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I like the thought of making the falcon's exit take longer.

Are we still debating on whether or not Lando should die?

Well, either way, it'd be cool to play that scene out longer and let some suspense build. It goes so fast in the movie that you don't have time to really wonder whether or not Lando is going to make it out of there. 

I think everything is currently still up for debate.  Soon I'll have a vote on several items, but if you have any thoughts, we'd love to hear it :)

If anyone cares about my vote, Lando should live.

What's the point of killing him off at the very end of the movie? It's like having Godzilla fall on top of Raymond Burr after dying or something (worse, because Lando is only a supporting character in ROTJ).Plenty of rebels die earlier in the film to show that "it's serious" so it wouldn't serve that purpose.

The "logical" place to kill him off would be in the explosion of the Death Star (and that was were the rumored "death scene" was all along), so the ship doesn't fly out, it just is engulfed in the explosion before it gets all the way out (yee hah!). A pretty anticlimactic death scene anyway. Some people hate his character so much (to this day! for what he had to do in ESB) that they would probably consider the "loss" of the Falcon in the explosion to be sadder. Whatever.

That said, anybody can do whatever they like in a fanedit, so if it's you're dream to kill off Calrissian in your edit, go with that...

Your opinion does matter.  This edit relies on various opinions.  I personally want him to live, and I've thought of how it might play out if he dies.  It does seem anti-climactic, though I began entertaining the idea a little more a couple of days ago and considered the upside.  Overall, I think I still am sticking with my original preference as well.  Thanks for your input, and you are welcome to provide more at any time.

Good news, all: Jaitea has agreed to join our team.  He stated in a PM that he is pretty busy at work but that he'd be happy to take part in a few parts, and he gave permission for me to update the first post with his name as a team member.  Jaitea is good with the CGI: he made the big AT-AT foot as a demo for Ady's edit, and I've seen some of his other stuff as well.

Yes, I just saw that for his foot.  You are correct.  But he gave me a link to his YouTube channel and it likes like he has some CGI animation skills as well.  I'll correct the first post to reflect these sorts of special effects.  Thanks for the catch, Angel :)

The Millennium Falcon speeding out of the explosion just as it comes out of the shaft is a very iconic scene, as well.

If Lando dies on-screen, and the Falcon is engulfed in flames, I will cry bitter tears. That's to traumatic for this film...for ANY FILM. 

And also, the only thing about the revised script that reallly bugged me: starting on Dagobah.

Now don't get me wrong, Dagobah taking place before Tatooine is a good idea. But to START the film? I always liked the motif of each film starting with a Star Destroyer flying overhead. But beyond that motif, starting the film on the DS II serves as to alert the audience of the danger the Empire poses in the film. In ANH the beginning established their main goal: finding the Death Star plans. In Empire Strikes Back, it established their main goal: finding Luke Skywalker. That being the case, I feel like ROTJ needs to follow suit.

So I propose this: Death Star opening, then Dagobah, then Tatooine.

Anyone agree with what I'm saying here, or not?

The only way to make the scene tragic would be to make new shots from scratch to play up the emotion. Otherwise, Lando (and the Falcon) will just go down as lamely as Boba Fett. 
I think Lando should live, but we should make it SEEM like he's going to die for the sake of suspense.


I would definitely agree with MrInsaneA on the order. It should open with the Death Star, then cut to Dagobah. Also, I'm a big fan of how the sounds and the quietness are played up in the beginning with Darth Vader arriving. It's powerful visuals with audio that really makes things feel unsettling and "something's about to happen"-ish.  

aalenfae said:

The only way to make the scene tragic would be to make new shots from scratch to play up the emotion. Otherwise, Lando (and the Falcon) will just go down as lamely as Boba Fett. 
I think Lando should live, but we should make it SEEM like he's going to die for the sake of suspense.


I would definitely agree with MrInsaneA on the order. It should open with the Death Star, then cut to Dagobah. Also, I'm a big fan of how the sounds and the quietness are played up in the beginning with Darth Vader arriving. It's powerful visuals with audio that really makes things feel unsettling and "something's about to happen"-ish.  

