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You make a good point.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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A new Return of the Jedi. basically the same movie but with some different exposition. In the past, the “real” Darth Vader kidnaps and has his wicked way with Mrs. Skywalker. Anakin has to free her but is killed. Obi-Wan of course wouldn’t know that Anakin is not the daddy.

So in ROTJ we have Darth Daddy rather than Obi-Wan The Liar. Leia wouldn’t even be a sibling to Luke. Maybe she is the real progeny of Anakin Skywalker. Or maybe she’s just Bail Organa’s biological daughter. Leia hates Luke because he reveals he is the son of Vader (instead of her brother) but at the end she knows the hate is misguided. But she’s already got with Han, which leaves room for romantic questioning in the future.

So we shall put this fantasy into an idea where Luke has a more ambiguous flirtation with the dark side. Sequels continued coming out every three years 1986 1989 etc. There is no OT but an ongoing triennial series of movies in various episode order so as to foment maximum anticipation. The prequels would end up being more in line with all the hints we hear from Ben and Yoda. Anakin was a cool dude, and Obi-Wan’s friend, but is not Darth Vader or Luke’s dad.

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“Boba Fett” is a stupid name. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kershner or whomever realized that during production of TESB, which is why he’s only ever referred to as “bounty hunter” in the final film.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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He should’ve had a sister named Kiki Fett with a spiky helmet

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The reshoot footage in the PT is something you can’t un-notice once you notice it, especially with regard to wigs and fake beards.

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BedeHistory731 said:

The reshoot footage in the PT is something you can’t un-notice once you notice it, especially with regard to wigs and fake beards.

I need to know which scenes!

Move along, move along.

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Here’s one: I don’t think Dave Filoni is “saving Star Wars”.

Rebels was his birthchild and it was very well done. He also was a good fit as Supervising Director on Clone Wars I feel. But going into Clone Wars S7 and beyond I’ve had trouble connecting to anything he’s been a part of.

Mandalorian started off pretty decent, though I don’t enjoy his take on Mandalorians (mostly because he tried bringing over elements of EU Mandos, which I also am not crazy about.) Season Two was a bumpy ride but still enjoyable for the most part, the abundance of grand cameos took me out of it.

The final season of Clone Wars was disastrous I thought, and completely took Ahsoka’s character off the rails. Its the small things about how she is portrayed I don’t like there. She acts hypocritically and the way the episodes are edited and planned out make her look like she’s always in the right, with no consequences or realization either.

And while he wasn’t the prime director on stuff like Boba Fett, his influence over these side projects and the MCU-like nature of the “Mando-verse” is something I am strongly against and I’ve already clocked out of these series.

But here’s the thing, I’m not trying to “hate” on him or whatever. I do think he is a very talented and creative individual who cares deeply about the stories, characters and fans. I just disagree with his vision most times and his stuff just isn’t for me and that’s okay.

There’s always going to be different types of stories for different people. I love Solo. I love Visions. I thought Fallen Order was excellent. There are things like Rogue Squadron that I am looking forward to.

Move along, move along.

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Yeah, that’s my biggest criticism of Filoni. His insistence on shoehorning Ahsoka in every piece of expanded SW material.

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There’s the ever more common perception that Star Wars has always been made primarily for children, and I think Filoni has a lot to do with crafting that perception. Dude has like two types of stories to tell (doing favors and found family), and he tells them over and over without any subtlety or complexity. It’s not that these stories are bad, but at a certain point it feels like Star Wars should be more than that.

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NeverarGreat said:

There’s the ever more common perception that Star Wars has always been made primarily for children, and I think Filoni has a lot to do with crafting that perception. Dude has like two types of stories to tell (doing favors and found family), and he tells them over and over without any subtlety or complexity. It’s not that these stories are bad, but at a certain point it feels like Star Wars should be more than that.

100% agree. Too much found family/lone wolf and cub for me lol.

Move along, move along.

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After Star Wars Rebels I’ve chosen to stay away from any animated SW series, because they tend to talk down to kids as if they were idiots.

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Yeah, agreed with everyone else on Filoni’s lack of subtlety. It’s hard to take Clone Wars fans who gush about how “dark and mature” the show is seriously when the show literally states the moral at the beginning like an episode of GI Joe. Filoni has some good ideas, but he needs someone like Favreau to moderate his more childish impulses.

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StarkillerAG said:

Yeah, agreed with everyone else on Filoni’s lack of subtlety. It’s hard to take Clone Wars fans who gush about how “dark and mature” the show is seriously when the show literally states the moral at the beginning like an episode of GI Joe. Filoni has some good ideas, but he needs someone like Favreau to moderate his more childish impulses.

I’m glad you mention the Clone Wars. I think the show is good, don’t get me wrong, but every time someone talks about how “dark” it is I raise an eyebrow. Even in the show’s “darker” episodes, like the Umbara arc, its all intercut with goofy antics or fun action/adventure to try to keep the kids entertained. And I don’t have any issue with stories being aimed more towards kids or whatever, but I’m not going to pretend Clone Wars as a whole was “dark and mature.”

