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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Yup, remove that like all other versions of Ascendant.

To make it more clear, we could have him say: “Leia also struggled with family legacy.”

Here it is all laid out:

Luke: “What are you most afraid of?”

Rey: “Myself.”

Luke: “Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia also struggled with family legacy.”

Rey: “She didn’t tell me.”

Luke: “Rey, some things are stronger than blood…”

Or, to make it clearer still, it could be “Leia also struggled with infamous legacy.”

I kinda think that scene is already pretty thin and short, I don’t know personally if what you gain from adding this Leia line is enough to cut out a couple of the back and forths and making it even shorter.

Whereas in a Rey Nobody you kind of have no choice but to cut it down. Speaking of, what was the alt line we landed on for this? “Leia sensed your struggle with the dark side”? Can you add that to the google drive?

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DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I kinda think that scene is already pretty thin and short, I don’t know personally if what you gain from adding this Leia line is enough to cut out a couple of the back and forths and making it even shorter.

Whereas in a Rey Nobody you kind of have no choice but to cut it down. Speaking of, what was the alt line we landed on for this? “Leia sensed your struggle with the dark side”? Can you add that to the google drive?

I agree with you that I think the scenes would be better served if we keep as much of it as possible. The more you trim, the more edited it feels.

I actually disagree that it has to be cut down at all for Rey Nobody. I think you could keep the same amount of lines with just slight word changes and additions. The only line that would need to be cut would be “Because you’re a Palpatine.”

EDIT: For reference (with some slight touches for preference)

Luke (off screen): Leia saw it, too.
Rey: She didn’t tell me. She still trained me.
Luke (off screen): Because she saw your spirit-
Luke (on screen): -your heart.
Luke (off screen): She knew, because-
Luke (on screen): -some things are stronger than blood.
Luke (off screen): Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. A constant struggle. If you don’t face it-
Luke (on screen): -it will mean the end of the Jedi.
Luke (off screen): And you will be lost.
Luke (wide): There’s something my sister would want you to have.

Sometimes I think less is more.
(“A constant struggle” could also be Always”. Just thought it would be a more useful lesson than just saying “your destiny”)

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RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I kinda think that scene is already pretty thin and short, I don’t know personally if what you gain from adding this Leia line is enough to cut out a couple of the back and forths and making it even shorter.

Whereas in a Rey Nobody you kind of have no choice but to cut it down. Speaking of, what was the alt line we landed on for this? “Leia sensed your struggle with the dark side”? Can you add that to the google drive?

I agree with you that I think the scenes would be better served if we keep as much of it as possible. The more you trim, the more edited it feels.

I actually disagree that it has to be cut down at all for Rey Nobody. I think you could keep the same amount of lines with just slight word changes and additions. The only line that would need to be cut would be “Because you’re a Palpatine.”

EDIT: For reference (with some slight touches for preference)

Luke (off screen): Leia saw it, too.
Rey: She didn’t tell me. She still trained me.
Luke (off screen): Because she saw your spirit-
Luke (on screen): -your heart.
Luke (off screen): She knew, because-
Luke (on screen): -some things are stronger than blood.
Luke (off screen): Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. A constant struggle. If you don’t face it-
Luke (on screen): -it will mean the end of the Jedi.
Luke (off screen): And you will be lost.
Luke (wide): There’s something my sister would want you to have.

Sometimes I think less is more.
(“A constant struggle” could also be Always”. Just thought it would be a more useful lesson than just saying “your destiny”)

I’m not sure the “stronger than blood” really works, it’s kind of a non sequitur since they’re not talking about her family or lineage. Maybe there’s a way to fit it but I don’t know what. Liking the rest though!

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In this context, Luke is saying that Leia knew Rey has a good spirit and heart because their bond was stronger than blood. I don’t think it is a non-sequitur.
Luke’s basically saying, “Leia saws those dark vision of you too, but she trained you anyway, because she saw your true spirit. She knew the real you, because your bond was stronger than blood.” That’s the idea at least.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’d like to hear from all of you which of these Poe lines sound the best? Also, which ones might pair together well?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/107YPYFjOXKBXthoIZl14wJ0OD0RyUjl7?usp=sharing

Please keep in mind that the background noise of some these is a little wonky, but ignore that. RL has the software that can make it clean.

In my opinion, #3 from each sound nicely when paired together.

