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The Apple Falls Far

Well the whole point of SOMETHING falling is to just establish dramatic effect. Like "Dude! Luke's super high up hanging on to that upside down antenna thing cos we saw that thing drop to who know where!" In this case the ambiguity comes with just one blurry object falling which people would naturally assume is Luke's hand/lightsaber because it was the only other object that fell off the same remote area which possibly establishes continuity as to what happens to the hand/saber.

If it's one random object then there will be speculation forever as to what the heck it is. So why not make it multiple piece of debris establishing it's just some random crap being ejected from Cloud City? Sneak in the hand with saber in it for the fun of it and so everyone's happy. =D 

& so we have "the great exhaust vent/Weather vain debate"

Sorry to bring up the Hoth panels again, but I found this and it might be pretty cool to see

It could be neat, It doesn't have to be in your face, but just somewhere.

Angel, there's definitely some scale/ positioning problems with the hatch you have added. Maybe this pic will help (just click on the image to see it full size)

I think Star Wars should be completely devoid of any transparent, floating, 3D projection computer interfaces.  I cannot stress how much I HATE those things.  It seems like every science fiction movie that's come out in the last decade just falls back on that concept, with no attempt at originality.  I'll take a computer like Mother from Alien over any TF3DPCI (like my new acronym?) any day of the week... at least it felt like a real computer.

I don't know if Ady can do anything to remove/tone down some of those floating GUIs in the prequels, but I'd cringe if one found its way into the OT.  As far as I'm concerned, holographic technology in the Star Wars universe should be limited to visual projections only (i.e., recordings, schematics) not user interfaces like in the above picture.

corellian77 said:

I think Star Wars should be completely devoid of any transparent, floating, 3D projection computer interfaces.  I cannot stress how much I HATE those things.  It seems like every science fiction movie that's come out in the last decade just falls back on that concept, with no attempt at originality.  I'll take a computer like Mother from Alien over any TF3DPCI (like my new acronym?) any day of the week... at least it felt like a real computer.

I don't know if Ady can do anything to remove/tone down some of those floating GUIs in the prequels, but I'd cringe if one found its way into the OT.  As far as I'm concerned, holographic technology in the Star Wars universe should be limited to visual projections only (i.e., recordings, schematics) not user interfaces like in the above picture.

I think they're kinda cool but unnecessary... It would take away from what's going on during the movie and would clutter the frame. In real life I would love to have on of those Tony Stark computer on the window-like touch interfaces but for ESB it's not needed. Very nice render though.

Sluggo said:

Monroville said:

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Of course, you'd have to wonder who made the poor design of putting an antenna for things to get caught on right below a disposal hatch... You would think that when Luke falls onto the antenna, there would already be some clothes and junk hanging off that thing from previous door openings...

It's an exhaust vent, not a garbage disposal hatch.   It wouldn't be designed for bits to fall out, so the placement of the vane isn't a big deal.

Well, the problem here is that if it was an exhaust vent, there would be a grate, as opposed to a physical door that opens and closes.  The only thing that would serve would be to eject hard objects, as any sort of gaseous waste could go out... well, a vent.

Even in the case of a vent for waste gases, it would still seem odd that you would have an antenna so close to something that could spew toxic chemicals out and damage your antenna...

corellian77 said:

I cannot stress how much I HATE those things.  It seems like every science fiction movie that's come out in the last decade just falls back on that concept, with no attempt at originality.  I'll take a computer like Mother from Alien over any TF3DPCI (like my new acronym?) any day of the week... at least it felt like a real computer.

Corelian77: I agree to a degree...

It DOES seem to be the "go to" idea for modern sci-fi, but you could say every decade had it's generic sci-fi appearance too:

From the 20's to the 50's, sci-fi had that "mad scientist, FLASH GORDON look to everything"

From the 50's to the early 80's, sci-fi had the realistic, practical look, which shifted from the clean but functional NASA look (with DESTINATION: MOON and 2001) to the lived-in with grease look (STAR WARS and ALIEN).  And let's not forget about the switches... and I mean LOTS of switches.

From the 80's to the, um, 80's, everything had the neon red laser light thingie (LAST STARFIGHTER, AIRPLANE 2, BUCK ROGERS) and a nice polish to it, with the exception of those things still carrying on the 70's grime tradition (TERMINATOR, BLADE RUNNER, ALIENS).

Now that we have computer graphics, one can only think of what else can be done to show people interacting with computers that is beyond what we have today... thus, MINORITY REPORT, the new STAR TREK, etc.

