The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 669

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Yup, remove that like all other versions of Ascendant.

To make it more clear, we could have him say: “Leia also struggled with family legacy.”

Here it is all laid out:

Luke: “What are you most afraid of?”

Rey: “Myself.”

Luke: “Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia also struggled with family legacy.”

Rey: “She didn’t tell me.”

Luke: “Rey, some things are stronger than blood…”

Or, to make it clearer still, it could be “Leia also struggled with infamous legacy.”

I kinda think that scene is already pretty thin and short, I don’t know personally if what you gain from adding this Leia line is enough to cut out a couple of the back and forths and making it even shorter.

Whereas in a Rey Nobody you kind of have no choice but to cut it down. Speaking of, what was the alt line we landed on for this? “Leia sensed your struggle with the dark side”? Can you add that to the google drive?

I’d like to hear from all of you which of these Poe lines sound the best? Also, which ones might pair together well?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/107YPYFjOXKBXthoIZl14wJ0OD0RyUjl7?usp=sharing

Please keep in mind that the background noise of some these is a little wonky, but ignore that. RL has the software that can make it clean.

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I kinda think that scene is already pretty thin and short, I don’t know personally if what you gain from adding this Leia line is enough to cut out a couple of the back and forths and making it even shorter.

Whereas in a Rey Nobody you kind of have no choice but to cut it down. Speaking of, what was the alt line we landed on for this? “Leia sensed your struggle with the dark side”? Can you add that to the google drive?

I agree with you that I think the scenes would be better served if we keep as much of it as possible. The more you trim, the more edited it feels.

I actually disagree that it has to be cut down at all for Rey Nobody. I think you could keep the same amount of lines with just slight word changes and additions. The only line that would need to be cut would be “Because you’re a Palpatine.”

EDIT: For reference (with some slight touches for preference)

Luke (off screen): Leia saw it, too.
Rey: She didn’t tell me. She still trained me.
Luke (off screen): Because she saw your spirit-
Luke (on screen): -your heart.
Luke (off screen): She knew, because-
Luke (on screen): -some things are stronger than blood.
Luke (off screen): Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. A constant struggle. If you don’t face it-
Luke (on screen): -it will mean the end of the Jedi.
Luke (off screen): And you will be lost.
Luke (wide): There’s something my sister would want you to have.

Sometimes I think less is more.
(“A constant struggle” could also be Always”. Just thought it would be a more useful lesson than just saying “your destiny”)

RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I kinda think that scene is already pretty thin and short, I don’t know personally if what you gain from adding this Leia line is enough to cut out a couple of the back and forths and making it even shorter.

Whereas in a Rey Nobody you kind of have no choice but to cut it down. Speaking of, what was the alt line we landed on for this? “Leia sensed your struggle with the dark side”? Can you add that to the google drive?

I agree with you that I think the scenes would be better served if we keep as much of it as possible. The more you trim, the more edited it feels.

I actually disagree that it has to be cut down at all for Rey Nobody. I think you could keep the same amount of lines with just slight word changes and additions. The only line that would need to be cut would be “Because you’re a Palpatine.”

EDIT: For reference (with some slight touches for preference)

Luke (off screen): Leia saw it, too.
Rey: She didn’t tell me. She still trained me.
Luke (off screen): Because she saw your spirit-
Luke (on screen): -your heart.
Luke (off screen): She knew, because-
Luke (on screen): -some things are stronger than blood.
Luke (off screen): Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. A constant struggle. If you don’t face it-
Luke (on screen): -it will mean the end of the Jedi.
Luke (off screen): And you will be lost.
Luke (wide): There’s something my sister would want you to have.

Sometimes I think less is more.
(“A constant struggle” could also be Always”. Just thought it would be a more useful lesson than just saying “your destiny”)

I’m not sure the “stronger than blood” really works, it’s kind of a non sequitur since they’re not talking about her family or lineage. Maybe there’s a way to fit it but I don’t know what. Liking the rest though!