It's just such an iconic opening for me, only equal in my eyes, to the opening of ANH. To start on Dagobah, with as slow a scene as Yoda's death...it just doesn't seem right, especially for what is supposed to be the epic conclusion to the saga/trilogy. 

I finally uploaded some voice impersonations.  You know, you never sound the same when you hear a recording of yourself...Many of my impersonations are not that great, but I think my best are Jerjerrod, 3PO, and Boba Fett.  Could work on some others, but no guarantee that anything would be great.  In any case, I submit myself to your scrutiny as a potential voice actor for a few dubbed lines if need be.  Hopefully we can also get some others to try their hand at this.

http://www.4shared.com/zip/JbpUYPen/Impersonations.html

fishmanlee said:

All my knowledge comes from listening, and observing (my title comes from me replacing scenes music), I can not write nor read music, so I am no help to you here, however I have two friends I can ask about it if you want (one of them was a member here for awhile) here are their work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkC_anDP5T0&feature=plcp&context=C3712a64UDOEgsToPDskKo_T_3tV-W0KybFujGzPem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO1NY-yGjR8&feature=plcp&context=C3cb5fe5UDOEgsToPDskJPcnEBvprNJlry12DbT95B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWh_XuOLpCg&feature=plcp&context=C300eac4UDOEgsToPDskIipgmd9evAuUCWjDAuIe3B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m8NgBx1TGk&feature=plcp&context=C318e71aUDOEgsToPDskIyCX71_qkjfUDhMttrJ5KF

Going through all the old posts trying to catalogue ideas for serious discussion to put up for vote.  Man, this is more time consuming than I realized.  We've come up with a lot of ideas!  But I realized I hadn't looked at these youtube videos yet, and we definitely need some folks with composition skills.  I PMed The Cutter who showed a great deal of promise (good news, he responded a week later and he does live).  He said he would take a look at our project and consider things, but also stated he is busy.  I doubt we'll nab him, and if we do, it will probably be much later.  If you can talk to your friends, that could be extremely valuable.  Sorry I never responded earlier.

EDIT: I should also mention that I love Angel's mattes, but the ones I felt most strongly about are included in the script.  I hope that was clear.  That means the pictures in the script are also up for dispute if anyone wishes.

darth_ender said:

 

All are fair comments.  I think I've been outvoted.  I worked it that way in part to justify the time gap between traveling from Dagobah to Tatooine, and also I kind of liked the idea of a slower start.  However, this is apparently not the majority rule, so I'll rework it.

Ronster has been pushing heavily for a scene where the Death Star plans are stolen.  His vision includes a Death Star, and while his idea seems too similar to ANH, perhaps creating a new scene that contains at least some of the elements he suggests could obtain what we are looking for.

But perhaps the best choice is to put the Death Star first followed by Dagobah, as Spence did.  I'll have to further consider how to show the transition to Tatooine.  Any ideas?

Which opening between these two do you guys feel would be better?

 

As for Lando, though some have suggested killing him, too many, myself included, lean towards keeping him alive.  Sounds like that's probably what we should do, but maybe I'll send out a poll later today or tomorrow regarding the various debated issues.  If new issues arise, we can vote on those later.  I will send out PMs to everyone who has contributed to this project and give something like a week for everyone to read the script and respond.  Then I'll post the results.

 

I am going to steam roller in here and explain my issues with everything so far.

The Structure does not work that we currently have at the start Dagobah >> DSII Vader >> Tattooine. I have attempted to fill this with somthing to fill out the story aswell as give a classic star wars opening and make the structure work but I doubt it would have the same epicness as previous films? Please see my opening storyboard and perhaps somone could expand upon it or have a better idea or feel we should revert back to the original structure. I am not pushing my ideas I simply am pushing to try and make things work better than are currently layed out.

