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(And before you jump all over me as well, I'm Christian too)
The Secret History of Star Wars — Page 2
(And before you jump all over me as well, I'm Christian too)
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And Zombie, the "book" looks great. Other fans can take the EU and cram it with walnuts. This behind the scenes stuff is much more interesting, imo. Did you address Splinter of the Minds Eye being written with it in mind for a possible low-budget sequel to Star Wars? ADF has talked about it to some degree in interviews on starwarz.com. Anyways, I've liked what I've read so far.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
I love this site!!
And Zombie, the "book" looks great. Other fans can take the EU and cram it with walnuts. This behind the scenes stuff is much more interesting, imo. Did you address Splinter of the Minds Eye being written with it in mind for a possible low-budget sequel to Star Wars? ADF has talked about it to some degree in interviews on starwarz.com. Anyways, I've liked what I've read so far.
I love this site!!
And Zombie, the "book" looks great. Other fans can take the EU and cram it with walnuts. This behind the scenes stuff is much more interesting, imo. Did you address Splinter of the Minds Eye being written with it in mind for a possible low-budget sequel to Star Wars? ADF has talked about it to some degree in interviews on starwarz.com. Anyways, I've liked what I've read so far.
Yes, that is discussed in detail.
I have updated the site with a new article--a re-evaluation of the Journal of the Whills. J.W. Rinzler, in his research for his upcoming The Making of Star Wars book, discovered a Star Wars story that predates the May 1973 synopsis.
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First off, many thanks for putting this thing together. I skimmed over it before actually sitting down and reading it. I wanted to stand up and applaud when I noticed the comparison of Anakin and the Clones' march on the Jedi Temple to the similar scene from Dune. Reason being, that section of the movie when Anakin becomes Darth Vader and Yoda senses it from the other side of the galaxy has always reminded me of the scene from the Dune movie when Paul takes the water of life and the reverend mother senses it from the other side of the galaxy. Anyway, I'm about 40 pages or so in and it's insanely interesting. I can already see you bring up Dune a number of times actually! For a little six degrees of seperation story, Rudy Wurlitzer, one of the guys who wrote Two Lane Blacktop, would later write a Dune screenplay with Ridley Scott before that folded and David Lynch became the director, true story.
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I've gotten about 91 pages into this, and I must say this is an extremely well-written work. I'm a technical writer, and I am just really impressed with your writing ability. There are a few places where I found things to be slightly repetitive, but I think your intention was to really drive home a few points.
Since this will not be published or sold, would you consider adding some pictures to a future version? For example, showing early concept drawings, pictures of The Lightning, pictures of Buster Crabbe as Buck Rodgers or Flash Gordon. I think that would really put this over the top and make it virtually indistinguishable from a real published work.
I've also read the appendix on the Journal of the Whills as well as your article on the new findings. I was wondering if this had occurred to you:
Pollock: "The story of Mace Windu, a revered Jedi-bendu of Opuchi who was related to Usby C.J. Thape, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi."
Bouzereau: "...about 'Mace Windy, a revered Jedi Bendu of Opuchi,' as told by 'C.J. Thorpe, Padawaan learner of the famed Jedi.'"
Consider that "related to Usby C.J. Thape" may not describe a relative, but instead may be just another way of saying "told to us by C.J. Thape". If this quote was originally culled from hand-written notes, I can see how "us by" may have become "Usby". So I am wondering if the Bouzereau quote is somehow more accurate, regardless of the mis-spellings.
Ultimately, I am curious if your work on this book had anything to do with your feelings of being "finished" with Star Wars, which you recently expressed in the End of Star Wars thread.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Zombie,
I've gotten about 91 pages into this, and I must say this is an extremely well-written work. I'm a technical writer, and I am just really impressed with your writing ability. There are a few places where I found things to be slightly repetitive, but I think your intention was to really drive home a few points.
In some instances, yes; in other instances it is merely the fact that i am an amature writer with no editor and no one has ever read this thing yet.
That is brilliant! I had not considered that before but it makes total sense if it is a scratchy handwritten document with all sorts of weird words. Regarding the misspellings, it seems that Rinzler indicates that Bouzereau's version may be correct--he indicates it is Mace Windy, not Mace Windu. I'm really hoping that J.W. Rinzler will go into some detail (or any kind of detail for that matter) about what the story was about so we will finally know the answer to these types of questions. At least stuff like this keeps us guessing!
Ultimately, I am curious if your work on this book had anything to do with your feelings of being "finished" with Star Wars, which you recently expressed in the End of Star Wars thread.
Zombie,
I've gotten about 91 pages into this, and I must say this is an extremely well-written work. I'm a technical writer, and I am just really impressed with your writing ability. There are a few places where I found things to be slightly repetitive, but I think your intention was to really drive home a few points.
In some instances, yes; in other instances it is merely the fact that i am an amature writer with no editor and no one has ever read this thing yet.