I do think 3 sounds the best out of these options.

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RogueLeader said:

In this context, Luke is saying that Leia knew Rey has a good spirit and heart because their bond was stronger than blood. I don’t think it is a non-sequitur.
Luke’s basically saying, “Leia saws those dark vision of you too, but she trained you anyway, because she saw your true spirit. She knew the real you, because your bond was stronger than blood.” That’s the idea at least.

Hmm, I get what you mean now, maybe there’s a line to be made that could get that idea across.

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In my opinion, #3 from each sound nicely when paired together.

I like dread3 but empire4.

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Apologies for the incoming long post, but I was brainstorming and here are some ideas to help better sell Palpatine’s new plan in Ascendant. I think a lot of the original Palpatine lines can be restored and some others can be adjusted very slightly (if the AI voice is possible for Palps). I know this may be a little radical for V4 of this edit, but I think it could warrant a discussion given the new AI breakthroughs and the initial struggle of clearing up Palps plan for this edit:


RESTORE:

  • Palpatine: “I have died before. The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be, unnatural.”

CHANGE:

  • Palpatine: “The might of the Final Order will soon be ready. It will be yours if you do as I ask. Bring me the girl, end the Jedi and become what your grandfather Vader could not. Together, you will rule all the galaxy as the new emperors. But beware. She is not who you think she is.”

CHANGE:

  • Kylo Ren: “Palpatine wants you dead.”
  • Rey: “Serving another master?”

CHANGE (or potentially REMOVE SCENE):

  • Palpatine: “Where is the girl? Perhaps you have betrayed me. Do not make me turn my fleet against you.”
  • Kylo Ren: I know where she’s going. She’ll never be a Jedi.
  • Palpatine: “Make sure of it. Bring her to me.”

CHANGE:

  • Kylo Ren: “You know why the Emperor’s always wanted you dead.”
  • Rey: “No.”
  • Kylo Ren: “I’ll come tell you.”

CHANGE:

  • "Rey: “Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill(take)a child? Tell me.”

RESTORE:

  • Palpatine: “Long have I waited, for my grandchild to come home! I never wanted you dead. I wanted you here, Empress Palpatine.”

RESTORE:

  • Palpatine: "Your hatred, your anger. You want to kill me. That is what I want. Kill me… and my spirit will pass into you. As all the Sith live in me… you will be Empress… we will be one.

Vader’s plan in the OT was never to kill Luke, but to turn him to the dark side for Palpatine, another TROS logic fail. But, I think if these few changes are able to be implemented it would definitely help clear up Palpatine’s plan and allow for some content to be restored.

Palp’s plan:

  • Have Kylo bring Rey to him and turn her, so the Sith will be reborn with his bloodline. If Rey and Kylo don’t turn and try to kill him (which he assumes will be the end result), he will pass his spirit into one of them, preferably Kylo as he is already on the dark side. After Leia botches that option, he takes over turning Rey himself. Once Palps discovers the dyad and realizes he can use the two of them to restore himself, that is the final plan.

Kylo:

  • Has more of a reason to side and work with Palpatine early on, he wants Rey to turn and join him to rule together (TLJ carry over), but he plans to defeat Palpatine with Rey together to remove him from the picture entirely (now that he is not aware of the spirit transfer). Palpatine is annoyed when Leia turns him back to the light. But is confident Rey will come to him anyways on her own so she can kill him and do the spirit transfer.

Rey’s struggle:

  • Struggle with being a Jedi or join Ben in the dark side to rule… aka, a continuation from her arc from TLJ of “taking his hand and being together”. Rey decides to be a Jedi and makes the decision to kill the Emperor, but is shocked to find out that is what he wants, as Rey would never have the assumption that he wanted her dead, just that he was trying to get her for “reasons”.

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As it stands in V3, Palpatine seems to have wanted Rey dead from day one, and is working Kylo into killing her and then possessing him, up to the point where he is redeemed. Then since Rey showed up he’s gonna try for her. To me this is simple enough and I think that your idea wouldn’t really improve it and would introduce many potentially awkward audio edits.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Seems like you put a lot of thought into all of it, but I dunno. I feel like it’s more compelling to have the two main antagonists at odds with each other (Kylo and Palpatine). Otherwise Kylo is right back to serving another master because they both want the same thing (Rey brought before Palpatine). It’s really just a rehash of Episodes 6 and 8.

