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Did they actually visit Disney World in this latest episode? They found a planet that looks like Epcot Center or something, and has a monorail that takes you to all the attractions.

They also had two Mandalorians fighting on a freshly cut green lawn on a nice sunny day. I could just feel the parking lot right off screen. You just… can’t film Star Wars like that.

This series is really getting out of control.

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Today’s episode has me feeling pretty dejected. That was honestly a terrible experience. This can’t even be considered “filler”, it’s just completely wasted time and money. There was no more time to blow this season if it was going to turn into anything worthwhile. You had 3 episodes (~2 hours of content) to build a compelling narrative out of all the tiny teasers they’ve been throwing out, but they completely blew it with this one. There’s simply no way this season can be good now. Yes, we might get 1-2 entertaining episodes (except we STILL have to waste time on the “rebuilding IG-11” plot) but this has been as disappointing as Book of Boba for me.

I don’t mean to sound so dreary, but my honest reaction is that this sapped almost all of my excitement for the future of the Mandalorian. It took over 2 years to write and produce this? How? With such a long break I’m expecting absolute top tier content and Season 3 has utterly failed to deliver on that.

It’s not even that each of the scenes in this episode were outright terrible and this might have worked in a 15+ episode season, but this is inexcusable in an 8 episode storyline. “Filler” episodes need to provide further characterization and continue to build tension in some way by causing the viewer to become further invested in a particular character. For example, we could have had a filler episode here where we learn more about the Armorer and why she suddenly was okay with Bo taking the helmet off. But no, we go on a side quest to a side quest that only further reinforces the “Din hates droids” personality which doesn’t even make sense after his time with IG. It’s directionless and pointless. 3/10 episode in a 5/10 season.

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Honestly I didn’t mind this one. Terrible lighting and bad cameo actor performances aside (seriously why was the palace and the duel in flat daylight?) it was just a random adventure. It was fun unlike the slog on Coruscant. The last two parts will have to be amazing but y’know that was always the case.

They need to fire whoever allowed the alien voices in the opening though. You remember how in the original movies a lot of the local actors were dubbed over? This is why.

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This is the worst Star Wars content and worst storytelling i´ve witnessed for years. No excuses.

Pedro should leave this shitshow befare they put Din Djarin through a gender swapping operation and retcon his story to reveal that the true hero of his story is in fact Mon Mothma.

The cringe om this episode. The Voice acting. The effects. The cinematography. The storytelling. THE DIALOGUE! The new characters! E V E R Y T H I N G was totally and utterly a complete failure. They even retconned Din Djarins path to save Mandalore that was heavily hinted at in season 2 and shifted it to a vague side character because… what? Shes fucking female? Star wars is dying.

WHAT HAVE I DONE?
The Ancient Lore
Kenobi: A Star Wars Story
Harry Potter Revisited
Game of Thrones Film Edits
Titanic Restructured
… and more.

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this season suffers from lack of focus weeks laters i ask what was the point of the episode 1 3 and now this one Disney doenst know what to do sw is obvious but dave filoni he worked with G.L and he dosent know what he is doing is just wow how can he fucked up this bad

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Anjohan said:

This is the worst Star Wars content and worst storytelling i´ve witnessed for years. No excuses.

Pedro should leave this shitshow befare they put Din Djarin through a gender swapping operation and retcon his story to reveal that the true hero of his story is in fact Mon Mothma.

The cringe om this episode. The Voice acting. The effects. The cinematography. The storytelling. THE DIALOGUE! The new characters! E V E R Y T H I N G was totally and utterly a complete failure. They even retconned Din Djarins path to save Mandalore that was heavily hinted at in season 2 and shifted it to a vague side character because… what? Shes fucking female? Star wars is dying.

I couldn’t agree more lol.

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This show has literally become “how many pop culture actors can we get on here?” and it is just ruining the immersion way too much.

Shitty writing is okay in a long running TV show from time to time as it normally rebounds the next season, but this is fricken laughable. Does Kathy really have Jon and Dave locked in her basement at gunpoint?

Compare this last episode to ANY episode in S1 (or even S2 for that matter) and it tonally feels like a different show. There is ZERO direction moving forward. The season is almost over and about 70% of it could be cut and no details would be missed!

This is NOT the way…

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Compare this last episode to ANY episode in S1 (or even S2 for that matter) and it tonally feels like a different show.

the filler episodes in season 1 and 2 was just 2 episodes and in my opinion was fun, in season 3 the plot it self is the filler

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It’s obvious they really didn’t have much of a story here. We can speculate that this was the result of some studio mandate forcing Grogu back into the narrative. I give that a ~90% likelihood of being true, since Grogu has little effect on the story-line. But even if true, it doesn’t seem like there was any well-defined story involving Din by himself either. Rather, it seems the writers just lost interest after Season 2 and didn’t really have much further story to tell.