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’d like to hear from all of you which of these Poe lines sound the best? Also, which ones might pair together well?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/107YPYFjOXKBXthoIZl14wJ0OD0RyUjl7?usp=sharing

Please keep in mind that the background noise of some these is a little wonky, but ignore that. RL has the software that can make it clean.

In my opinion, #3 from each sound nicely when paired together.

In this context, Luke is saying that Leia knew Rey has a good spirit and heart because their bond was stronger than blood. I don’t think it is a non-sequitur.
Luke’s basically saying, “Leia saws those dark vision of you too, but she trained you anyway, because she saw your true spirit. She knew the real you, because your bond was stronger than blood.” That’s the idea at least.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’d like to hear from all of you which of these Poe lines sound the best? Also, which ones might pair together well?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/107YPYFjOXKBXthoIZl14wJ0OD0RyUjl7?usp=sharing

Please keep in mind that the background noise of some these is a little wonky, but ignore that. RL has the software that can make it clean.

In my opinion, #3 from each sound nicely when paired together.

I do think 3 sounds the best out of these options.

RogueLeader said:

In this context, Luke is saying that Leia knew Rey has a good spirit and heart because their bond was stronger than blood. I don’t think it is a non-sequitur.
Luke’s basically saying, “Leia saws those dark vision of you too, but she trained you anyway, because she saw your true spirit. She knew the real you, because your bond was stronger than blood.” That’s the idea at least.

Hmm, I get what you mean now, maybe there’s a line to be made that could get that idea across.

In my opinion, #3 from each sound nicely when paired together.

I like dread3 but empire4.

Seems like you put a lot of thought into all of it, but I dunno. I feel like it’s more compelling to have the two main antagonists at odds with each other (Kylo and Palpatine). Otherwise Kylo is right back to serving another master because they both want the same thing (Rey brought before Palpatine). It’s really just a rehash of Episodes 6 and 8.

Whereas the plan we currently have is extremely straightforward and can be summarized in a couple of sentences:

“Palpatine wants Rey dead because he wants to possess Kylo unimpeded, but Kylo anticipates this and wants Rey to join him so they can destroy Palpatine together. When Kylo turns back to the light, he sets his sights on Rey instead.”

If you wanted to just strengthen the current/theatrical plan, you could have Palpatine say something to Rey like, “Only the strongest can rule.”

Basically, having them fight only benefits Palpatine. If one kills the other, then nothing would stand in the way of him possessing the survivor. And whoever survives would be the stronger vessel. And Palpatine frames it as a test. Testing their skill and strength to see who can be the rightful heir.

“I never wanted you dead. I only wanted the strongest to rule.”
“Only the strongest can take the throne.”
Idk, something like that.

RogueLeader said:

“I never wanted you dead. I only wanted the strongest to rule.”
“Only the strongest can take the throne.”
Idk, something like that.

Lol that’s such a Palpatine thing to say, too. Like, he’s telling the truth, but he seriously wouldn’t have given a damn if Rey died because of this showdown.

Right? I had actually been rewriting Kylo’s dialogue throughout the film with a similar idea in mind as DZ. But after reading y’all’s convo, I think his motivation just could be clarified a little more. Luckily it is really only one or two lines.

Good news: most of Palpatine’s voice is located in the central channel. I’m shooting it your way shortly, RL.

If we want him to not giveaway his plan to Rey, then it would be best to rewrite his statements as him transferring her his power in death. It’s another one of those sickly half-truths. Yeah, she gets his power, but also loses her autonomy.

Given what we know from our new intro line (my spirit will pass into you) we know he is lying about this, but it would still be tempting for Rey.

Not that it has to be used for Ascendant, but this all lines up with how I’m rewriting Kylo’s dialogue! (Hopefully to make Rey’s insecurities and temptations clearer, and make Kylo’s dialogue sound less generic).