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Even after effects up until cs4 had the aspect ratio resized to 1024 x 576.


Which leads me to infer that someone spotted the error and fixed it ;)

WINDVD also resized PAL widescreen to 1024 x 576 so it seems that many players use this standard


Still don't make 'em right:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/tvbranding/picturesize.shtml
http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-132378.html
http://dvd-hq.info/faq.php (third question)
http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~f76998/video/conversion/

So basically it's a big mess. Whatever you did, Ady, was obviously right because you were matching SD to HD. Unless the HD footage doesn't really have square pixels... quick, someone get me the exact dimensions of Mark Hamill's face! (edit: both of 'em)

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Jaitea said:

Here's some more images of the new 1/144 Fine-molds Falcon, (remember Ady bought the 1/72 FM Falcon at an extortionate price)

Its pretty well detailed, don't really know how much it will be though.

http://www.finemolds.co.jp/SW/SW11.html


 

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Assuming 4395 and 4700 down at the bottom are Japanese Yen prices, then it works out to about $50 US.

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yeh, it's really strange DE.  Something i did find interesting when looking in photoshop cs3

About the HD Star Wars, i would have agreed with you about the possibility that the ratio may be wrong from the HD caps but with a commercial DVD/ Blu-ray matching each other i'd say that the aspect ratio is indeed correct. I've seen a lot of people complain about the changes in CS4 when using 3D programs and the problems the new ratio standards adobe have implemented have caused.They have used the other standard for all these years then implemented it for CS4 and they surely did mess up with CS4 as a lot of people will testify

Anyway, whichever one is correct the only one that i need is the one that is correct for my edits, and working with 1024 x 576 originally worked perfectly, and upscaling any DVD sourced  footage to 720p still works perfectly for me too using that calculation.

With HD being square pixel and on a TV that produces a 1:1 1920 x 1080 picture the aspect ratio is correct. So when you upscale a DVD to HD and the pixels match perfectly doesn't that mean that the correct ratio of a widescreen DVD is in fact 1024x576. The square pixel ratio remains the same through these scalings: 1920x1080 > 1280x720 > 1024x576 then if a 720x576 image was stretched to 1050x576 it would cause the image to be slightly distorted, even if it is only stretched horizontally by 26 pixels

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Dorian Gray? I assume you mean the 2009 version, which I just found out exists. :p I've only seen the 1945 version, which I quite liked!

Any ETA on when the workmen will be done? Also, how would you rate their work ethic? Haha.

yes, the 2009 version. ETA on the work being done is now 2nd april, which i'm really hoping that they finish before then because i have got the Star Wars concert that day and as i have to stay at the flat while the workmen are there i won't be able to get there in time. But there are 7 different contractors working on this, which i find really stupid. so if one of them doesn't turn up on time it delays the rest. They were supposed to have started putting the new kitchen units in today but they never turned up and now it turns out they haven't ordered enough units as they only have the old work plan. But the plumber has been brilliant for me. My token gas meter was inside the one cupboard tucked behind the door on the floor so it has been really difficult for me to get down to it with my back problems. Even though he was supposed to have left it where it was he bullshitted to the housing association that he has to remove it to install the new gas piping and place it in a different place. So now it is above waist height which is perfect for me.  The electricians, again, have the old plan and have wired the plugs in the wrong place in the kitchen for my fridge and have just disappeared. They are not coming back until friday which has delayed the plasterer because all the rest of the flat has to be rewired.

Everything use to run so much smoother before everything was subcontracted. When i worked for the council we rewired a whole 2 story house and installed a whole central heating system in 2 days. why the hell is it taking over 2 weeks to do this job? most of the time i'm just having to wait in for someone to arrive and out of the whole of today only the plumber arrived bad he was here for 3 hours, but my whole day was wasted

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Reminds me of when I used to work in quality control. We'd do it one way, then a bigwig would come downa nd say 'you're letting too many through,' so we'd have to re-examine everything. Then another guy would come and say 'you're not letting through enough,' so we had to re-examine the same stuff again. It was very frustrating dealing with a gigantic company where no one knew what anyone else was doing.

