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Originally posted by: Fuser
Hey guys - even if /when a cracking fan LD transfer (like the XO project) comes out and craps all over the official release, it won't embarass or shame LFL one bit. Because people, in general, wont either know or care. Bearing in mind no-one will be able to get hold of it, the impact it would have would be extrmemely limited - even if it was featured in the press: "A group of fans have released a fantastic laserdisc to DVD conversion that puts the official releases to shame! Except you cant see it. Er, move along......"

And there is no way that LFL will release the OT in the2007 box set - it says quite specifically that this is the only time they will be available ON DVD........so they will hold back for HD. That is why no work has gone into it. To get you to buy it yet again.
2004 SE DVDs - only SW DVDs available - so we buy it
2006 GOUT - only theatrical release on DVD ever - so we buy it
2007 - Saga box set - with all the extras and BTS stuff we should have had first time - so we buy it
2009/2010 - HD individual releases of all 6 films - with theatrical release having been cleaned up 'especially for this Hi-Def presentation' - so we buy it.

Its just LFL very very cynically making money. If they release a cleaned up 5.1 surround set of the OUT this time, we would be far less likely to buy it again in 2 years. Regardless of how you feel about the 'lack of care' they have given to the release, they really do know how to squeeze money out of the fans.

Dont get me wrong - I love the fan-preservations (I even tried one myself hahaha) but now that we have 'succeeded' to the point of getting LFL to release the theatrical cut, the issue for most average fans has been settled.
Fuser, I think you've hit the nail on the head as to what is likely to happen, and what Lucasfilm has in mind. I agree with you 100% here.

The only thing that might possibly alter this, I think, is if LFL is shocked enough by the backlash from the third-rate OUT transfers they did that they actually consider trying to make up for it and do a better transfer next year. I don't think it will happen. But I'm prepared to use lots of ketchup while dining on my own hat as well if I'm wrong.

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"(prepares to eat own hat) "

LOL....don't worry about it. Lord knows I never thought these DVDs would come out, though the fact that they are 4x3 doesn't surprise me.

As to Lucas' statements, keep in mind that, at one point, he said the SW films would never be released on home video, yet I can't think of another film that has been re-released anywhere near as many times (Though Evil Dead/Army of Darkness comes to mind. )

"is if LFL is shocked enough by the backlash from the third-rate OUT transfers"

I think dismal sales will outrank that concern.

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Sorry about that, I mis-read something...

The is the last time to own INDIVIDUALLY. '07 big-momma-jomma box set is likely going to have it.

And again, without a new transfer (from what?) there can be no HD or BR version.

DVD may be the last stop for the OT unless he cuts apart the original master negative again. (If you believed him the first time.)

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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Sorry about that, I mis-read something...

The is the last time to own INDIVIDUALLY. '07 big-momma-jomma box set is likely going to have it.

And again, without a new transfer (from what?) there can be no HD or BR version.

DVD may be the last stop for the OT unless he cuts apart the original master negative again. (If you believed him the first time.)


Actually, isn't it "Own them individually for a limited time" which doesn't really rule out a future release. But what's really to stop him from just upconverting the current source to HD and sticking it on an HD or BR disc? It's obvious he doesn't care about quality, otherwise we wouldn't be getting a laserdisc master slapped on a DVD.
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OK - I just scoured the official site as I knew I'd read it somewhere - I quote:
"This limited time release will be the only DVD release of the unaltered theatrical films."

So there you have it. The unaltered release wont be on the box-set. I think it would confuse matters for Joe average if it was.
That still leaves the door open for an 'altered original theatrical release' though - as in a cleaned up one at some point. But I really think this is the only one we'll get for a year or 3.....

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As an aside, does anyone know if all of the Moth3r torrents have been removed at myspleen? - I was halfway through them gorramit!!!!
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Originally posted by: Doctor M

And again, without a new transfer (from what?) there can be no HD or BR version.


I was under the impression that Lowry restored the OT in HD.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Originally posted by: Doctor M

And again, without a new transfer (from what?) there can be no HD or BR version.


I was under the impression that Lowry restored the OT in HD.

From where or from whom did you get that impression, exactly?

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They did. But it was the SE OT.
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Agreed with THX. LFL had already made the SE and '04 changes, and those are what Lowry restored.

