officer gets knocked off an exterior balcony of the tower instead of into the reactor area.

When the charges go off instead of blowing up half the forest it just snaps the dish off which slides downhill cutting off the power to the Death Star shield.

When Han and Leia watch the station explode and have their little chat about Luke it takes place inside the wrecked dish.

Big effects project but it would make the conclusion of the ground battle look more visually interesting and it would be kind of poetic for Han and Leia to watch the Death Star go bang inside the carcass of their slain dragon.

Interesting proposition.  It does sound like a lot of work, but it has a nice symbolism to it.  My only serious complaint would be that it's not quite as dramatic a finish to the generator as we are used to, but perhaps that's okay.

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Although it is such a simple thing, the opening crawl is crucial for setting the stage of the entire film.  This is the crawl I used in my last script:

 

 

The Alliance is doomed! In spite of its swelling numbers, the massive Imperial Fleet has driven and scattered their forces. Now they seek to regroup in hiding near the planet Sullust.

 

But Luke Skywalker, determined to save his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt, has returned to Dagobah to complete his Jedi traiding under the aging Master Yoda.

 

As Luke readies his plans, Alliance spies have discovered an awful truth: the construction of a new Imperial battlestation, more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star.  If completed, this ultimate weapon will bring certain defeat to the small band of Rebels struggling to restore freedom to the galaxy...

 

Since I'm fixing up the script, I want to get a pretty good idea of how this will end up.  Several important elements remain important for this to work as it should:

1. It must be concise
2. It must establish that Luke has continued his training on Dagobah
3. It must establish that Luke will rescue Han in spite of other obligations
4. It should raise the stakes, thus explaining the first line in my version; a common complaint of the original film is the lack of tension, and we need to feel that really this is an all-or-nothing final chapter in the struggle.
5. It probably should mention the new Death Star.

Anyone have any suggestions?

 

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Had the thought today that not only does Vader arrive with just an ordinary Star Destroyer, but he also only has two fighters providing escort and a small entourage of troopers and officers waiting for him.  Clearly he doesn't get the respect the Emperor does when he arrives (with every TIE fighter circling the station and hundreds of military personnel), but still I feel a man who is as feared and revered as Vader should have more respect from his underlings.  I think he should have at least four fighters as escort , probably TIE Interceptors, and a larger welcoming committee, complete with balloons and a "We Missed You" banner.  Okay, maybe not the silly stuff, but do you see what I'm saying?

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Unless Vader is arriving "covertly" as it were.  Jerjerrod was surprised at his arrival.

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I'm just throwing out ideas while I've got a few moments and while they're in my head.  It bums me out, while working on the script, that even in the deleted scenes there was never the reconciliation between Han and Lando that was originally written.  Because we are hoping to use the sandstorm scene which covers most of the material used during the parting flights from Tatooine, the actually scene where the Falcon and W-wing fly away is very short.  What if we dubbed over Han's "Thanks for coming after me" lines with some impersonated reconciliation over the speaker, something where Han and Lando joke back and forth for a moment, making some comment that indicates that Han has forgiven Lando while Luke overhears and smiles to himself.

LEIA: Hurry.  The Alliance should be assembled by now.

LUKE: I will.

HAN: (sarcastically) I guess we owe Lando some thanks too.

LANDO: I just figured you'd give me bad luck forever if I didn't do something.

 

I don't know if that's the best way to do it, but do you understand what I'm getting at?

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Sluggo said:

Unless Vader is arriving "covertly" as it were.  Jerjerrod was surprised at his arrival.

This is true, but it need not be that surprising IMO.  People really like the idea of using the Executor.  It seems its popping out of hyperspace and a shuttle immediately departing is still plenty surprising.

But his covert arrival is all I can think of as the original reasoning, though I don't know why he would be so cautious.  Often these things are done with great pomp.

EDIT: On top of this, people voted to make Vader tougher, but we weren't sure how to do it..  This gives him a more intimidating presence in the film, as does the reincorporated Jerjerrod choking scene with a stronger line instead of that spoken by Prowse.

