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Disney Gallery: “The Making of Season 3” is out soon (though still next to nothing for Andor).

I’ll watch this out of curiosity on how they managed to produce something so underwhelming, after a great 1st season, and mixed-middling 2nd season. I do hope it will not full of cliches, PR-speak and “everything is great” type of fluffy interviews.
 

'Take a look behind the scenes of The Mandalorian.

Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian returns with an all-new special, “The Making of Season 3”, streaming June 28 only on
@DisneyPlus’ - https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1658140689098735619

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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Emre1601 said:

Disney Gallery: “The Making of Season 3” is out soon (though still next to nothing for Andor).

I’ll be giving that a miss. Maybe if some of you guys think it is a good watch I’ll change my mind. But they’ve been a little samey “PR type” shorts for a while.

 

According to Deadline, production for season 4 of Mandalorian may be delayed due to the writers’ strike:

https://deadline.com/2023/05/the-mandalorian-season-4-start-of-production-delayed-writers-strike-1235367725/

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JF was exaggerating when he said he’d finished writing seasons 4 and 5?

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NeverarGreat said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

According to Deadline, production for season 4 of Mandalorian may be delayed due to the writers’ strike.

Why?

A joke based on the lack of quality writing in season 3?

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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You would have thought there was a writers strike during season 3…🤔🤔

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I hope Mandalorian season 4 goes ahead despite the writers’ strike because I’m curious to see how much worse the writing can actually get.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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jedi_bendu said:

I hope Mandalorian season 4 goes ahead despite the writers’ strike because I’m curious to see how much worse the writing can actually get.

I think you’d get your wish…writers strike or not.

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NeverarGreat said:

Emre1601 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

According to Deadline, production for season 4 of Mandalorian may be delayed due to the writers’ strike.

Why?

A joke based on the lack of quality writing in season 3?

Correct.

😄

Filoni and Favreau both say The Mandalorian is basically “just playing with action figures” often enough!

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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Now that Pedro Pascal confirmed he’s hardly on set anymore and its mainly just voice work, it makes total sense how easy it was to sideline his character in season 3 when the actor doesn’t have to be there/doesn’t care anymore and can’t approve or disapprove of his character’s arc in person.

It’s just a very easy paid gig for him right now and I applaude it. May the mandalorian season 4 never happen and Disney fail spectacularly.

Indiana Jones might be the nail in the coffin/beginning of the end for these hacks at this point.

Everyone but a rare few are totally against them at this point, and all the legacies are exploited and ruined.

WHAT HAVE I DONE?
The Ancient Lore
Kenobi: A Star Wars Story
Harry Potter Revisited
Game of Thrones Film Edits
Titanic Restructured
… and more.

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Anjohan said:

Now that Pedro Pascal confirmed he’s hardly on set anymore and its mainly just voice work, it makes total sense how easy it was to sideline his character in season 3 when the actor doesn’t have to be there/doesn’t care anymore and can’t approve or disapprove of his character’s arc in person.

It’s just a very easy paid gig for him right now and I applaude it. May the mandalorian season 4 never happen and Disney fail spectacularly.

Indiana Jones might be the nail in the coffin/beginning of the end for these hacks at this point.

Everyone but a rare few are totally against them at this point, and all the legacies are exploited and ruined.

And this is what I meant when I said that you were too negative. It’s fine to constructively criticize Disney’s stuff in hopes that they’ll do better, but this just reads like you think everyone at Disney is an evil hack fraud who hates your childhood and deserves to be unemployed. They grew up with this stuff, just like you did. It’s just that some of them are making crappy choices, and that’s certainly no reason to want Kathleen Kennedy burned at the stake.

And as for you continuing to claim that Pedro was “sidelined” in Mando season 3, I fail to see how. Sure, Bo Katan was the one who actually took back Mandalore, but was there any indication that Din would be the one to do that? Bo Katan actually had a personal connection to Mandalore and its government, and a character arc that revolved around making amends for her allowing the planet to fall. There is no reason why Din should have taken her place, other than him being the main character (and a man, but let’s not talk about that). Other than that one thing, Din was still very active in the season, and it was definitely still “his show”.