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Originally posted by: Doctor M


DVD may be the last stop for the OT unless he cuts apart the original master negative again. (If you believed him the first time.)


He never cut apart the negative. They just said that to make gullible people believe that the laserdisc master was the best source.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
He never cut apart the negative. They just said that to make gullible people believe that the laserdisc master was the best source.


I'd love that to be true, do you have any proof of this?

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People, let's not argue about what Lucas is doing or is not doing to the OUT. We've got the XØ fulfilling our dreams of a high quality DVD set. Instead of buying the always cheesy Lucas DVDs, let's donate some $$ to XØ and help them help us
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I'm concerned. With the release of GOUT, where does the X0 project stand?

Some are pulling distribution of their preservation projects, others are talking new projects for "personal use only".

Will X0 see the light of day?

Btw, I am not responsible for distribution of my project which continues to be seeded on Demonoid.

Dr. M

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After finishing Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back could use the X0 treatment as well. Transparent ships and visible matte outlines are all that need fixing to improve on the current release.
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Originally posted by: Fuser
OK - I just scoured the official site as I knew I'd read it somewhere - I quote:
"This limited time release will be the only DVD release of the unaltered theatrical films."

So there you have it. The unaltered release wont be on the box-set. I think it would confuse matters for Joe average if it was.
That still leaves the door open for an 'altered original theatrical release' though - as in a cleaned up one at some point. But I really think this is the only one we'll get for a year or 3.....


No offense, but Joe average isn't the one buying these DVDs. Despite what LFL says, this is the release for the truly hardcore fans, not the casual fans. The casual fan sees this and says "Didn't they release this 2 years ago? I'm not buying that again". The hardcore fan is the one that sees this and says "FINALLY!!!!" If this release wasn't for the hardcore fans, they wouldn't be saying "the fans asked for it and now they're getting it" in the marketing material and interviews. My sister would be considered Joe average and all she noticed about the SEs is that "something was different", but she didn't know what. To them, it's all the same thing.

Their market speak also leaves room for a hi-def unaltered release in the future, on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (maybe even both).

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If someone were to take the official DVD set and remove everything but the movie itself and the menus (which are very cool and should stay ), and then replace the English DD 2.0 soundtrack on the DVD with the PCM soundtrack from the Definitive Collection, it would make for the ultimate Star Wars DVD set till the XO project is ready. Those extras and foreign languages are a complete waste of space that could be used to squeeze in the PCM soundtrack. Or if the PCM soundtrack wouldn't fit without having to lower the bit-rate Lucasfilm used on the video (which would not be good to do), then convert the PCM to straight 448k bit-rate DD 2.0 for a DD 2.0 soundtrack with the maximum quality that DVD can support. That would definitely fit onto the dual-layer DVD.

The only thing is that you would have to be very careful to make sure the replacement soundtrack was in perfect sync with the video, exactly the same synchronization as it is now on the official DVD set. Other than that, it should be no problem.

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I think DVD releases have to conform to industry standards and only use certain types of audio files.
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Originally posted by: eros
I think DVD releases have to conform to industry standards and only use certain types of audio files.


Of course they do. But PCM and high-rate DD are both acceptable.
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Originally posted by: Fuser
OK - I just scoured the official site as I knew I'd read it somewhere - I quote:
"This limited time release will be the only DVD release of the unaltered theatrical films."

So there you have it. The unaltered release wont be on the box-set.


Does make you wonder how on earth the LFL marketing team is going to make a box set appeal to fans of the OUT?

With the GOUT dvd 'trump' card already played, what else is there to really go on?

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How about this for proof that Lucasfilm did restore the original movies before he made the special edition.

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/bts/article/f19970811/indexp3.html

The film was alarmingly faded, scratched and coated with dirt. It was soon clear that a full-scale restoration of the original negative would be necessary before any new footage or digital effects could be added.

Edited: Wed September 13, 2006 at 11:21 AM by frendon

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That comment by George has been raised before, and I believe it is 100% true. However he has then go on to say that the same restored negative was permanently altered, as in pulled apart and redited with the 97 effects film elements to create a 'new' original negative. Same sort of deal as what FFC did when he went back and recut Apocalypse Now to do the Redux release.
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I remember when this thread was about the X0 Project.

Any timeline on the t-shirts?