What about the Remastered Star Trek or E.T.

Two things about the digital changes to the original series Star Trek that made it okay in my eyes:

1. Before any changes were ever done, the series was made available in good quality on DVD.

2. They made the changes with the utmost reverence to the original source material.

That's it.  Actually, all they had to do was make the original available in acceptable quality on DVD (which they did) to make me happy.  So at this point, they can do whatever they want with the series, and I'm okay with that since I already have the unmodified series in my hands.  In fact, I love what they've done, and I plan to buy the digitally enhanced series eventually when they get it out on Blu-ray.

If only George Lucas would have done the same, there would have been no real complaints from me.  The solution is so simple: put the original trilogy out in a high-quality anamorphic format, and then do what you want with the films from there on out.

--SKot

Star Trek Remastered never affected the plot, only enhanced it.  They tried to fix mistakes and redo the space effects, not make the Gorn shoot first.  Sure, some of the motion is pretty bad, but overall I think STR worked out rather well.

They had to redo the effects on star trek since all those years ago paramount dumpstered the original effects masters and elements. They could not recombine them with the HD remastered video like George lucas had done in 1997 since he saved everyone of the original elements.

I find it appaling paramount had those effects masters thrown away but they did that on almost every show and movie back in the day.

We should be thankful the original camera negatives were saved vaulted somewhere and untouched since they were shot.

Richard Edlund worked on the old star trek show so some of those effects that were dumpstered he actually worked on. He like a lot of people who worked on the show are not listed in the credits.

Darren Dochterman should have been the one to do the new effects work for trek purists, but they gave it over to cbs digital in house because that way they could streamline the process get them out quickly and on the cheap.  Me personally i wanted those guys who did the effects on the enterprise show since there effects reel was the best.  Not sure i think their name is edenfx.

monkeyjb1988 said:

doubleofive said:

Star Trek Remastered never affected the plot, only enhanced it.  They tried to fix mistakes and redo the space effects, not make the Gorn shoot first.  Sure, some of the motion is pretty bad, but overall I think STR worked out rather well.

 This is probably going to get me killed, but did Star Wars SE really change the story that much? I always thought that the stories were the same, it was just some of the effects.

The thing is that SW:SE it tried to change the story in tiny ways: Greedo shooting first, Jabba meeting Han and repeating what Greedo just said, Hayden at the end of RotJ.  Things were added to make it better fit with movies that came later.

ST:Remastered never tried to add things from any of the shows that occurred after it or before it.  One alien ship is reminiscent of the Enterprise version, but there aren't added references on the walls to Captain Archer or Phlox.  It still stands alone as "The Original Series", not part of a larger saga.

It's all abominable.  All this effort into "improving" the original films should be spent restoring them instead.  Mark my word, years from now it is the originals that will be prized, not the versions that contain tweaks done decades later.  If the original methods had matte lines, then I want to see those matte lines.  If the original used puppets, then I want to see those puppets.  These are great works of art, not playthings.  ARGH!!!

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

It's all abominable.  All this effort into "improving" the original films should be spent restoring them instead.  Mark my word, years from now it is the originals that will be prized, not the versions that contain tweaks done decades later.  If the original methods had matte lines, then I want to see those matte lines.  If the original used puppets, then I want to see those puppets.  These are great works of art, not playthings.  ARGH!!!

art and film isn't black and white (no pun intended)..................................yeah, ok, some people prefer the originals,

and some companies/film makers/artists provide that..............................

others have found a new tool in digital filmmaking, and wish to indulge in that................................let them, why not?

you can always choose to ignore it................................granted , finding originals on vhs/laserdisc, or some other

outdated medium may not be the most pleasing format or way to do it...

but also someday, people will be watching 3d , holographic versions of films (i know toy story 1,2, and 3 are all coming out in 3-d)...

and i'm sure there will be forums wishing for the 'definitive' dvd versions, which of course will be out of print, hard to find, etc.....

the cycle continues.........................i don't see it ending anytime soon either....................your fighting a losing battle, sadly..

and going back to your point.....................what do you tell all those people (and there were a lot of them), that saw the SE

versions as DEFINITIVE, and are glad they have THOSE versions on DVD, just like THEY remembered it? you can't take that

away from them can you?..........................i don't remember seeing the original bladerunner in the theater, but i saw the

directors cut, and i don't think the 'FINAL CUT' is that great either.............but thats all some people got to see in the theater,

and you can't blame them for liking that (if they did), and saying that it shouldn't be done..........

unless you're the director, producer, etc............................YOU HAVE NO SAY on what should/shouldn't be done to a film..

of course you're free to object, which i'm sure you do... 

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Quote "YOU HAVE NO SAY on what should/shouldn't be done to a film.."

Sure you do at least in the united states.

You answer and protest with your money aka your wallet by closing it tightly and never giving pukas another dime until the oot is restored.

The fans made him rich to begin with by paying to see the films, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Nor do you anger your core fanbase by giving them the finger and saying obstinately, i'll do what i want like a 2 year old.

Films and their art become a part of public record and history, if that was not the case then the library of congress would'nt be spending our tax dollars to preserve them. George Lucas is largely erasing history and rewriting it by denying a real restoration. Which would make the original versions viable for theatrical exebition as well as for home video.

As Robert Harris has stated restoring a film for home video is not preservation at all, while the original elements and negatives are not protected for the future. His restoration of the godfather was a proper restoration because it provided a new negative and to have the movies in the future to be shown on the big screen if needed. As far as i know the only version of blade runner that was restored for theatrical restoration was the final cut. So to everyone saying to the contrary the theatrical has not been restored at all for theatrical use, home video does not count even in HD.