I also hope they never make a season 4, though: not because I hate Kathleen Kennedy and want her to fail, but because I feel like Mando has exhausted pretty much all its storytelling capabilities by this point. Both Book of Boba and season 3 felt like they were stalling for time, in order to stretch a story that could have ended in one season into two. I sincerely hope they don’t stretch it out even further.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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but how are we supposed to feel cool and important if our discontent doesn’t karmically punish those who have the jobs we wished we had

Andor: The Rogue One Arc

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[Removed my own post]

I can’t bother the same
old positive/negative discussion points. We’re going in circles.

Let’s hope mandalorian season 4 doesn’t happen.

WHAT HAVE I DONE?
The Ancient Lore
Kenobi: A Star Wars Story
Harry Potter Revisited
Game of Thrones Film Edits
Titanic Restructured
… and more.

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StarkillerAG said:

I also hope they never make a season 4, though: not because I hate Kathleen Kennedy and want her to fail, but because I feel like Mando has exhausted pretty much all its storytelling capabilities by this point. Both Book of Boba and season 3 felt like they were stalling for time, in order to stretch a story that could have ended in one season into two. I sincerely hope they don’t stretch it out even further.

The same for me. It feels like a season 4 of Mandalorian would just be background for overlapping with Ahsoka and Skeleton Crew, with a probably return of the Boba Fett character. So it will be all nicely setup for the “climactic future event” in the Filoni New Republic film.
 

Right now, in my “head-canon”, The Mandalorian finished at the end of season 2. There was no BoBF or Mando seasons 3 & 4.

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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StarkillerAG said:

I know I say this too much, but if you’re really that done with Star Wars… why are you still here? It’s pointless to come into these threads every week just to complain about how Star Wars is dead to you, and Disney are a bunch of hacks, and you just don’t care anymore. If you really don’t care, just move on. Find something you actually like.

People still talk about it because it’s fun to talk about stuff

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Vladius said:

StarkillerAG said:

I know I say this too much, but if you’re really that done with Star Wars… why are you still here? It’s pointless to come into these threads every week just to complain about how Star Wars is dead to you, and Disney are a bunch of hacks, and you just don’t care anymore. If you really don’t care, just move on. Find something you actually like.

People still talk about it because it’s fun to talk about stuff

But I can’t imagine it’s fun to talk about something that only causes you pain at this point, and that’s the way a lot of the people I was addressing there seem to react to Star Wars. I’ve said my peace, though.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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maybe there is not anything else to do the content is not good enough but we still like sw but the way it is now its just sad
its more than obivius that people are giving up on star wars the lack of care are too visible now
like a said other times i am gonna watch ashoka because her its one of the best if that show sucks then i am done
but imagine other people who doesnt watched the Clone Wars
Sequels is disapointing
Book of Boba Fett is bad
Kenobi is bad
Mando season 3 is bad
Bad Batch is mid
of course that was gonna to happen it sucks because there is nothing to be said about its is obivius

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StarkillerAG said:

Vladius said:

StarkillerAG said:

I know I say this too much, but if you’re really that done with Star Wars… why are you still here? It’s pointless to come into these threads every week just to complain about how Star Wars is dead to you, and Disney are a bunch of hacks, and you just don’t care anymore. If you really don’t care, just move on. Find something you actually like.

People still talk about it because it’s fun to talk about stuff

But I can’t imagine it’s fun to talk about something that only causes you pain at this point, and that’s the way a lot of the people I was addressing there seem to react to Star Wars. I’ve said my peace, though.

Wow you just described Therapy and why people need to talk about things. Imagine that…

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StarkillerAG said:

Vladius said:

StarkillerAG said:

I know I say this too much, but if you’re really that done with Star Wars… why are you still here? It’s pointless to come into these threads every week just to complain about how Star Wars is dead to you, and Disney are a bunch of hacks, and you just don’t care anymore. If you really don’t care, just move on. Find something you actually like.

People still talk about it because it’s fun to talk about stuff

But I can’t imagine it’s fun to talk about something that only causes you pain at this point, and that’s the way a lot of the people I was addressing there seem to react to Star Wars. I’ve said my peace, though.

