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Hey Starkiller, I found another mono mix difference for you. Well, it's different on the "Story Of" LP, anyway . Luke's line on Yavin 4 to Han "So, you got your reward and you're just leaving then?" is a different take. The LP version has Luke use a lower pitch with his phrasing. I've been meaning to mention this, but I was going over my edit tonight with a fine-tooth comb and noticed it again. Looking forward to being able to use your mono madness page. Being a mac user, the sounds have never shown up regardless of what browser I use. I'm sure others will enjoy it too.

You can go about your business. Move along, move along.

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Originally posted by: MoveAlong
Hey Starkiller, I found another mono mix difference for you. Well, it's different on the "Story Of" LP, anyway . Luke's line on Yavin 4 to Han "So, you got your reward and you're just leaving then?" is a different take. The LP version has Luke use a lower pitch with his phrasing. I've been meaning to mention this, but I was going over my edit tonight with a fine-tooth comb and noticed it again.
You are correct. I can't believe I missed that. I will be sure to add it to the mono mix guide. Thanks. If you find anything else, let me know.
Originally posted by: MoveAlong
Looking forward to being able to use your mono madness page. Being a mac user, the sounds have never shown up regardless of what browser I use. I'm sure others will enjoy it too.

Sorry you are having problems. I guess I was a bit naive to use WMP.

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Originally posted by: SKot
If only that elusive 70mm mix would turn up somewhere. Surely someone out there must have bootlegged a 70mm showing of the film back in the day, even just the audio?
--SKot

This is our best bet, I think. Many kids (myself included) snuck tape recorders into theaters and recorded the movies, well the audio at least. Somebody, somewhere surely did this at a 70mm presentation of Star Wars. Some friends and I did it at a 70mm showing of TESB, but that tape disappeared in the early '80s. Such tapes could be invaluable from a historical perspective, but not necessarily for preservation.



I have one of those 70mm in theater recordings, I did one in San Diego and my wife did one in D.C. (long before we were married). She has found hers and I’m still digging for mine.

Just bought a tape deck from e-bay. My old one died years ago and I never replaced it.

Anyway, once the new deck arrives what is the best way to digitize the audio?

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Originally posted by: BrianM

I have one of those 70mm in theater recordings, I did one in San Diego and my wife did one in D.C. (long before we were married). Now THAT is the truest sign that two people are meant for each other I've EVER seen!!

She has found hers and I’m still digging for mine.
That is fantastic news. Not just one, but two copies! At the very least, this will give everyone a pretty good representation of what is and isn't in the 70mm mix.

Just bought a tape deck from e-bay. My old one died years ago and I never replaced it.

Anyway, once the new deck arrives what is the best way to digitize the audio?

BrianM
Hopefully some of the audio experts here can help you out on that. Since these are (I assume) open-air recordings, it probably won't matter all that much since it's mainly only useful for reference purposes. But it's still worth the time to get a good digital copy made of each, I think.

--SKot

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Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
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Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
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I followed this basic tutorial to record some vinyl and simply swapped cables to my tape deck.

It is simple amd it works although there are probably far better software packages out there now.

Is your recording of SW or ESB??? Either way I cannot wait to hear what you have and for The Starkiller to further increase his "differences" pages.

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Both are the original Star Wars, one in May of '77 and the other in early '78. Yes, they are both "snuck-in" open air recordings with the real life "Laugh Track"

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Originally posted by: BrianM
I have one of those 70mm in theater recordings, I did one in San Diego and my wife did one in D.C. (long before we were married). She has found hers and I’m still digging for mine.

Just bought a tape deck from e-bay. My old one died years ago and I never replaced it.

Anyway, once the new deck arrives what is the best way to digitize the audio?

BrianM
Wow, this is fantastic! I knew they were out there, but I didn't expect someone to find one (or two) so fast!

As far as capuring goes, when I captured my 'Story of' cassettes, I used a cable similar to this one and ran it from my cassette deck into my sound card. There are a variety of programs you can use to record. The link Russ posted should help too.

Originally posted by: BrianM
Both are the original Star Wars, one in May of '77 and the other in early '78. Yes, they are both "snuck-in" open air recordings with the real life "Laugh Track"

BrianM

Are you absolutely certain you were both at 70mm presentations? According to this article, Star Wars first ran in 35mm in both San Diego and D.C. and was later upgraded to 70mm. The 70mm showings began Dec. 16, 1977 in D.C. and Feb. 10, 1978 in San Diego. So, the May of '77 recording may be 35mm. Do you remember what theaters you were at?

