The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 693

It is solid, but there are a couple things that bug me about it. “He’s too dangerous” stands out, and I have a much better take of that already. I also think that Luke’s line of “We’ll always be with you” along with the slow-mo effect sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the AI voicework which not only sounds better but is more strategically placed.

There’s also the retcons that are annoying like Rey’s dad being the “son” of the Emperor, who in no case should be considered nobody worth mentioning and logically should have appeared to her in the dark side cave from TLJ. Then canon went ahead and made this worse by making him a practical clone of the Emperor, making him even more noteworthy. I also think that having him be a good person makes Rey’s struggle too easy for her to overcome, and it also makes her taking on the Skywalker name feel like an insult to the people who sacrificed their lives for her (and she doesn’t even have any reason to do such a thing since an Organa was the one who adopted her). But I suppose all of this is unavoidable canon, and that’s why this edit needs to exist as-is in this regard. But that doesn’t mean my other thread can’t exist, either 😉

Hal 9000 said:

• Movie Leia and Snap scene back where it was in theatrical

I really think this scene would be better placed after the heroes escape the cave and we see the Knights so we can avoid another death fakeout. This would coincide nicely with the muting of the lines when we return to them so we can linger on establishing shots for longer as we get acclimated to Pasaana again.

And, as I said before, we really need to remove Luke’s “We’ll always be with you”. At the very least, it needs to be replaced with an AI version of the same line because the quality of the line is completely fubar. But I’d prefer to remove it entirely as the slow-mo effect is quite jarring as well. This way he’d just say, “but this is your fight” when the camera goes back to Rey like in v1 of this edit. The current “He’s too dangerous” doesn’t sound much like Carrie compared to the link I posted, either.

“We’ll always be with you” sounds fine to me, but I agree that the Leia line sounds a little off.

It’s not that Luke’s voice itself sounds off, it’s the fact that it doesn’t have the same studio quality as everything around it. It literally sounds like Mark Hamill is speaking into a bad microphone all of a sudden, not to mention that you can hear when the audio file that was pasted in ends due to its poor quality, which all really pulls me out of the entire scene. Put on a decent pair of headphones and you spot it immediately, whereas I have to strain myself to spot an AI line.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s everything that I’m currently considering for a V5, none of which I can’t live without.

I agree! If it’ll be revised for the fifth time, let’s ensure it’ll be permanent.

One other random audio change I’d like to see in a v5 is a mild Force choke or Force freeze sound effect when Kylo lifts his finger at Hux. See the following video if you aren’t sure what I’m referring to:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y8uFZYr0pjw?si=9oiBKos5NJmSxeiB

awesome idea

EddieDean and I were brainstorming in the other thread, and we came up with a really fantastic idea that could improve the genetic Rey Palpatine storyline. The essence of it is that, due to her parents hiding her, Palpatine never knew about Rey until the time of the sequels themselves. He only ever sent Ochi to look for her father. This fixes the problem of why her parents were on board Ochi’s ship, because he had just taken them without knowing they had a child. It also answers why the Emperor didn’t send any more of his followers to look for Rey on Jakku or the galaxy in general, because he didn’t even know she existed until she was already a Jedi, thus why he “always” wanted her dead.

Not much would need to be changed in order for this to work:

"It was Palpatine who had your parents taken. He was looking for your father. But he learned he had no potential in the Force. So he gave the order.”

This would help IMMENSELY in making it so that her father really is a nobody, despite his genetic relation. This is the canon answer, by the way, that her father couldn’t use the Force. It’s just an extremely relevant piece of information that’s omitted. And then Rey’s own statement would need to be whittled down later on:

Kylo: “I know why Palpatine discovered you.”

Rey: “Tell me.”

Kylo: “Because he saw what you would become. You don’t just have power. You have his power. You’re his granddaughter.”

By the way, I could substantially improve all of Kylo’s lines in these scenes due to my new voice model. Mostly the “become a dyad” one and “You were right”. The previous model was based on his Lego TFA voice lines.

EDIT: Ah, darn, Finn’s lines with Poe and D-O later would contradict this idea. So some thought would need to be given to that. But if we could figure this all out, it would be an elegant solution to make genetic Rey Palpatine more tolerable, to me at least.

Just watched this edit after disliking the sequels for the longest time, and I must say that I like what you’ve done.
Brilliant work all around!

I disagree 100%. In fact, if you showed this to somebody who had no idea what an AI line even is, like a mother, they should be none the wiser unless they happen to be an audio engineer. I am almost certain you pointed them out to her as they happened, which obviously isn’t fair. My dad couldn’t even tell Tarkin was CGI in Rogue One until I told him after the movie. And for me, somebody who is very attuned to these things, when I watch this edit on a TV speaker instead of headphones, the lines blend in perfectly. There are indeed a couple of lines in v4 of this edit that are outdated (using an older method of voice synthesis which isn’t realistic) so that could be part of your issue. The new method sounds 99% like the person. To the point where I’m not sure why Hal applied certain transitional audio effects to them, as I think this made them stand out slightly more with headphones. The voice clones already try to replicate the EQ and background noise of what you give it.

