thanks i will have to look into it
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
Ady's using Sony Vegas for editing, as I recall, thus I'm pretty sure he's using Sony DVD Architect for authoring (DVDA is bundled with Vegas; it isn't sold seprately). I use the same suite myself, and it's trivial to make menu buttons out of text in DVDA.
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Less than a week after my warning, the thread turns to shit again.
Listen guys, if you have a problem with fanedit.org take it up with them - don't bring it over here.
And Janskeet - you're banned. Don't come back.
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Moth3r said:*Sighs*
Less than a week after my warning, the thread turns to shit again.
Listen guys, if you have a problem with fanedit.org take it up with them - don't bring it over here.
And Janskeet - you're banned. Don't come back.
Well, it is a lot easier to ask people who have tried the downloads, and know how to use them best.....
There should really be an official website.
It would certainly help reduce some of the "no brainer" questions.
goonar said:Moth3r said:*Sighs*
Less than a week after my warning, the thread turns to shit again.
Listen guys, if you have a problem with fanedit.org take it up with them - don't bring it over here.
And Janskeet - you're banned. Don't come back.
Well, it is a lot easier to ask people who have tried the downloads, and know how to use them best.....
There should really be an official website.
It would certainly help reduce some of the "no brainer" questions.
Not smart. If you have anything to say to Moth3r, I'd do it via a PM.
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goonar said:There should really be an official website.
It would certainly help reduce some of the "no brainer" questions.
For this sort of thing, that sort of thing is a bad idea. Even though the desired material is the stuff adywan worked hard to make, the actual film itself is still a copyrighted work representing the money and efforts of the people it belongs to. No one has the right to give it away for free. Within the fanediting community, there is an understanding that one should own an original retail copy of the edited film before downloading.
This sort of thing is much easier to keep running smoothly when existing slightly under the surface of the internet. An official site, boldly advertising the existence of this edit, and inviting every Tom, Dick, and Harry to come and download it while explaining to them exactly how to go about doing so is a very good way to draw negative attention.
Right now fanediting is a small community of hobbists trying things out and passing their efforts on to one another. The bigger and more noticable it gets, the more it looks to outsider like a bunch of pirates just wanting free movies. Fanedits.com, and the links provider therein really have all the information one needs to find what they are looking for.
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C3PX, you're right in that this sort of fan community is safest when it operates on a sort of private level. But none of us should ever make the mistake of thinking this is any less illegal. The penalties for copyright infringement are enormous, something no-one would want to face. Over on fan edit, the disclaimer about owning a copy of the original before you up or download any of the fan edits really is redundant. It's redundant because the links are not private. Fan editors sharing between themselves when they all have the original is one thing, but anyone can download from the site, and fanedit.org could get itself in a lot of trouble. I'd hate to see that happen and I don't want people getting in trouble out of naivete, but the site is illegal.
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C3PX, you're right in that this sort of fan community is safest when it operates on a sort of private level. But none of us should ever make the mistake of thinking this is any less illegal. The penalties for copyright infringement are enormous, something no-one would want to face. Over on fan edit, the disclaimer about owning a copy of the original before you up or download any of the fan edits really is redundant. It's redundant because the links are not private. Fan editors sharing between themselves when they all have the original is one thing, but anyone can download from the site, and fanedit.org could get itself in a lot of trouble. I'd hate to see that happen and I don't want people getting in trouble out of naivete, but the site is illegal.
1. Completely off topic
2. Didn't you read what Moth3r just said? If you have a problem with fanedit.org tell them. All your scary pseudo-legal talk doesn't scare anybody.
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Mr Ghostface said:But none of us should ever make the mistake of thinking this is any less illegal.
I must have missed the part where someone suggested it was. This is really a non-issue. We don't support piracy here, and are very picky about the kinds of projects we will even allow discussion for. There is nothing illegal that goes on at OT. We mostly do preservations of work that are not commercially available. Any discussion of pirated material gets the attention of the mods real fast. It is also weird fe.org keeps poping up in conversation, they are not us. Two completely different entities. Whatever they do does not concern us in the least. We couldn't care less what kind of trouble those self important jokers get themselves into.
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Blimey, I why is everyone around here so touchy? You can hardly call what I put off-topic, considering it's entirely relevant to the very fan edits we're discussing. And to the poster before last, I wasn't trying to scaremonger, I was just being pragmatic.