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yeh, it's really strange DE.  Something i did find interesting when looking in photoshop cs3

About the HD Star Wars, i would have agreed with you about the possibility that the ratio may be wrong from the HD caps but with a commercial DVD/ Blu-ray matching each other i'd say that the aspect ratio is indeed correct. I've seen a lot of people complain about the changes in CS4 when using 3D programs and the problems the new ratio standards adobe have implemented have caused.They have used the other standard for all these years then implemented it for CS4 and they surely did mess up with CS4 as a lot of people will testify

Anyway, whichever one is correct the only one that i need is the one that is correct for my edits, and working with 1024 x 576 originally worked perfectly, and upscaling any DVD sourced  footage to 720p still works perfectly for me too using that calculation.

With HD being square pixel and on a TV that produces a 1:1 1920 x 1080 picture the aspect ratio is correct. So when you upscale a DVD to HD and the pixels match perfectly doesn't that mean that the correct ratio of a widescreen DVD is in fact 1024x576. The square pixel ratio remains the same through these scalings: 1920x1080 > 1280x720 > 1024x576 then if a 720x576 image was stretched to 1050x576 it would cause the image to be slightly distorted, even if it is only stretched horizontally by 26 pixels

Ripplin said:

Dorian Gray? I assume you mean the 2009 version, which I just found out exists. :p I've only seen the 1945 version, which I quite liked!

Any ETA on when the workmen will be done? Also, how would you rate their work ethic? Haha.

yes, the 2009 version. ETA on the work being done is now 2nd april, which i'm really hoping that they finish before then because i have got the Star Wars concert that day and as i have to stay at the flat while the workmen are there i won't be able to get there in time. But there are 7 different contractors working on this, which i find really stupid. so if one of them doesn't turn up on time it delays the rest. They were supposed to have started putting the new kitchen units in today but they never turned up and now it turns out they haven't ordered enough units as they only have the old work plan. But the plumber has been brilliant for me. My token gas meter was inside the one cupboard tucked behind the door on the floor so it has been really difficult for me to get down to it with my back problems. Even though he was supposed to have left it where it was he bullshitted to the housing association that he has to remove it to install the new gas piping and place it in a different place. So now it is above waist height which is perfect for me.  The electricians, again, have the old plan and have wired the plugs in the wrong place in the kitchen for my fridge and have just disappeared. They are not coming back until friday which has delayed the plasterer because all the rest of the flat has to be rewired.

Everything use to run so much smoother before everything was subcontracted. When i worked for the council we rewired a whole 2 story house and installed a whole central heating system in 2 days. why the hell is it taking over 2 weeks to do this job? most of the time i'm just having to wait in for someone to arrive and out of the whole of today only the plumber arrived bad he was here for 3 hours, but my whole day was wasted

 

Sorry to hear about the delays Ady. Lets hope that they improve your flat in the end.

Hmmmm... reminds me of another project that is taking a long time and improving something...... J/K ;)

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Okay... as far as I am aware it's 1024 x 576. I have been editing for many many years and when working in PAL Widescreen it has only ever been this for me. I have always however worked with Adobe and one thing I would note is this. Sometimes video in the 16x9 format have black handles at the horizontal sides of the picture. This could explain the issue with the ratio differences? Black handles are sometimes added specifically so that nothing from the side of the picture is masked off when viewed on TV which naturally cuts off the edges of the picture (hence action and title safe areas). Now that everything is moving towards HD, handles are no longer being used it seems even on SD widescreen footage.

 

That probably doesn't clear it up... but that's my two cents anyway!

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Just sticking my oar in re. the AR discussion - Citizen's ARCT has a checkbox that you can use to decide whether or not you want to comply with the ITU standards. 1920 x 1080 HD video with square (1:1) pixels downsizes to 16:9 PAL as 702x576 if you follow standards, or 720x576 if you don't.

I really don't think it matters too much either way - aspect ratio errors on old CRT displays could easily be much higher than the 2.5%, and I suspect many modern displays don't scale things perfectly either. Is a 2.5% error noticeable? How much "error" do you get when your display isn't orientated at exactly 90° to your viewing position?