I think that pruning and trimming is actually the laziest possible approach you can take in fan editing. It requires no creativity and little thought process. It’s a “hurr-durr, I don’t like this moment, so I want it gone.” Granted, it is certainly a necessary evil in a lot of cases to achieve a larger goal. If AI lines aren’t for you, that’s fine, but don’t try to turn this into a universal fact, because it certainly isn’t. Especially in a sandbox as barebones as the one TROS gives us, your ideology just doesn’t work. Not unless you condense everything into a duology. But that’s a whole different project than this one’s stated goals.

Hi, I’m new to the forum. I congratulate you for the rey nobody version, thank you very much for your work.

two questions:

1. what application do you use to edit the film?

2. which site do you use to create the I.A voices?

The Rey Nobody edit does not use any AI voices as I understand it. They are all spliced lines from the movie itself.

I use 11 labs, but take the center channel from when the characters are speaking in the scenes I want to modify, and then run it through voice isolation software provided by RogueLeader, another member of this forum. The result is a nearly perfect voice clone.

I’m assuming Hal uses Adobe Premiere, but I could be wrong about that.

“He’s too dangerous” definitely sticks out, but that’s already been corrected for a potential v5.

Poe’s stuff sounds excellent. As does the rest of Leia’s stuff. Likewise, Jannah sounds virtually flawless with headphones on. Kylo’s unmasked line sounds 95% identical with headphones, to the point where I could definitely improve it but it isn’t necessary imo. 3PO’s lines definitely can be upgraded as well as both of Kylo’s masked lines for v5, as those were generated with the older method of using outside-the-movie dialogue (Lego games). I’d still love to hear feedback concerning Palpatine going after Rey’s father instead of Rey from the beginning, as I think this new masked Kylo voice is excellent.

The only line I think there is an argument could be reverted is Rey’s “from the ancient texts”. Mostly because that implication is already there for viewers that pay attention. But also because it is noticeably quieter. It doesn’t feel like AI, but rather like a different set of recording equipment was used to capture Daisy’s voice. It feels similar to Holdo’s ADR dialogue from TLJ. But to a greater degree like in the case of Luke’s “We’ll always be with you”.

I don’t think the Zorri AI lines are ever going to fully work because of the tests I did earlier this year. Basically, I don’t know what unique voice modulation effect she has, and 11 labs can’t seem to replicate it. So even though the voice sounds like the actress, it’s still off.

In terms of a “replacement”, since you seem fine with adding in at least one more AI line, I seriously think we should consider “Come home” again. I’ve decided to place it right next to the shot of the medallion to make it abundantly clear she’s referring to Han and avoid cluttering the front-end of the audio:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1prxAlqCmTX6gZR2zfD1OTU3HovEkb4sW/view?usp=sharing

To be quite honest, I hate the idea that the best Leia, somebody who has given passionate speeches her whole life, could come up with in the moment is saying his name. It’s ludicrous, and it’s not clear why this would be enough to make Ben drop his lightsaber.

This would also pair nicely with a re-do of the Luke and Leia flashback voiceover to focus more on Leia always choosing love in her life over hatred. This is a lot better than the default, prophetic mumbo-jumbo about somebody taking Leia’s lightsaber later on and finishing her journey. That spoils the idea that Rey won’t take the throne way too early:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SH4R3i8wNuwrP8bN85aLe82Tn5E87vBj/view?usp=sharing

Another thing that should probably be re-instated is everything just after Poe says “This is how he finishes it”. Yes, the planet-killing part 100% needs to go, but there are some other critical parts here.

So the scene immediately after Palpatine’s holo meeting with Pryde would start with Rose saying “Listen, it’s on every channel.” I think the scene is important because it tells us that Leia made Poe acting general. In original Ascendant, it isn’t completely clear why Poe would be next in command. There are technically several others who have more seniority like Commander D’Acy and even those who might be more fit for it like Connix given what we learn about Poe’s background in this movie. I think it’s important to emphasize that he was Leia’s pick despite all of that, kinda like how she still trains Rey despite her dark potential. Furthermore, the scene gives us a better reason for all of the civilian fleet showing up besides Lando knowing trillions of people and Leia negotiating with some planetary leaders. If everybody on the HoloNet hears an ominous message like that, they’d definitely be much more willing to rally together.

Right, I get that part, but it literally feels like there’s something missing in the scene that would cause Kylo to drop his lightsaber. Something more shocking and devastating for him to hear. And a direct callback to their confrontation is much more digestible.