Since this will not be published or sold, would you consider adding some pictures to a future version? For example, showing early concept drawings, pictures of The Lightning, pictures of Buster Crabbe as Buck Rodgers or Flash Gordon. I think that would really put this over the top and make it virtually indistinguishable from a real published work.
I have thought about doing that. Really though, to integrate it into the book in any kind of professional looking design manner would require a lot of work and skill, neither of which i have. Most likely what i will be doing is making a large additional attachment that is entirely graphic oriented as a sort of supplement. I also plan on doing one of these entirely for Kurosawa's influence.
I've also read the appendix on the Journal of the Whills as well as your article on the new findings. I was wondering if this had occurred to you:
Pollock: "The story of Mace Windu, a revered Jedi-bendu of Opuchi who was related to Usby C.J. Thape, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi."
Bouzereau: "...about 'Mace Windy, a revered Jedi Bendu of Opuchi,' as told by 'C.J. Thorpe, Padawaan learner of the famed Jedi.'"
Consider that "related to Usby C.J. Thape" may not describe a relative, but instead may be just another way of saying "told to us by C.J. Thape". If this quote was originally culled from hand-written notes, I can see how "us by" may have become "Usby". So I am wondering if the Bouzereau quote is somehow more accurate, regardless of the mis-spellings.
I have thought about doing that. Really though, to integrate it into the book in any kind of professional looking design manner would require a lot of work and skill, neither of which i have. Most likely what i will be doing is making a large additional attachment that is entirely graphic oriented as a sort of supplement. I also plan on doing one of these entirely for Kurosawa's influence.
I've also read the appendix on the Journal of the Whills as well as your article on the new findings. I was wondering if this had occurred to you:
Pollock: "The story of Mace Windu, a revered Jedi-bendu of Opuchi who was related to Usby C.J. Thape, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi."
Bouzereau: "...about 'Mace Windy, a revered Jedi Bendu of Opuchi,' as told by 'C.J. Thorpe, Padawaan learner of the famed Jedi.'"
Consider that "related to Usby C.J. Thape" may not describe a relative, but instead may be just another way of saying "told to us by C.J. Thape". If this quote was originally culled from hand-written notes, I can see how "us by" may have become "Usby". So I am wondering if the Bouzereau quote is somehow more accurate, regardless of the mis-spellings.
That is brilliant! I had not considered that before but it makes total sense if it is a scratchy handwritten document with all sorts of weird words. Regarding the misspellings, it seems that Rinzler indicates that Bouzereau's version may be correct--he indicates it is Mace Windy, not Mace Windu. I'm really hoping that J.W. Rinzler will go into some detail (or any kind of detail for that matter) about what the story was about so we will finally know the answer to these types of questions. At least stuff like this keeps us guessing!
Ultimately, I am curious if your work on this book had anything to do with your feelings of being "finished" with Star Wars, which you recently expressed in the End of Star Wars thread.
Perhaps. After throwing myself into this project for two years, fighting for the GOUT and all the other stuff i think i am on the verge of a Star Wars burnout. Rinzler's book, however, is still holding my interest. At the time i made that post this book was in publishing limbo;now that I am done this thing i am at least feeling some kind of relief.
Anyway, hope you all are enjoying it.
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Also, just to comment on the side discussion, there's a difference between mythologies and fabrications. In a basic sense, Christianity can be 100% true and still be a mythology. At the same time, a mythology can be 100% false and still be revered in ways. The point of mythology is that it is a story—particularly one that is concerns immortal people or deeds. That doesn't mean the story is automatically true or false.
Also, I understand that Joseph Campbell is respected by many people (including George Lucas), but many of the historical bits of information the man based his opinions on were erroneous in my estimation. I don't consider him to be a very reliable scholar (though he's a good communicator and philosopher).
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I had to do some more skimming as I couldn't quite take the constant talk about the original film's script revisions (don't worry, I'll come back to it when I can), but I noticed you pointed out the Rosie O'Donnell interview. I remember watching that! She thought Darth Maul was actually Mace Windu in disguise and then actually asked George if she was right. His reply was a simple "no." She also asked him if he ever watched Star Trek and he said something like "I caught a few episodes but I wasn't a Trekkie or anything." I think he was also asked how long until Episode II would be released and it was "3 years, although I wish it was 4."
I've skimmed over huge sections now, including the one about George and Marcia's divorce. I didn't see anything addressing the rumors that Marcia got %15 of sales of the OT and that maybe that's why George changed them into different movies, aka the Special Editions. On the other hand, I guess there wouldn't be much documentable evidence to treat that as anything more than it is, rumor.
Also, I didn't know that the official fan club actually shut down at one point. I know people always refer to the late 80's as the dark times but I didn't know it was that dark.
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How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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between that and the hardback version of the making of star wars by Jonathan Rinzler will definetely set you back a bunch of bucks.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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Man, I really cannot WAIT for that Making of SW book in May. We can only hope that it is the real stuff and that Rinzler really used all of those interviews and writings that he had access to. Just too bad that Lipincott didn't get around to writing it back in '77. Would be nice to have a dusty old vintage paperback sitting on the shelf next to the Empire and Jedi Making Of books. Haven't read them in a while, but from what I remember, they have some great no holds barred stuff in them.