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Angel said:

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Shouldnt the endor as have its own theme?like Bespin's/Lando's theme? I guess the celebration can have endor's theme in bittersweet tones.

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-Angel

Now I understand why I disliked the Yub Yub song. 

Star Wars ended with the medal ceremony and music that was built on Luke's/the Force theme.  It brought a great feeling of completion to the adventure.  ROTJ needs to have a similiar treatment.  Yub Yub and the new Jedi Celebration song (is that what it is called?) don't use the earlier motifs.

That said, I like how ADM scored his ROTJ edit back in the day.

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I just wrote this very brief scene, based on the winning vote to include a scene of the DSII plans coming to the Rebellion.  It would be the only Bothan related scene at all in this version of my script.  It would probably be easier to create than any other and provides enough of the information people were hoping for as a plot setup.  Currently the only reasonable place to put it is just after rescuing Han, before the Emperor arrives at the Death Star.  In this sense, it fits nicely with the message the Bothan is bringing.  The scene of the Rebel briefing would still follow the Emperor's arrival as well, so my only worry is that there is not much time separating the arrival of the Death Star info and the briefing, but it seems fine to me.  What do you guys think?  Does it work?

 

EXTERIOR: SPACE – REBEL FLEET

 

In space, we see several large vessels that seem to be joining in formation around the planet Sullust.  We see an Imperial shuttle slowly arriving and approaching the HEADQUARTERS FRIGATE, also called HOME ONE.

 

INTERIOR: IMPERIAL SHUTTLE COCKPIT

 

The blood-encrusted furry hand pilots the shuttle towards the open hangar.  We then see the eyes of the Bothan up close, filled with tears.

 

BOTHAN: (emotionally, speaking over the intercom) Home One, this is Commander Gryl’ya.  I am the last of Bothan team Mon Mothma sent out, and I have some desperate news for her.

 

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That isn't a bad little scene.  Most Bothan's I know can't really act, so It may be tough to film.

The biggest problem is that now the scene doesn't really give enough time for the rebellion to gather their plan.

I think it would fit in with a re-arranged story (one of the Dagobah-first edits, for instance), but it seems out of place as the movie currently stands.

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We have indeed rearranged it so that Dagobah comes in very early on.  I agree about the placement as not leaving enough time.  I wondered if it might effectively appear as if enough time has passed (after all, in ANH they plug in R2, see a horrible Death Star schematic that doesn't match the real thing, see the Death Star approaching Yavin, then we go on to the Yavin briefing.  However, I again agree, it might fit better earlier.  Sluggo, I really feel it fortunate that you are here.  Please download my earlier script (you can find it starting at the bottom of the first post and following the Yellow Brick Road), and telling me where you think it may fit best.

As for Bothan acting, I thought it might be easier to simply use costumes and human dubbing.  That way we don't have to pay their outrageous contractual demands either.  I tried to write the scene so we would actually see very little of the Bothan himself, only revealing his hands (can be decent costume gloves) and eyes (probably not too hard for CGI, and possibly even reused from some other film).

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darth_ender said:

The Alliance is doomed!

I don't really like this... It doesn't quite match the tone used in the OT opening crawls and sort of reminds of the "War!" and "Evil is everywhere" lines used in Episode III.

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Captain Antilles said:

darth_ender said:

The Alliance is doomed!

I don't really like this... It doesn't quite match the tone used in the OT opening crawls and sort of reminds of the "War!" and "Evil is everywhere" lines used in Episode III.

Fair enough.  I'm trying to make it seem deadly serious, however.  Any suggestions?

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fishmanlee said:

ESB: "It is a dark time for the rebellion"
ROTJ: "The Alliance Is Doomed!"

They sure don't match! ;|

AHA!  I'm redeemed.  I actually confess plaigerizing...Bingowings I think...from the wishlist when creating this crawl.  I looked to his sample for ideas.