It'd be interesting to check the dimensions of the test cards on DVE, or the THX optimizer, to see whether the circles displayed follow standards or not...

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Ady, I'm assuming that by "Star Wars concert" you're referring to the one with the video montages accompanying the music while being narrated by Anthony Daniels?  If so, enjoy -- I saw it a few months back and loved it.

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corellian77 said:

Ady, I'm assuming that by "Star Wars concert" you're referring to the one with the video montages accompanying the music while being narrated by Anthony Daniels?  If so, enjoy -- I saw it a few months back and loved it.

 I know someone who saw it about 15 hours ago. He loved it too ;)

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Moth3r said:

Just sticking my oar in re. the AR discussion

Was that an original aspect ratio pun, Moth3r?  If so, it was very slickly done. :-)

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So when you upscale a DVD to HD and the pixels match perfectly doesn't that mean that the correct ratio of a* widescreen DVD is in fact 1024x576.


True, but only if by "a" you mean "this particular" ;) I guess this is just the way they do things these days (ignoring what is admittedly an archaic and outdated - but still valid - standard), but if you find a DVD with thin black bars at left/right, that'll be NAB and you should definitely take it into account in that case.

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Take some art/wallpaper while waiting for ESB:R :)

Right Click--> View image for full rez ;)

(notice: The design of the city was based on TFU not from the movie.. i find it more good looking)

Thanks to my 3d max :D

 

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vaderios said:

Take some art/wallpaper while waiting for ESB:R :)

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Thanks to my 3d max :D

 

-Angel

 

... Unfortunately the perspective is wrong.

Oh, yeah. 3DSMax will surely make you a perfect theoric perspective view... But visually wrong.

 

Besides, following Adywan's idea in a recent post, I'd say you can't call every trick you show with the name of art... And perhaps I'm not good in English enough to give the tone showing how much this pisses me off too !!!

 

 

 

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Well considering that and taking reference the original schematics, when luke is on the antenna the bottom of cloud city(the top from our pov) should be tilted and not straight ;)

 

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Beware that 3D and calculations don't make you too cerebral.

Art, however, can help you achieve such a work. ;)

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vaderios said:

Well considering that and taking reference the original schematics, when luke is on the antenna the bottom of cloud city(the top from our pov) should be tilted and not straight ;)
-Angel

yes I thought about the same thing, although there are possible camera angles which could give such POV, but a titled city underneath would be an improvement :)

you should try some mockups to see what it would look like ;)
maybe add the pylon in the frame…

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Yes.. a bit artwork might help

Something like this for example..

Also see some schematics about the two cloud cities

 

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Ripplin said:

Why did they make Cloud City so different for the game? Just for aesthetics' sake?

This is an interesting pov Ripplin how a retro design can be modernized to our days.. meaning that the bulky one can be more slick and delicate. Plus the game version has the super structure be enormous compare the original one. just see how small are the buildings in the TFU one ;)

That also brings the fact that how some slick designs of PT can be more retro and bulky like OT. An interesting task :)

 

Also also in some shots Cloud city seems to be a bit more squeezed compare the schematics. not a problem tho, it looks more good ;)

 

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The towers at the top of the original C.C. show up a lot more than on the TFU one. When (if?) you see it up close, did they sort of flatten everything to match the curve at the top, or are they mostly gone? I kinda like the towers, as it's like a city on top of a city.

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Ripplin said:

 I kinda like the towers, as it's like a city on top of a city.

True. YOu have to zoom/fly close to the city section to see them, but i get your point ;)

Also Compare:

Original,

TFU

and Schematics squeezed/flatten

Also considering the angled image, after a talk with johnny ringo he pointed that the antennas should be straight vertical to the angled roof to avoid weird entanglements :P

 

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PS: Isnt Asteroidman who wanted the new Cloud city?

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i think it was. btw, great work. i think that would be cool to see the falcon approaching at that angle

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This is something interesting.

I run a timezone thing in max and here is the results.

I put two opposed angles to cover more lightning, color and shadows behavior.

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