The original superman prints and negatives are in poor shape and warners refused to restore them for theatrical exhibition, again the home video telecine does not count as preserving the film for posterity.

Warners also let the original prints on the star trek films fade, and the o-neg on the movie just like star wars is in poor shape. They think wrongly that scanning/doing a telecine for home video and color correction on computers is restoring the movie. This is false, the original elements are slowly degrading and at some point we may be never to have them again for theatrical presentation.

If lucas could get off his high horse and allow Robert Harris to go through the cold storage vaults as Lucas skywalker ranch LFL archive and fox and technicolor allow him access to their vaults to find the necessary elements to save the theatrical cuts of the films before it is too late. As it stands they can never be exhibited again in theaters, at this point even a dvd quality release of the oot is not enough if the films themselves turn to dust.

He did more harm than help to the original elements to create the special editions. Can that be undone at this point i would like to see what RAH could do to rectify the situation.

Too bad the original star wars trilogy is not an orphan film and public domain as fans could come up with the money for the restoration themselves. The government and films societies would obviously donate as well. Too bad we live in a mad world were insane people are in control and want to destroy our beloved childhood memories and favorite movies.

I'm beginning to wonder if george lucas is the devil as one poster jokingly wrote as his sig.

skyjedi2005 said:

Quote "YOU HAVE NO SAY on what should/shouldn't be done to a film.."

 

Sure you do at least in the united states.

You answer and protest with your money aka your wallet by closing it tightly and never giving pukas another dime until the oot is restored.

 

The fans made him rich to begin with by paying to see the films, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Nor do you anger your core fanbase by giving them the finger and saying obstinately, i'll do what i want like a 2 year old.

 

Films and their art become a part of public record and history, if that was not the case then the library of congress would'nt be spending our tax dollars to preserve them. George Lucas is largely erasing history and rewriting it by denying a real restoration. Which would make the original versions viable for theatrical exebition as well as for home video.

 

 

i'll address your points in slightly reverse order:

first off, i am 100% behind the idea of preservation of course, and preserving movies intact for future generations etc

and with that part, yeah its 'wrong' not to save them, but its still his property (or the studios,etc)...ok so much for that..

1) protest with our money?           how has that stopped anything?................in fact, pretty much everyone here on this board, has used their

money, and purchased multiple versions of these movies, up to and including the 'hated SE' versions, if not just to get the GOUT versions on dvd?

how much protest was there at theaters when each SE version came out? or even when the prequels came out? (another topic)....not a whole

heck of a lot., in fact most of those movies / dvds broke many records.....................i don't think there was a whole lot of protest going on then..

.......... i don't know how i found this board, but one day while doing a search, i came across something about preserving

the original trilogy, and laserdisc rips, x0 etc........and that was a few years back, i lurked for awhile, and disappeared, only when i came across

adywans edit, did i come back, join, etc................my point is that, besides here, and maybe some other fan sites, there hasn't been a whole

heck of a lot of protest online either going on now besides this board........................................whether or not fans caused Lucas to reconsider putting the GOUT on bonus discs is a moot point.................................it still added revenue to the stream of star wars releases............ and it was 'good enough' for the majority of fans that wanted

the originals in an easier to find/play format than laserdisc or vhs..................

2) once again, given the record making results of the last series of movies, the merchandise, the continued interest in star wars characters etc....

doesn't it appear he is indeed successfully continuing on with HIS vision of what HIS universe, and characters (as schizophrenic as it might seem) should

be, and what they should be doing?

there really aren't that many core  fans are there...(the ones that actually saw the originals in the theaters)........i do know there's more fans

out there NOW (and not just at TFN, which i also visit)..............that still maintain an interest in all things star wars............an outrcy from a small

group, while admirable, is sure to be drowned out the rest of the current generation of fans............and whats wrong with that? people are

growing up the the prequels, the SE versions, etc...................and are perfectly happy to go along with those, and all the new material after

that...............................................in the case of writing off the 'core fans' to win over new ones, it might have be a necessary condition

for all the future releases, projects etc to be made........................i don't think we'll ever see Lucasfilm go bankrupt in our lifetime, or ever,

as long as there are 'fan's around.................................whether its old disgruntled ones, or new generation ones....

you'll have to come up with better reasons, or a better plan, to vilify Lucas anymore................because our voices are being completely

drowned out with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

 If the original used puppets, then I want to see those puppets.  These are great works of art, not playthings.  ARGH!!!

thats funny, i read that, and thought aren't puppets actually, in fact, playthings?

ha.............................

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"you'll have to come up with better reasons, or a better plan, to vilify Lucas anymore................because our voices are being completely

drowned out with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"

That is why some people call him   Luca$H or Luca$

I agree with Puggo.  I've never seen the new E.T., but the new Star Trek stuff has never done anything but annoy me.  It just really gets on my nerves that people just can't leave these things alone.  But, as far as I can see, it really has nothing to do with fixing things or creating new masters or making things look better.  If the new Clone Wars movie has taught me anything, it's that franchises only exist to keep themselves alive as long as they possibly can.  We are never going to stop seeing new Star Trek or new Star Wars products because if they didn't keep making new products, the franchises would run out of money and die.  Eventually, fans are going to become disenchanted with this never-ending cycle of new movies/TV series.  So what do they do?  Re-release the old stuff... with new stuff in it.  Then certain older fans will come out of the woodwork because they're nostalgic for what they grew up with... but the new visual effects will warrant a new purchase.

And that's what all this so-called remastering is all about.