Also the Transition of Luke from Dagobah to Tattooine will need padding out time wise and a new transitional shot of Luke arriving at tattooine which is all fine if it can be achieved. But should we be so bold as to attempt to do this or should we stick to the original structure. there is no harm in trying but I have tried to be as crafty as possible with my ideas only to try and make the structure work we currently have.

I want this project to work honestly and am doing all I can to make it the best it could be, but I don't want to destroy ROTJ in the process either.

We basically have come to a crossroads with all these ideas and thoughts and need to now start making sense of what it is we want to achieve, what is the reason to watch this ROTJ over the original? Should we be daring? should we change some of the events? Should we try to fill out parts to accomodate other changes?

The way I see it is, if you want to see ROTJ then watch the original, if you want to see a different version which is better or worse in some ways then watch this one. Mabey you'll like it mabey you won't.

I don't want to butcher ROTJ but I don't see the point in even doing this if it will be the same as ROTJ as the original so we may aswell throw everything at it and see how it turns out.

I don't care if Lando dies really, to see the millennium falcon go down like a big ball of fire is more about killing the ideal for what the millennium falcon stood for i.e. uniting because of a common enemy thus the empire is destroyed the Falcon would not mean anything either unless you had another enemy to unite and fight together against so it may aswell go out in a blaze of glory... What's to lose? If it makes you sad then thats good in my book that's more than the original did it's way to happy IMO. Or as Alanfae said it might be like a lame Bobba Fett but unless somone tries it we won't know so it's pointless discussing unless somone shows us their imagination. I think he should fly out "yee-Ha!" but have the back lit in flames which slowly consumes the falcon and we see turn into a fireball and it finally explodes over dramatic music.

I don't really wan't to make a ROTJ that feels scared of being what it could be... I can see a much better film in here and my best contribution so far is Luke not telling Leia she is his sister, and her pain makes Luke reveal her to Vader, Vader then begging to tell his sister, vader not a force ghost. This idea is not even up for debate it would seem but that for me is truly making ROTJ a bit more than a kids film. Luke carrys the can

ROTJ the original is a good movie but the pacing is awful especially at the end, this is the clincher in my eyes and you can throw as much special effects as you like at it but you need to make sure we have the best structure at the end in this edit for pacing and fluidity and add tension if it just stays like the original with extra scenes you may aswell not bother with this project as you have not solved anything and perhaps caused yourselves more problems with adding deleted scenes ontop of a movie that lacked tension in the first place.

WE NEED TO MAKE ROTJ WORK MUCH BETTER THAN IT DID ORIGINALLY

Before we go any further Darth_ender should do a rough cut of the pruposed structure at the end.

I will recut my rough cut as it was incorrect in some ways darth ender pointed out.

Can somone else do a rough cut of the end disregarding or incorporating the script or 2 others then we should discuss further these points. This will truly make for good comparison as looking at a page of words is good, with ideas but does not always translate to screen the same way. and if we had 4 or 5 different low res takes on the end structure we would see so many more possibiilities and what is working well and amalgamate these ideas into a whole.

As for the beginiing either we try somthing new or we go back to the original structure? I think we should be daring and try new before we write this off without trying I've seen ROTJ before.....

That is very good... I like it, it solves alot IMO.. Perhaps you have nailed what we've been looking for as a solution.

trying to remember what point that the emporers scene comes in at..... after tattooine in the original  I think?

so what fills in that gap then now? it's the Old Chinease Puzzle again eh....Luke and Falcon depart and then we cut straight to Meeting up wityh the fleet again there is no transition timing.....

^^^We really seem to butt heads a lot, Ronster.  I certainly don't want to destroy ROTJ.  I also certainly don't want to make a completely different movie.  Have you seen Adywan's edit of ANH?  It's the exact same as the original...only...just plain better.  In my mind, we can make subtle alterations to ROTJ and still tell the same story, only just plain better.  Besides, if we are successful with a first, more moderate take, we now have several resources at our disposal to try a more radical take.