Plus, they keep talking about “retaking Mandalore” as if it was an enemy-occupied territory. But it’s just a desolate nuclear wasteland. What does it even mean to “retake” it? Anyone is free to head over to Mandalore and start building some houses if they want. The only thing they need to “retake” it from is a high probability of thyroid cancer from radioactive iodine over the next 20,000 years.

I kind of suspect the writers haven’t really even thought this through, which is why a lot of the episodes this season sort of just string you along with filler, evading the main through-line. The same thing happened with Book of Boba Fett, where there was barely any story (or just dead-end story lines, like that Hutt brother & sister) up until the second-to-last episode, leaving the finale to resolve the paper-thin story.

On the other hand, The Mandalorian was always partially an episodic “side quest of the week” show. But this was easier to enjoy back in Season 1 when the show was just this small-scale adventure across backwater worlds. The simple through-line of “protect the child” was enough to carry the show. But in Season 3 we have multiple larger-scale plot-lines that barely even involve Din Djarin, and it all congeals into a sense of aimlessness. After the through-line of bathing in the subterranean waters was resolved early, the only remaining through-lines are (1) retake Mandalore (whatever that means) or (2) some ominous vagueness about Gideon or some undefined Imperial threat. And neither of these through-lines really even involve Din Djarin personally, apart from the fact that he happens to have the Dark Saber (an object that he doesn’t seem to care about that much.) But worst of all, I think, is that this Season nullified all the emotional consequences of the previous season. This casts a pretty dark shadow of apathy over the whole show, exacerbating the aimlessness and making it a lot harder to care about anything going forward.

Personally, I think it would have been more interesting if they used Bo Katan as an antagonist to Din (which is where I thought they were going), but it seems that is not the case. In retrospect, making her an antagonist would be difficult since Din doesn’t really give a shit about the Dark Saber or leading Mandalore or anything like that.

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Anjohan said:

This is the worst Star Wars content and worst storytelling i´ve witnessed for years. No excuses.

Pedro should leave this shitshow befare they put Din Djarin through a gender swapping operation and retcon his story to reveal that the true hero of his story is in fact Mon Mothma.

The cringe om this episode. The Voice acting. The effects. The cinematography. The storytelling. THE DIALOGUE! The new characters! E V E R Y T H I N G was totally and utterly a complete failure. They even retconned Din Djarins path to save Mandalore that was heavily hinted at in season 2 and shifted it to a vague side character because… what? Shes fucking female? Star wars is dying.

I agree with the gist of what you’re saying, but I would prefer if you didn’t blame “wokeness” or whatever for the show’s downfall. Mando is going to hell, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not because there are too many female characters. And there hasn’t been a single trans character in anything Disney, so I don’t know where you got that from.

But overall, everyone else has summed it up much better than I possibly could. This new season is possibly the most aimless story I’ve ever seen. There’s no structure, no character development, not even a real through-line other than colonizing a radioactive wasteland (great idea, Bo). It’s obvious that Favreau was obligated by Disney to continue the story part season 2, and he’s just churning out passionless scripts when the story he wanted to tell ended more than 2 years ago.

For me, Mando will always end with Din watching as Luke takes Grogu to be trained, with a mixture of sadness and pride on his face. Favreau clearly didn’t give a shit about anything afterwards, so why should I?

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Agree with everyone here. The Mandoverse has sunk at an alarming rate. The first two seasons were not a masterclass in writing, but it had a very clear throughline, with clearly defined characters, who had an arc. The lone gunman approach served the first two seasons very well. Then came TBOBF, which was surprisingly bad. The only highlights were the Mando episodes, which gave the impression, that TBOBF was just a placeholder for the main event, the third season of Mando. The fact that they undid the story of the first two seasons in a spin-off show was of course a big red flag. Sadly, this new season is every bit as aimless as TBOBF. Like Boba Fett Din Jarin is a side character in his own show. I don’t know why they brought back Grogu, because he’s little more than a prop now. After the writing masterclass that is Andor, the drop in the quality of the writing of this show is all the more jarring.

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I’m gonna be the one guy that says that I’ve enjoyed these episodes on their own, but it is frustrating how they seem to not have any sort of overarching story or character arc for Din Djarin. Season 1 and 2 are way better. It’s just subplot after subplot, and I enjoy the subplots (mostly) but there’s no main plot. The only thing I can say is that it seems to be building something between Din and Bo-Katan that I’m interested in seeing where it leads. I like the rapport they build and this is the first time that Bo has ever been a likable character for me. I like the cute Grogu moments, the creature design, Ahmed Best, and Bo-Katan joining The Children of the Watch. But again, where’s the story? And where tf is Gus Fring-I mean Moff Gideon? Gideon was such an awesome villain and we have nothing from him yet.

I was giving the earlier episodes a lot of slack because I figured they were building to something and it was more of a slow burn, but now there’s only two episodes left. What’s going on?