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Are you absolutely certain you were both at 70mm presentations? According to this article, Star Wars first ran in 35mm in both San Diego and D.C. and was later upgraded to 70mm. The 70mm showings began Dec. 16, 1977 in D.C. and Feb. 10, 1978 in San Diego. So, the May of '77 recording may be 35mm. Do you remember what theaters you were at?


Ah, that is part of a great debate amongst my SD friends, one has challaged the authors facts. However the DC tape (the one I've found) is AFTER the 70mm date.

Did you use any hiss or noise reduction on your digitization?

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Ah, that is part of a great debate amongst my SD friends, one has challaged the authors facts. However the DC tape (the one I've found) is AFTER the 70mm date.

Did you use any hiss or noise reduction on your digitization?

BrianM

I suppose parts of that list could certainly be incorrect. Newspaper listings from that period could shed some light. I'm sure a 70mm presentation would have been billed as such in the movie advertisements. Whatever the case, I still think both tapes are very important.

I didn't use any sort of noise reduction on mine, but yours may benefit from it.

Were you or your wife able to record the entire film?

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Were you or your wife able to record the entire film?


Unfortunitly I think they both have a tape flip in the middle. I know more in a week or so.
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Wow, this is incredible--not one but possibly two people recorded the 70mm soundtrack, seperately, and later met and married! I have to say this is almost too perfect.

Awesome that we will finally get to hear this thing.
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THis is amazing. Maybe through these tape the OT.com comunity will be able to recontruct at least Star Wars.
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Wow! Hearing the 1970's audience reaction on a DVD track would be something really special!
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Where were you in '77?

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Originally posted by: SilverWook
Wow! Hearing the 1970's audience reaction on a DVD track would be something really special!

Yes--even if the 1977 one is 35mm, just to have a live audience track is priceless!

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You guys might be interested in the fact, that the German dub on my 1995 THX Laserdisc was apparently made using the original mono track, since ALL sound effects and ALL dialogue matches the mono sound examples i heard on the page.

I also noticed that in the trash compactor sequence, the complete music background was removed on the 2004 SE from the point on where they hear the roar until the point Luke is released by the monster. It is also present on the German dub. Some other guy told me that the 1993 definite edition LAserdiscs also don´t have this background music.

All German releases excluding the 2004 editions seem to match the original mono mix. That´s why i was really puzzled, when i heard the english audio on the 2004 SE that some sound effects were radically different.
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OK, after much digging in my attic I have only been able to find one of our 70MM recordings. The good/bad news is that this is the one recorded at a Monday matinee 11 months after Star Wars opened. Soooo, it has almost no crowd noise, which was the goal when my future wife and her Father recorded it. I have to thank Mr. Mayer for this recording and helping shape the perfect wife. Sadly, he passed away over 10 years ago.

There were a couple of problems with the almost 30 year old tapes (speed etc) but I was able to fix them as well as fill in the gaps where the tape flips were. Starkiller is going to help me by posting the MP3. It’s a mono recording of the 6 channel soundtrack in a empty theater, but I find it very listenable.

I have not given up on the crowd filled recording, there is still more attic to dig through…
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sounds great! Can't wait to hear it.


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Originally posted by: The Starkiller
BrianM's 70mm recording has been posted to a.b.sw. Thanks again for sharing, Brian!


Is there somewhere this can be posted so a schmoe without newsgroup access (like myself) can download it?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Originally posted by: Vigo
You guys might be interested in the fact, that the German dub on my 1995 THX Laserdisc was apparently made using the original mono track, since ALL sound effects and ALL dialogue matches the mono sound examples i heard on the page.
I'm not sure I understand this, Vigo - how can the dialogue match if it's a German dub?

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Originally posted by: Vigo
You guys might be interested in the fact, that the German dub on my 1995 THX Laserdisc was apparently made using the original mono track, since ALL sound effects and ALL dialogue matches the mono sound examples i heard on the page.

I also noticed that in the trash compactor sequence, the complete music background was removed on the 2004 SE from the point on where they hear the roar until the point Luke is released by the monster. It is also present on the German dub. Some other guy told me that the 1993 definite edition LAserdiscs also don´t have this background music.

All German releases excluding the 2004 editions seem to match the original mono mix. That´s why i was really puzzled, when i heard the english audio on the 2004 SE that some sound effects were radically different.


I don't remember music EVER appearing in this scene ...
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I've got a bootleg on beta of a new hope. From what I was told it is sourced from an airlines copy made sometime in 79' or so. Quality isn't so hot but I think it's quite close to the theatrical cut.