A long time ago in the faraway galaxy...
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
I noticed you pointed out the Rosie O'Donnell interview. I remember watching that! She thought Darth Maul was actually Mace Windu in disguise and then actually asked George if she was right. His reply was a simple "no." She also asked him if he ever watched Star Trek and he said something like "I caught a few episodes but I wasn't a Trekkie or anything." I think he was also asked how long until Episode II would be released and it was "3 years, although I wish it was 4."
Yeah, and her desk was converted into an almost-life-size podracer. I remember Lucas looking kind of awkward and straining to be constantly funny--he isn't exactly the popular-talk-show type of material. It was an amusing moment of how far-reaching the TPM explosion was.
That was a rumor that appeared out of nowhere with no evidence to substantiate it with, nor does it make any sense when you think about Lucas' motives for destroying the OOT--aside from the fact that the term special edition is not even used anymore. It was only used from 1997-1999. There is no more "special edition". Aside from that, it is extremely incoherant and implausible from a business contract standpoint. That rumor was pure bullshit from the get-go and i am still surprised at how many people humored its legitimacy.
according to the offcial site those who buy the star wars archives from steve sanweet and peter vilmer will get to read lucas story treatment for the empire strikes back, to the tune of 80.00 dollars.
I noticed you pointed out the Rosie O'Donnell interview. I remember watching that! She thought Darth Maul was actually Mace Windu in disguise and then actually asked George if she was right. His reply was a simple "no." She also asked him if he ever watched Star Trek and he said something like "I caught a few episodes but I wasn't a Trekkie or anything." I think he was also asked how long until Episode II would be released and it was "3 years, although I wish it was 4."
Yeah, and her desk was converted into an almost-life-size podracer. I remember Lucas looking kind of awkward and straining to be constantly funny--he isn't exactly the popular-talk-show type of material. It was an amusing moment of how far-reaching the TPM explosion was.
I've skimmed over huge sections now, including the one about George and Marcia's divorce. I didn't see anything addressing the rumors that Marcia got %15 of sales of the OT and that maybe that's why George changed them into different movies, aka the Special Editions.
That was a rumor that appeared out of nowhere with no evidence to substantiate it with, nor does it make any sense when you think about Lucas' motives for destroying the OOT--aside from the fact that the term special edition is not even used anymore. It was only used from 1997-1999. There is no more "special edition". Aside from that, it is extremely incoherant and implausible from a business contract standpoint. That rumor was pure bullshit from the get-go and i am still surprised at how many people humored its legitimacy.
according to the offcial site those who buy the star wars archives from steve sanweet and peter vilmer will get to read lucas story treatment for the empire strikes back, to the tune of 80.00 dollars.
what is the star wars archives? Is this similar to that book, From the Lucasfilm Archives, which was a collection of props, models and costumes? Fantastic book that was. $80 is a rip off but the rarity of reading Lucas' original ESB treatment is enticing enough to make me seriously consider it.
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here is page on the offcial website with the article on what the star wars archives is, and its on the free part of the site not hyperspace.
looks to be a scrapbook, of 30 years plus of the saga, enjoy!
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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I'll just throw out some compliments: Thoughtful. Interesting. Comprehensive. Well Balanced.
This book has given me a strange sense of respect for George Lucas - in spite of all his flaws, lies, and questionable story decisions. Especially interesting was the section that touched upon his divorce.
I also gained a bit of respect for the prequels (I said "a bit"). There were actually reasons why George did the things he did with the prequels. Not that I agree with them, but George definitely had a vision he was following.
Good stuff, Zombie. Thanks!
(Zombie, you have a PM.)
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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Regarding the Christianity bit, I hit that and immediately said "uh-oh...", knowing it would stir up a big controversy amongst those of that faith. I appreciate the comparison being drawn, but in my opinion that part would be better off excised as it opens up a can of worms that sidetracks from what you're trying to discuss here, and you don't want to go there right now. Leave it for another story and another time.* No need to alienate a huge number of Star Wars fans who can't bear to have their religion's origins questioned. To you it may be historical facts, but to them it may be tantamount to blasphemy. Better instead to alienate them on something specifically Star Wars-related!
Anyway, fantastic job on this, and very timely. I can see I'm really going to enjoy the rest of the work.
--SKot
* Perhaps your next project should be aptly entitled, "The Secret History of Christianity"?
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Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
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Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
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Maybe using religion in general, and not pointing to a specific one, would be less likely to alienate a reader. I'm not sure. I personally didn't have a problem with the mention of Christianity; if we view it in from a wholly objective way, regardless of the fact many of us are Christians, we can admit many things were tacked onto the religion that never appeared in the primal teachings of Jesus Christ or important disciples of that era.
I am going to start reading this e-book again. A few days were spent taking care of mundane, yet demanding tasks like cleaning the house and sorting out paper work. It's always nice to return to a good piece of informative writing after some work.