Keep in mind that (of all movies) THE BLACK HOLE in a way started that trend with the 3-D holographic space vessel projector, so even back then (in the far, far time of 1980) FX artists were thinking about it, but just couldn't pull it off as convincingly (or generically)

BTW, you're probably going to hate my ALIEN edit ... >:)

corellian77 said:

I think Star Wars should be completely devoid of any transparent, floating, 3D projection computer interfaces.  I cannot stress how much I HATE those things.  It seems like every science fiction movie that's come out in the last decade just falls back on that concept, with no attempt at originality.  I'll take a computer like Mother from Alien over any TF3DPCI (like my new acronym?) any day of the week... at least it felt like a real computer.

I don't know if Ady can do anything to remove/tone down some of those floating GUIs in the prequels, but I'd cringe if one found its way into the OT.  As far as I'm concerned, holographic technology in the Star Wars universe should be limited to visual projections only (i.e., recordings, schematics) not user interfaces like in the above picture.

I wasn't really showing it for Prequel holoscreen purposes. I was actually thinking it could be a basis for the Plexiglass upgrade. I was attached to the design, not it's floating transparentness.

Here's a personal anecdote about the random falling object / Luke's hand / broken vane piece:

I was watching ESB with my 7 year-old son a few weeks ago. When the whatever-it-was fell down, my son was very confused. He asked what fell, and I didn't have a good answer for him. I told him it was Luke's jacket. I know it wasn't, but it always seemed to look like an empty jacket falling.

Granted, confusing a 7 year-old is not that hard, but this is a good example of how the unknown object somewhat ruins the impact of the scene. Half your brain is thinking "whoa, that's a long drop", and the other half of your brain is thinking "wtf was THAT?"

Some kind of brief shot of Luke knocking part of the vane off (with his hand, butt, etc.) would go a long way to fixing this.

My humble 2 cents.

As I understand it, most holographic displays that we see are inherently transparent because of the technology used to create them, because there is no other good reason to make them so. (Of course, we know that the out-of-universe explanation is the Rule of Cool.)

EyeShotFirst 

I wasn't really showing it for Prequel holoscreen purposes. I was actually thinking it could be a basis for the Plexiglass upgrade. I was attached to the design, not it's floating transparentness.

Ahh.... so it is like the interactive hologram projectors from Iron Man. I like those. =D

adywan said:

Angel, there's definitely some scale/ positioning problems with the hatch you have added. Maybe this pic will help (just click on the image to see it full size)

Wow, where the sith did you find this picture Ady?
I dig everywhere to find that kind of picture, buying every making of books, and I don't remember seeing that one!?!? It's awsome

(And Ady, I know you already stated you won't change this scene, so bear with us while we keep talking about it as it has started here…)

Monroville said:

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I understand that this shot is done at an angle to show the entire door.. it doesn't necessarily mean that the entire underbelly of CC is angled like this.

Just to be clear, I wasn't pretending otherwise, even considering  the picture above it could still just be for technical reasons, I agree with you on that.
But on the other hand I do maintain the under-city is tilted (it's a pretty damn obvious fact, isn't it?) plus the tilting would solve Luke falling on the antenna.
So, everyone, wouldn't the whole scene be more consistent, logical and cool like this?:

savmagoett said:

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adywan said:

It's a section of the vane. Sometimes things don't need to be made obvious to the audience. That was a huge problem, as i have said before, with the PT - everything was explained too much. But i've never believed that it was Lukes hand/saber becausse that would have been thrown out of the city a long time before and it certainly wouldn't have gone through the exact same shaft.  Luke lands pretty hard on the vane and part of it breaks off. I'm certainly not going to be making it look any clearer because it doesn't need it.

Even with that close-up shot as a proof, one could say that a piece of the vane is more logical than Luke's hand, not only because of the obvious delay problem, but also because Luke's chopped-of hand falling just at the same place Luke falls would feels to me like a bad joke, on the top of that, in the more dramatic scene in the whole saga?!?!

But I think that the matter could use some explanation nevertheless, the thing is puzzling (after all we all wandered at some point, even a 7 year old boy do (thx for that testimony Erikstormtrooper ;)

Maybe a subtle way to explain it could be to discretely put a similar piece to some of the other antenna around Luke and/or show something is broken on the antenna, some sparks and hanging wires at the tip maybe?

And BTW who said it's supposed to be a garbage exhaust? Sluggo's right it merely an vent, remember it's supposed to be a "tibana gas mine" so… "gaz"… "exhaust"… com'on guy's, don't let yourself be confused by the robot chicken ;)
and I don't find necessary to have a grate to be an exhaust vent, it doesn't disturb me, this is scifi after all…

as for why there is an antenna there, well maybe it's not an antenna, it could be some kind of sensor, monitoring the installation venting or something, anything that needs to be close to the exhaust, makes sense to me :/

BmB said:

Interesting fact: The floating "holopane" controls aren't actually science fiction any more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2yf44LNIqY

Well I'll be damned... floating 3D displays do exist!  Very cool.