Whereas the plan we currently have is extremely straightforward and can be summarized in a couple of sentences:

“Palpatine wants Rey dead because he wants to possess Kylo unimpeded, but Kylo anticipates this and wants Rey to join him so they can destroy Palpatine together. When Kylo turns back to the light, he sets his sights on Rey instead.”

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Fair enough! I was initially thinking of a way we could help clear up Palpatine changing his target from Kylo to Rey. But then that spawned a whole other idea down the rabbit hole.

Maybe if possible, still try to add a small line in the scene with Palp and Pryde to better clarify that he doesn’t want Rey dead now?

Palp: “…disrupted my plan… come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.”

Pryde: “As I served you in the old wars. I serve you now.”

Palp: “Spare the girl. The Final Order begins. She will come. Her friends will follow.”

Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”

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If you wanted to just strengthen the current/theatrical plan, you could have Palpatine say something to Rey like, “Only the strongest can rule.”

Basically, having them fight only benefits Palpatine. If one kills the other, then nothing would stand in the way of him possessing the survivor. And whoever survives would be the stronger vessel. And Palpatine frames it as a test. Testing their skill and strength to see who can be the rightful heir.

“I never wanted you dead. I only wanted the strongest to rule.”
“Only the strongest can take the throne.”
Idk, something like that.

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RogueLeader said:

“I never wanted you dead. I only wanted the strongest to rule.”
“Only the strongest can take the throne.”
Idk, something like that.

Lol that’s such a Palpatine thing to say, too. Like, he’s telling the truth, but he seriously wouldn’t have given a damn if Rey died because of this showdown.

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Right? I had actually been rewriting Kylo’s dialogue throughout the film with a similar idea in mind as DZ. But after reading y’all’s convo, I think his motivation just could be clarified a little more. Luckily it is really only one or two lines.

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I think this could work. Restore the line about her coming home, as Palps could have been hopeful that his bloodline was stronger than the Skywalker’s.


Emperor Palpatine: “Long have I waited, for my grandchild to come home! I never wanted you dead. I only wanted the strongest to rule, Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule here. It is in your blood. Our blood.”

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What was first just a dream has become a frightening reality…

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Good news: most of Palpatine’s voice is located in the central channel. I’m shooting it your way shortly, RL.

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“I never wanted you dead…I wanted you strong…Empress Palpatine.”

Honestly, just cut out the dialogue about him possessing her as a Sith spirit, which genuinely screws up his plan and makes no sense to tell her from a tactical perspective.

“She will strike me down…as a Sith.”

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If we want him to not giveaway his plan to Rey, then it would be best to rewrite his statements as him transferring her his power in death. It’s another one of those sickly half-truths. Yeah, she gets his power, but also loses her autonomy.

Given what we know from our new intro line (my spirit will pass into you) we know he is lying about this, but it would still be tempting for Rey.

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Not that it has to be used for Ascendant, but this all lines up with how I’m rewriting Kylo’s dialogue! (Hopefully to make Rey’s insecurities and temptations clearer, and make Kylo’s dialogue sound less generic).

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Hmm, I’m still leery of this, as what’s there makes sense the way it is. But I’m open to see what come. We’re introducing potential weak points here.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Even simpler but made clearer…


Emperor Palpatine: “Long have I waited, for the strongest to rule, Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule here. It is in your blood. Our blood.”

The Star Wars Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX | Rogue One · Solo
What was first just a dream has become a frightening reality…

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The thing is, Rey has never wanted power, which is the issue with this entire ending. There’s nothing that Palpatine can give her that she genuinely wants, other than a sense of belonging and family, so with the revelation about him as her grandfather, she has just as much reason to want him alive as she does to kill him.

Rey doesn’t want power, she doesn’t want to rule the galaxy.

She wants to be a Jedi and gain a family, so unless Palpatine’s plan can give her that he has no angle.

So hang on a sec, here’s an idea: What if Palpatine reveals the reason that Rey can’t connect with the Jedi of the past is because he personally is blocking that connection?

“Do you know why the Jedi reject you? Because of me.”

“Kill me, and the spirit of the Jedi shall pass into you.”

We know he’s lying about that of course, but at least he’s offering her something she would genuinely want. And when she is finally able to call the Jedi to her in her final moment, it is the culmination of Rey rejecting Palpatine’s lie.

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