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Personally I love what Mandalorian season 3 is doing, since in including Rebels references like the purrgil and zeb while becoming absolute dogshit at the same time, it’s pushing mando fans away and encouraging them to watch Rebels instead. Awesome work Jon, keep it up.

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So, the planet is called Plazir, sounding like the french word plaisir, meaning pleasure… The royal couple (elected? again?) is ridiculously over the top, they have ridiculously over the top parties, like, as we say in french, une monarchie d’opérette, as if they were in a lighthearted comedic musical about royals. (If you though the casino sequence in The Last Jedi was over the top…)

And those royals said to Bo and Din: “we respect your gun culture”? Isn’t that absolutely tone-deaf in the current political climate in the US?

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Also, this is more of a nitpick, but when Din and Bo Katan first arrive at Disney World planet, the planet’s local computer remotely takes over control of Bo’s ship and begins piloting it. So apparently it’s possible to do that. Bo acts like there’s nothing she can do about it. And this exploit is never used in battles to force enemy ships to crash because… … ??

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This show has become a parody of itself. It seems they takes requests from celebrities to see who wants to cameo next. It’s closer in tone now to Saturday night live than Star Wars now. And yes. The fish head romance was like a bad high school play.

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“Fantastic episode! I gasped when I saw Jack and Izzo…I screamed when I saw Christopher Lloyd! How can you not like this show??”

That is what I just read on Facebook. That was all it took to sell this guy. Might as well just blow up paper bags and pop them at this point…new SW fans are just cameo geeks.

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Fan_edit_fan said:

New SW fans are just cameo geeks.

Yeah, I can tell. It sometimes feels like I’m going crazy when I check other Star Wars communities, because everyone outside of this site is blindly praising this piece of shit season for no reason other than “OMG did they just canonize Blab Gizzlesticks from that one EU book??? I CLAPPED when that one Gungan turned out to be voiced by Chris Pratt!!! STAR WARS IS BACK BABY!!!”

It’s just such an infantile way to engage with media, prioritizing the cheap thrill of being able to point and yell at your TV screen over having any sort of meaningful connection with the story or characters. People may have complained that Star Wars fans were too negative in the pre-Disney+ era, but at least fans actually cared about good storytelling back then.

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Man, I loved this one. Lol. So corny. I had such a good time.

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Well you know, Disney paid like $4 billion so they can generate endless excitement/engagement by simply shooting out more things we recognize from old VHS tapes. When will I get a god damn Lobot cameo??? Lobot cameo = +200.00 USD Walt Disney Co. NYSE:DIS

Back in the 70s, George Lucas had to actually make up new things to sell to 20th Century Fox. At first he tried to just purchase some nice Flash Gordon cameos, but that didn’t pan out so he inadvertently created the most awesome thing ever conceived of by H. Sapiens.

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So, all this stuff that people have said prepared me for an awful waste of time, but I actually enjoyed this one a lot!

This season has been hit and miss, the development is generally slow as shit, and Star Wars is too memberberry saturated, I agree, but this week’s corny, questionably acted story was… fun? They got to solve a fun little mystery, some universe building was universe builded, and the “reunite mandalore” plot was advanced in an organic way.

Reminded me of the cartoon Filoni shows, except I couldn’t sit through those usually. I guess maybe I’m just happy with this because in the other new show I’m watching (Picard… but probably not watching anymore) everyone is miserable, grieving, crying, dying, and living in a dystopian nightmare world (that series is supposed to take place in a utopian future btw)

reylo?

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The problem is the fact that there’s only 8 episodes. An episode like this would be “fine” if we got 12 to 16 episodes like the cartoons or Andor get. But when we’re only getting 8 episodes… it feels like a waste to do episodes like this.

It especially doesn’t help when barely anything has happened in the 6 out of 8 episodes we’ve gotten this season.

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What some see as “barely anything” happening, others may see as Bo and Din going through mythological character journeys along their way to reuniting and restoring Mandalore both literally and spiritually, and rediscovering what that means… (it is a bit slow though, but, well, it’s also not like they have to resolve a dozen threads by the end anyway)

reylo?

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More like watching a spoof created by drunk college students and done in post-production by a rich studio, you ask me, but each their own I guess.

The thing is the show went from a linear, engaging sci-fi western with a father protecting his kid and now it’s turned into a cringeworthy, all-over-the-place Disney world with the main characters in the background and side characters in the foreground and no clear obstacles or goals for the main characters to overcome or seek after. 😉

WHAT HAVE I DONE?
The Ancient Lore
Kenobi: A Star Wars Story
Harry Potter Revisited
Game of Thrones Film Edits
Titanic Restructured
… and more.

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KumoNin said:

What some see as “barely anything” happening, others may see as Bo and Din going through mythological character journeys along their way to reuniting and restoring Mandalore both literally and spiritually, and rediscovering what that means… (it is a bit slow though, but, well, it’s also not like they have to resolve a dozen threads by the end anyway)

Take 5 minutes from every episode and we may get a 45 minute edit that does that.