Wow.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be touchy.
The mention of fe.org will do that around here. As mentioned before, we are not them. This site has nothing to do with that site. What stupid leagal things they do is none of our concern. They have been taken down a couple of times in the past, and likely, will be taken down again.
They have also managed to turn the whole fanediting thing into a total fart smelling fest. How they go on about who the best faneditor is and give out awards and have contests and pat each other on the back for having turned a Hollywood piece of turd into a hacked up and now nonsensical, but supposedly more artsy and "darker" (it is all about the darkerness. Darker = better), piece of turd with their own title and names in the credits. Pure genius... blah! Mostly just making worthless films into even more worthless films, and thinking they are showing Hollywood a thing or two while they are at it.
So, as I said, they do dumb things we do not support, and we don't want to be associated with them at all.
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C3PX said:we don't want to be associated with them at all.
"We" don't? There are some great things there. Sure, they're not all winners, but the massive amount of Star Wars projects alone makes it a very worthwhile site. And the awards stuff is just for fun. I haven't noticed anyone let an award get to their head there.
Just my opinion, which is obviously very different from yours in this regard. :p
And, of course, a LOT of people have discovered the Revisited project because of that site, which still proudly promotes it all the time.
Mr Ghostface said:... You can hardly call what I put off-topic, considering it's entirely relevant to the very fan edits we're discussing.
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I still can't get over how absolutely amazing ANHR is. I have been showing my brother-in law(who doesn't watch star wars which is just blasphomey) screencaps of what ady has done and he is blown away. He was freaked out when I told him that ANH came out in 1977. So I think I gotta future star wars fan on my hands. If I have kids and George Lucas still hasn't released the theatrical versions on whatever format is out there then it is a no-brainer that I will pop out ANHR and show them what I believe is the greatest thing since the Laserdisc set.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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C3PX said:How they go on about who the best faneditor is and give out awards and have contests and pat each other on the back for having turned a Hollywood piece of turd into a hacked up and now nonsensical, but supposedly more artsy and "darker" (it is all about the darkerness. Darker = better), piece of turd with their own title and names in the credits. P
I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that 90% of those films are just attempts to cut out any humor or romance and call the film "darker and more serious."
I keep meaning to make an edit of "Star Wars" that removes all humor, romance, or anything other than barebones plot and violence. I bet it would be highly praised.
Although on topic, I showed "ANH:R" to my cousin and her husband the other night.
She, less a geek, was shocked that the film hadn't always looked that good.
He, a tad geekier, loved it, and was a huge fan fo the Duel of the Fates music especially.
I actually thought the added music in ANH:R was one of the worst elements. It doesn't fit at all. The music is neither stylistically the same as the score for A New Hope, and the scenes where it was added never needed underscoring. Adywan bemoans the travesties that were the special editions and DVD editions, but then he goes and commits some of the same "crimes" that Lucas is accused of. Don't get me wrong, Adywan has made some truly wonderful tweaks, but also loads of mistakes. He seeks to correct every tiny doscontinuity, regardless of whether it actually made any difference to the movie. Like the recolouring of R2 to red because of the positioning of the unit when the camera tracks right as they approach docking bay 94. It's just totally unnecessary. And while new sequences are technically excellent, many of them are totally undermined by a lack of spatial awareness within the frame. The big Tie reveal is an obvious example. Yes, they have been rendered really well, but the frame is crammed with them all over the place and not in a good way. The positioning of them is haphazard and uneven to the eye - not in a chaotic dogfight way, I mean the way they are framed. The electricity on the torture droid needle in Leia's cell is another example of overkill. And the scene in Ben's house no longer flows properly with the reordered shots. There was absolutely nothing wrong with that scene in the first place.
Again, the rendering of the new CG shots is really impressive, but the other "new" shots are just elements taken from other FX shots in the trilogy composited together with the occasional new element. The Death Star reveal is a prime example. The first shot of the Star Destroyer is just taken from Empire and flipped horizontally. It's obvious to anyone who knows these films. And the second or third shot where the background Star Destroyers disappear behind the Death Star when they would still be in front at that size highlights Adywan's failure to understand the scale. Add in a badly drawn planet and you've got what? 10 for effort, but really, all this praise being heaped on Adywan is a little, well, fanboyish.
As for the general trend of edits, I totally agree with your comments about the "darker" and "grittier" spin, though. And there is way, way too much back slapping by the fan editors. They all take far too much credit for the "work" they've done.