It causes pain but it’s cathartic to talk about it with other people that know what you’re talking about, and sometimes it’s painful in funny ways. Like the teen punks in Book of Boba Fett, it’s painful to watch and to think of the wasted potential but it’s also hilarious. It’s fun to dissect things like that and talk about how they could be done differently. That’s kind of the whole point of this site in the first place.

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Agreed. Also, even though I feel like Vladius has disagreed with my opinions from time to time, I really appreciate his perspective a lot (ame many other people here) and I feel like it kind of grounds me in some ways. I gain a new point of view often in those kinds of conversations.

Honestly, my takes are always in flux, but maybe that’s why.

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I get what you guys mean. Healthy debate is always good, and I find arguing about something I like to be incredibly mentally fulfilling.

I’m mostly just sick of fans, both on this site and others, who seem to have nothing valuable to offer beyond “This sucks, Disney ruined my childhood, I just don’t care anymore”. I’m fine with criticism, but there has to be some substance to it beyond vague anger at nothing in particular. Otherwise, it sounds less like genuine debate and more like a one-sided, depressing rant.

Luckily, most people here do contribute very valuable discussion (including you, Vlad), but the comment I was responding to in the first place was exactly the kind of ranting I’m talking about. I was responding to that, not any member of the site in particular.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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Still, if someone wants to have a bleak rant…let em. Sorry just because you don’t like it means you should call people out and persuade them to stop commenting. Not everything is built for some expanding discussion, just a comment. And like I’ve said if anyone gets “sick of” certain posting on this site…then you have other forum options. I’ve been on this forum since 2004 and only recently has there been this
labeling people “negative Nancy’s” because their Kenobi gushing got challenged or whatever.

I ignore plenty of posts in here that make my eyes roll…I suggest this practice. Ignore it.

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I think for me the problem with fans recently is less about the opinions themselves, and more the rhetoric used / perception-of-industry expressed through them. Like, I did not like BOBF or Mandalorian, and Obi-Wan was pretty bad - but there’s this broad refusal to engage with why they might have turned out that way, in favor of an easy boogeyman scapegoat - Disney The Apparently Principled Entity, Kathleen Kennedy The Devil, Hacks On Payroll etc. - and like, not actually any of the stuff that could be interesting to dissect about the work. Did you hear Pedro Pascal doesn’t care about Mando anymore???

If it’s not melodramatic doomerism about a franchise, it’s gossip and agenda-driven speculation, not really about critique. You can have gripes, I have gripes, negativity is fun, but when you start pairing it with the most brain-dead understanding of the industry, I just mentally check out. And I think what rubs me the wrong way ultimately is that it contributes to Art As Content; all accountability goes straight to the top - the President, a CEO, the Corpo. These movies and shows are their products in the practical sense, sure, but the medium is still Art. It sucks to have the attitude of audience shift to this mode of Dissatisfied Consumer. That’s not the same as being a critic.

(NOTE: I also actually think “constructive criticism” in that way isn’t too much better. That’s still entitled.)

And look, I’m not about attacking, say, Deborah Chow or Rick Famuyiwa or Robert Rodriguez, even Filoni/Favreau personally. That would probably suck more. But they are still the authors of their work. And yes, corporate influence is real too! But parsing out where creative meets that in the middle, or even fails to compromise, is closer to what productive speculation would look like. You’re just harder pressed to really go in and be as mean as you want when the target is no longer a dehumanized Thing - which I get it - it’s probably a “fun” part of Narrativizing Media Dissatisfaction as anti-corporate “rebellion”. It’s just really not That, and the smugness about it is grating.

I think what makes it continually frustrating is that we also now have more instances in this new governance, of outliers to that Narrative, like Andor or Visions. You don’t even have to like them to see that collaboration and creativity isn’t as suppressed or micromanaged as some YouTube grifter would have you think. Hollywood isn’t just the execs, it’s also everyone working in it, and while you don’t have to automatically like everything because Someone worked on a thing - don’t you want to like more things? Media is communication, the process of receiving / deciphering shouldn’t be binary. We’ve moved far beyond telegraphs, right?

If it’s “fun” to talk about stuff, then think about stuff too.

Andor: The Rogue One Arc