I just finished going through the entire thread and gathering every single suggestion of significance, including things like music suggestions.  I've reread everything you've written.  I'm starting to like your ideas of the plans making it to the Rebellion better, even though I must say with complete honesty that I don't like your concept of their execution.  If the team agrees, we can work on an opening scene stealing the plans, and another later where they are delivered to the Rebellion.  The best part of including these scenes would be that they leave enough ambiguity as to wonder what's going on, but it all gets explained when Mon Mothma gives the battle briefing.  We don't have to see these characters again, and we don't have to film too much.  I still worry about how to take care of it in a technical manner, but I'm starting to believe in it more.  I'm going to try to put it up for a vote today or tomorrow.  Wait till then, and we can begin working on the "how" if the majority like the idea.

Ronster, I want you to remember how this project started.  Several people volunteered their skills at a certain aspect.  I had ideas for the story, and after giving others the opportunity, I finally volunteered to actually mash out a basic storyline.  Enter Ronster, who comes along with a great deal of passion and provides so many suggestions and in some cases becomes somewhat demanding that we take his ideas.  You see, I have offered ideas and a script.  But I've given up on my own hopes when clearly not everyone agreed, and this script is by no means a final draft.  After we debate several points, we'll redo the script somewhat.  But it's a team effort, and I am currently (and only temporarily, because I can't keep up with work and school while contributing so much) spearheading this part of the effort.  You seem to think that because you feel strongly about something but because no one else does (or because I don't), we're blowing you off.

Let's do the vote, see what carries, see what fails, rewrite the script, and go from there.  In the end, you may be able to make an ROTJ exactly the way you like it, but we probably will all have to wait for that until after we've all created an ROTJ that is improved, created by compromise, and that we can later tinker with on our own or as a part 2 to this project.

I hope this doesn't offend.  I just want to keep your ideas and hopefully unwind you a bit.

PS I'm working on my redone ending, so hang on for a couple more days there.  Even all this typing takes time for an employed husband and father of 3.

ray_afraid said:

Haven't read through this entire thread, so I hope I'm not retreading to much water, but here's my idea for the opening of ROTJ that I posted in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I think you can follow...

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star.

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

Cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new lightsaber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then ignites his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that scene, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi.", leave out Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had, Luke takes off in the X-Wing and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there. This all gives plenty of time between seeing Luke leave Dagobah and his arrival at Jabbas palace.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?

I really like this as well.  This may be a fantastic compromise between my ideas and the hopes of the rest of the folks.  I'll include this opening in the upcoming vote, and I think this will actually be the one that gets my vote.

Darth Ender you've done alot of good work! Don't give up....

I am a practical person and not afraid to say things how I see them and I hope I do not offend you either, but if this Edit is going to be good then we are going to have to thrash this out one way or another, but all ideas need to be visualised or descriptive and encompassing without hindering progress.

I am doing my best and hope to inspire others, not neccasarily my ideas, I need help on them and other people to develop them or even ditch them.

Keep that script.... I feel we need some Rough Cuts of the begining and end of ROTJ amalgamate these low res cuts with change listing and go from there and people will see the script differently also. After the rough cuts review go back and doctor the script after people give their views / vote then we make final cut kepping the more popular choices.

we need another persons rough cut structure or 2.... We cannot all be wrong and we cannot all be right but somwhere between us all "the best" it could be found.

I don't like ditching ideas before they have been fully explored... and it is too soon to vote IMO.

Sorry if you think I am pushing you but, I am doing so for good reason no pressure but yeah I am pushing you, but not to get my ideas in the final cut.

for instance Ray_afraids idea is really good but what do you put in the place of where the emporer arrives at DSII it solves one problem yet to cause another later on. So I will leave it there for now and hope you understand me, when I say things are not quite right yet, and we need and all encompassing solution or revert back to the original structure for the begining

I'm sorry, but we've got more ideas than you realize floating around.  I'm putting the vote up now, and we can hold more votes later.

IMPORTANT: WHEN YOU PM ME, YOU EITHER MUST SPLIT YOUR MESSAGE INTO TWO, OR YOU MAY JUST USE THE NUMBERS, OTHERWISE PART OF YOUR VOTE WILL GET CUT OFF BY THE CHARACTER LIMIT IN THE PMs.