I disagree with most of your points Mr Ghostface (though I too am not much of a fan of the electro-needle I think it's one of the few things Ady isn't really happy about).
I really prefer the restored original order of the scene in Ben's Hut, to these ears it flows more naturally and makes more narrative sense (Artoo has risked life and limb to get this message to Obi-Wan so it makes sense that he would deliver the message ASAP).
It's hard to be critical of Adywan for using a flipped element of a Star Destroyer when Lucas so liberally flips whole shots in his films.
As for praise, it's not easy to breath new life into a film that is so familiar and Ady pulled it of with such aplomb adding so much in an artform that has mostly been one of subtraction that it would be frankly daft not to applaud such a landmark.
ANH:R isnt meant to be the ultimate version of Star Wars (1977) this site was set up to try and get the best possible presentation of that film. It is a much better version of the Special Edition than the one Lucas gave us in 1997 and the slightly reworked version he gave us in 2004 and as such Ady fufilled his mission statement.
If you have any suggestions as to how ANH could be adjusted further please leave your observations on this thread http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Can-anything-else-be-done-to-ANH-after-Adywan/topic/10131/
And if you haven't already done so I suggest you check out the Purist edition which has all the clean ups but less of the editions you note an objection to.
Mr Ghostface said:
Again, the rendering of the new CG shots is really impressive, but the other "new" shots are just elements taken from other FX shots in the trilogy composited together with the occasional new element. The Death Star reveal is a prime example. The first shot of the Star Destroyer is just taken from Empire and flipped horizontally. It's obvious to anyone who knows these films.
I've watched Star Wars and Empire probablly 200+ times in my largely misspent life, and I had NO IDEA that's how he did it.
Well, now you do. And every single friend of mine who watched it spotted it right away. For one thing, it still has the tint that the effects in Empire have, which is slightly blue, whereas in A New Hope the Star Destroyer shots have a warmer temperature to them, and they are very distinct. But yes, he just lifted effects from elsewhere in the trilogy and composited them together, with mixed results.
No pressure or hints to Ady, but I've been meaning to bring this up ever since I saw ANH:R...
In the scene where the Rebels are in the conference room discussing their plan of attack on the Death Star, the images on the screen are supposed to be projected by the Astromech unit standing next to R2-D2. However, all shots of the droid -- except for the one close up -- shows it with it's holo-projector light off. I a little surprised that Ady didn't fix this error.
Maybe the closeup with the holo-proj on is the mistake and the screen is a normal video screen, similar to the one on the DS that shows the path and countdown time to Yavin.
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That does make sense.
I just kinda figured that Ady would have removed the light from the second astromech, or at least zoom in and crop the shot so that only R2-D2 is in the shot.
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Well, now you do. And every single friend of mine who watched it spotted it right away. For one thing, it still has the tint that the effects in Empire have, which is slightly blue, whereas in A New Hope the Star Destroyer shots have a warmer temperature to them, and they are very distinct. But yes, he just lifted effects from elsewhere in the trilogy and composited them together, with mixed results.
As I said earllier Ady flipped an element, short of building a large scale Star Destroyer model (which was beyond his means back then but by ROTJ:R who knows?) that was all he could do.
Which is at least more creative than flipping whole shots which Lucas does again and again even in the PT.
If you can think of ways to improve on this it would make sense to post them on the thread I directed to as Ady has gone on record that he won't be doing any more versions of ANH:R other people may and indeed are building on his work in other projects in various directions and leave your comments there may help those people produce a version that you are more happy with.
Technically if you only go by Revisited, this is the first time we've seen that Star Destroyer shot, and its flipped in ESB! ;-P
I tease, but seriously, how else do you build a fleet on the cheap without reusing elements and flipping shots?
^ undoctored shot from Return of the Jedi ^
If you notice, there are only 3, maybe 4 ships in that shot. If ILM can do it, Ady can too.
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Oh, I wasn't offering suggestions for ANH:R, I was just pointing out that it's not all that special and some of the praise Adywan gets for it seems to be borne of an ignorance of how much simpler this is to do than a lot of people realise. And didn't he say that the new CG stuff isn't even his, that another guy did it. I'm not saying this to pull him down; it's more that I feel other editors don't get the same praise when their editing skills are just as good, and some of them are definitely more seamless than Adywan's.