ANDOR - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread — Page 19

“Cool News: Tony Gilroy, creator/writer of @starwars #Andor, just announced that they are launching a website soon with all 12 scripts & tons of concept art - all free to read!” - https://twitter.com/yogoldsmith/status/1652825407652257792

I’ll look forward to that, especially the concept art!

jedi_bendu said:

I have a feeling Cassian will kill Luthen. Maybe a wild theory, but Cassian has to start working for Mon Mothma instead of Luthen at some point - I imagine he will help her escape when the Empire puts out a warrant for her arrest, which will lead to him being brought under her Rebel cell, the growing Rebel Alliance. Meanwhile Luthen is much closer to Saw in being an extremist figure and we know in Rogue One, Saw believed for a moment that the Rebellion might have ordered an assassination attempt on him. It’s not inconceivable that Mon could order that for Luthen, and use an old ally - Cassian - to get to him.

More than anything I think this would fit with the show’s themes. Contributing to Cassian’s Rogue One line about doing terrible things on behalf of the Rebellion, and playing into the idea that figures like Luthen and Saw are necessary to get a revolution off the ground, but are then discarded by the new leaders once it has advanced far enough (“I burn my life to make a sunrise I know I’ll never see…” etc). It would also provide interesting context for why, when Saw sees Jyn again, he suspects she might be there to kill him - if he knows that already happened to Luthen.

It’ll be sad to watch but I really hope this happens now.

That is an interesting idea. Maybe to flip and mirror it, you’d have Luthen somehow captured by the Imperials and the other Rebels concerned so much what he could give away during interrogation, they decide Luthen needs to be taken out. Cassian being the one to have to go in and do it?

“Cool News: Tony Gilroy, creator/writer of @starwars #Andor, just announced that they are launching a website soon with all 12 scripts & tons of concept art - all free to read!” - https://twitter.com/yogoldsmith/status/1652825407652257792

I’ll look forward to that, especially the concept art!

Neat but also a shame it kinda confirms no printed book will arrive.

NFBisms said:

Andor’s political statement continues with an economically friendly, free To access archive

Andor’s political statement is significantly diluted given that this statement is promulgated by a corporate behemoth traded on NYSE. But also, “Revolutionary message co-opted by hyper-bourgeois entertainment oligopoly - news at 11”

Mocata said:

“Cool News: Tony Gilroy, creator/writer of @starwars #Andor, just announced that they are launching a website soon with all 12 scripts & tons of concept art - all free to read!” - https://twitter.com/yogoldsmith/status/1652825407652257792

I’ll look forward to that, especially the concept art!

Neat but also a shame it kinda confirms no printed book will arrive.

That does suck.

I wonder if Tony Gilroy was told there wouldn’t be an ‘Art Of’ book for Andor, so he decided to do his website project. Or if Tony Gilroy said fuck it, make it all available for free, tough luck Disney?

The choppy and buggy Jedi Survivor game getting an ‘Art Of’ book, but not Andor, does see weird.
 

Like Emre and adywan said in here months ago, it seems “off” that there isn’t a Disney+ Gallery video for Andor, or Making Of video, or any VFX/BTS videos on the ILM YouTube, as there is, and has been, for everything else they have done.

Maybe they’ll all appear on this website of Gilroy’s? And he’s taking down Disney from the inside? 😉

Showrunner Tony Gilroy Ceases Producing Services on ‘Andor’

Tony Gilroy had previously stepped down from all writing duties, but is stepping away from the production entirely now too. The bad news? Production is not shutting down with him. Scripts have already been written but we all know they’re almost living, malleable things that get changed all the time. Greedy bastards, this is probably one of the few legitimate “fuck Disney” angles since the sell. Just shut the fucking production down. Goddammit they’ll ruin this. Hoping for the best, but I’m very, very skeptical now.

I hate big corporations… Once a company gets that big, all it cares about is money and the people are only a means to their end.

Omni said:

Showrunner Tony Gilroy Ceases Producing Services on ‘Andor’

Tony Gilroy had previously stepped down from all writing duties, but is stepping away from the production entirely now too. The bad news? Production is not shutting down with him. Scripts have already been written but we all know they’re almost living, malleable things that get changed all the time. Greedy bastards, this is probably one of the few legitimate “fuck Disney” angles since the sell. Just shut the fucking production down. Goddammit they’ll ruin this. Hoping for the best, but I’m very, very skeptical now.

This might not be as bad as it seems. My understanding of the article is that Gilroy stopped writing because of the writer’s strike. He then stopped producing as well because another writer tried to shame him for scabbing (not participating in the strike), explaining that “there’s no way a writer/producer can ‘finish’ writing and begin solely producing”.

I don’t know enough about the Hollywood writing process, the industry dynamics of the production process, or the rules or social expectations for WGA strikes, to comment intelligently about any of this, but my understanding is that Gilroy is simply participating in the writer’s strike, not officially stepping down from producing Andor to move on to some other project. It seems the line between writing and producing is fuzzy, creating difficult boundary cases for the strike. But if it’s true the scripts are already completed, it seems there’s a reasonable chance the production process will carry on without straying too far from Gilroy’s intentions or vision.

The problem isn’t what Gilroy is doing, it’s that Disney is moving production forward, not pausing it until he comes back.

RicOlie_2 said:

The problem isn’t what Gilroy is doing, it’s that Disney is moving production forward, not pausing it until he comes back.

Sorry maybe I’m just missing something or don’t understand enough about the situation, but where is it being reported that production is moving forward? If Gilroy cannot function as a producer without also performing writing duties, why would this restriction not apply to any potential replacement? Isn’t Lucasfilm (or Disney) required to be a “Guild Signatory” in order to hire WGA members? If so, wouldn’t that mean that if they replaced Gilroy with a different producer, that producer (1) could not be a WGA member and therefore could not write, and (2) would only be able to perform producing duties. Therefore, either (A) the scripts are completed and production can only proceed without modifying the scripts or (B) the scripts are not completed and therefore it would be impossible to move forward with production (or at least the parts of production that weren’t written yet).

Again, I don’t know too much about all this so maybe I’m missing something here. Is the fear that Disney will just replace Gilroy and then just ignore Guild Signatory obligations by lying about any additional writing work performed?

I think you’re right, as far as the article goes.

Omni, where did you hear that production was continuing without him?

I’ve also heard they are continuing to shoot without anyone related to writing on the set. I would imagine that with or without him the production schedule has deadlines to meet.

yeah i watched 5 episodes of this show and did not liked not because was bad or lame or poor made it just because i think is boring and andor is a bland for me just like rogue one good story bland characters

Skybatman said:

yeah i watched 5 episodes of this show and did not liked not because was bad or lame or poor made it just because i think is boring and andor is a bland for me just like rogue one good story bland characters

Bland? Far from it…these characters are written deeper than any SW characters yet in live action. But if your bored because no Jedi or mindless action with lightsabers? Yeah you’re gonna have a rough time.

its my opinion, and o get a what the show is trying to do but its not for me but its better than kenobi and fett for sure