These are the items that are coming up for a vote.  I went through the whole thread and tried to grab everything of significance and who first suggested the idea.  There’s a good chance I overlooked something, and I’m sure we’ll have more ideas and votes to come, but if we can at least get much of this done, we can then begin working on the actual movie, including special effects, new filming, and basic editing.  I’ve decided to include this list on the thread so everyone can see what is up for vote and avoid putting a large PM in your box.  If you’ve ever commented in the thread, you should see a PM with a link to this particular comment.  I can’t have everyone in the world vote who hasn’t contributed thus far, so if you want a voice in future votes, get active in the thread.

Please send your vote via PM in order to avoid affecting or being affected by the votes of others.  I will tally them all fairly and include names of who voted for what so you can make sure I accurately counted your votes. 

You will have one week from today to PM me your vote, or else it will not be counted.  You need not vote on every item (or anything!) if you don’t want to.  As of this posting, I encourage anyone who feels strongly about certain ideas to lobby hardcore for them to explain to others why they should support your ideas.

As a final note, I want you to vote with your heart.  In other words, I want you to vote for what you really like, even if it seems very difficult to pull off.  This vote is not permanently binding on the story of course, because we may find we can’t pull off some of these ideas, but if the majority wants to go with a certain direction, this vote should encourage us to greatly explore that route above all others before we give up on it.

So without further ado, please give a Y/N answer on the many following issues:

Length:

1. At least 120 minutes to avoid too short a film – DominicCobb

Music:

1. Across the Stars (end credits): Ronster; (Luke/Leia moments, elsewhere in film) – MrInsaneA
2. Death Star Theme (Vader’s approach to DSII) – darth_ender
3. Swing Swing Swing in place of Lapti Nek/Jedi Rocks – fishmanlee
4. Duel of the Fates (space battle) – MrInsaneA
5. Stick with ’97 celebration music as opposed to Yub Nub - DominicCobb
6. Lapti Nek instead of Jedi Rocks (but with SE footage) - Ronster

Coruscant:

1. Opening scene stealing DSII info on surface – Vladius
2. Endor is a moon of Coruscant – Vladius
3. Blow up or threaten to blow up Coruscant – ben_danger
4. Move final Luke/Vader confrontation to Coruscant surface – ben_danger, Ronster

Opening/Early scenes:

1. Opening scene stealing DSII and trying to flee in ship, pursued by star destroyer, escape pod landing on planet surface – Ronster
2. Opening on Dagobah with minimal alterations to that scene, then on to Vader’s arrival at DSII, then on to Tatooine – darth_ender
3. Opening with Vader arriving at DSII, then on to Dagobah, then on to Tatooine. – MrInsaneA
4. Open with Executor near DSII, Vader mentally contacts Luke, Luke is in cave on Dagobah, back to DSII and Vader arrives, back to Dagobah – ray_afraid
5. Include Boushh (later we discover it’s Leia) as bounty hunter helping steal DSII info – timdiggerm
6. DSII should be no where near Coruscant – timdiggerm
7. Include a scene somewhere between Dagobah and Tatooine that shows the DSII info being delivered to the Alliance, either to Mon Mothma or just to a ship – Ronster
8. Include a scene as padding after Luke parts ways after rescuing Han where he goes back to Dagobah and goes to the Dark Side Cave – Ronster
9. Luke flies through Beggar’s Canyon as he arrives at Tatooine – Ronster
10. Luke’s conversation with Obi-Wan takes place in Obi-Wan’s hut – Ronster (original idea by Bingowings)

Tatooine/Rescuing Han:

1. Luke uses the Force to close the Rancor gate, or at least to hurl the skull – DominicCobbm, darth_ender
2. Remove the Sarlaac beak but keep the SE tentacles – Ronster
3. Cut Max Rebo’s band (still include music, but don’t show them) – darth_ender

Vader:

1. Show a stronger Vader, not such a pushover to the Emperor (unspecified how) – darth_ender
2. Obi-Wan communicates with Vader – Mithrandir
3. A quicker-to-violence with underlings, still subservient to Emperor Vader - Mithrandir

Boba Fett:

1. Cut out Fett completely – doubleofive, fishmanlee
2. Luke kills Fett, decapitates him – jonathan7, Ronster
3. Han deliberately hits Boba Fett’s jetpack – Vladius (originally mentioned by Spence)
4. More Boba Fett action, i.e. flamethrower, jetting out of Sarlaac’s mouth, etc. – Ronster
5. Fett delivers DS info to Rebellion (as treachery, or as an independent contractor) – Vladius
6. Boba Fett survives the destruction of Jabba’s barge - timdiggerm
7. Boba Fett allows Jabba’s death to take over his criminal empire - Mithrandir

Ewoks:

1. Make them tougher by cutting cute actions, redubbing with more aggressive sounds – darth_ender
2. Give them vampire-like fangs – Ronster
3. Ewoks actually use more language – aalenfae
4. Remove Wicket’s first encounter with Leia to add mystery – DominicCobb
5. Show Ewoks with stormtrooper helmets in village – darth_ender (from SSWR)

Relationships:

1. Cut indications of Han’s jealousy, as this was taken care of in ESB – Ronster
2. Cut Luke telling Leia they are siblings (but not Obi-Wan telling Luke) - Ronster

Battle of Endor:

1. Concentrate the various cuts, focusing first on action on DSII, then cover the surface battle, then cover the space battle, instead of jumping between the three – Ronster
2. Include many more ships, including more Mon Cal cruisers and Victory-class star destroyers – darth_ender
3. Include General Madine scenes, and have his Mon Cal cruiser be the first destroyed by the DSII - DominicCobb

Executor:

1. A-wing fires missile at bridge - DominicCobb
2. Y-wing uses bombs on Executor – Angel

Lando:

1. Let him die in DSII explosion – darth_ender, Ronster
2. Let him live as in original film – MrInsaneA
3. Make it appear as if he dies at first, then show later that he survives – aalenfae

Ending:

1. Anakin’s Force ghost appears at pyre scene instead of with Yoda and Obi-Wan – darth_ender
2. Put pyre scene at very end, after celebrations – darth_ender (Spence’s idea)
3. Remove Anakin’s ghost completely – Ronster, DominicCobb
4. Pyre scene takes place on Tatooine instead of Endor
5. Remove celebrations throughout galaxy, only showing them on Endor

darth_ender said:

^^^We really seem to butt heads a lot, Ronster.  I certainly don't want to destroy ROTJ.  I also certainly don't want to make a completely different movie.  Have you seen Adywan's edit of ANH?  It's the exact same as the original...only...just plain better.  In my mind, we can make subtle alterations to ROTJ and still tell the same story, only just plain better.  Besides, if we are successful with a first, more moderate take, we now have several resources at our disposal to try a more radical take.

Yes It is amazing, but unfortunatley ANH and ESB are better films than ROTJ but I would like to believe it can be just as good as the other 2... And It will take something radical to bring it on par with the other 2 films, even Adywan knows this.....

Like you said there are alot of ideas floating in limbo but whatever the ideas that get voted in even if they don't work and we have to try somthinng else we should try the rough cut amalgamation for structure then finalise the script as per the best cuts / sequences and make a final collective cut = final script.

This is the hardest nut of the trilogy to crack, and were not doing too badly, it is nothing like the other 2 and is far more complex we have our work cut out.

ray_afraid said:

Haven't read through this entire thread, so I hope I'm not retreading to much water, but here's my idea for the opening of ROTJ that I posted in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I think you can follow...

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star.

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

Cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new lightsaber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then ignites his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that scene, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi.", leave out Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had, Luke takes off in the X-Wing and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there. This all gives plenty of time between seeing Luke leave Dagobah and his arrival at Jabbas palace.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?

This would be my ideal opening.