This ties into something I’ve been thinking about lately when it comes to media and entertainment, “what makes something for kids?”

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I always considered TCW the kind of TV series you watch to pass the time, certainly not the masterpiece of TV storytelling fans make it out to be.

In regards to the violence, it was edgy enough for a kids show, as they did show on-screen deaths and the occasional lightsaber impalement, whereas SWR severely watered it down as whenever a character was killed they always cut away to a reaction shot or somesuch.

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It may not have been handled well or built up well as a twist, but Luke and Leia’s relationship works better as a fraternal one than a romantic one.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Servii said:

It may not have been handled well or built up well as a twist, but Luke and Leia’s relationship works better as a fraternal one than a romantic one.

Which reminds me.

The decision to all but gut the Luke-Leia-Han love triangle from TESB was a mistake. It’s made it easier for Lucas to shoehorn that terrible sister retcon in when he made ROTJ.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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Superweapon VII said:

Servii said:

It may not have been handled well or built up well as a twist, but Luke and Leia’s relationship works better as a fraternal one than a romantic one.

Which reminds me.

The decision to all but gut the Luke-Leia-Han love triangle from TESB was a mistake. It’s made it easier for Lucas to shoehorn that terrible sister retcon in when he made ROTJ.

Yeah, I think he just couldn’t come up with a way to resolve that triangle neatly. He wanted Han to win, but at the same time, he didn’t want Luke to “lose”, if that makes sense.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Sometimes I feel the Star Wars universe is unnecessarily big and confused, and that it contains a disproportionate amount of material, although there’s no need to. If I were George Lucas, this is the way I would have organized the Star Wars universe from the beginning:

  • A “Down of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the birth of the Jedi and the Republic.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style comic series to explore the birth of the Sith and the Great War between the Jedi and the Sith, which leed to the Sith “extinction” at Russan.
  • A trilogy of comics to explore Darth Bane’s story.
  • A “Star Wars: Republic” style long comic series to explore the whole Prequel Era, the Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall. No Prequel films, everything Is made in comics.
  • A “Star Wars: Dark Times” style comic series to explore the Dark Times.
  • The Original Trilogy.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the post-ROTJ period, at least until the definitive defeat of the Empire.

That’s it. This way, there wouldn’t be too much material, the universe outside of the movies wouldn’t be so big, and perhaps people would be less confused.

“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker

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Spartacus01 said:

Sometimes I feel the Star Wars universe is unnecessarily big and confused, and that it contains a disproportionate amount of material, although there’s no need to. If I were George Lucas, this is the way I would have organized the Star Wars universe from the beginning:

  • A “Down of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the birth of the Jedi and the Republic.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style comic series to explore the birth of the Sith and the Great War between the Jedi and the Sith, which leed to the Sith “extinction” at Russan.
  • A trilogy of comics to explore Darth Bane’s story.
  • A “Star Wars: Republic” style long comic series to explore the whole Prequel Era, the Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall. No Prequel films, everything Is made in comics.
  • A “Star Wars: Dark Times” style comic series to explore the Dark Times.
  • The Original Trilogy.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the post-ROTJ period, at least until the definitive defeat of the Empire.

That’s it. This way, there wouldn’t be too much material, the universe outside of the movies wouldn’t be so big, and perhaps people would be less confused.

The issue you run into with a really tight, concrete canon is that the duds are harder to ignore. If a book, show, or movie is hard canon and ends up being really bad, all future material still has adhere to it.

I personally prefer a looser, more open canon because it makes the universe feel bigger, in a way. It may be more confusing for someone new to it, but it’s also more interesting. If you lay out an exact timeline and every story in the canon is designed for the purpose of explaining each stage of the timeline, you run the risk of the stories becoming boring or predictable.

In hindsight, Lucasfilm’s choice to label the old EU stories as “Legends” was actually kind of brilliant. These are all meant be stories from a long time ago, so of course they’d be legends, and just like real world myths and legends, they grew organically over time and often contradicted each other.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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In my opinion, George Lucas should never have done the Prequel Trilogy, and he should have gave the responsibility of writing the Prequel story to the Expanded Universe authors from the 90s and 2000s. Instead of having a Prequel Trilogy, I would have liked the entire Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall to be developed in a very long comic series, like Tales of the Jedi but even longer. Like, I would have loved to see Lucas abandoning his plans for making the Prequels in 1996/1997, and giving Tom Veitch the task of writing a long comic series to tell Anakin’s fall and his adventures during the Clone Wars. This way, we could have had both Tales of the Jedi and a long Prequel comic series. I would have still liked the current Prequel actors to serve as models for the appearance of the characters, though. So, Hayden Christensen would still be Anakin, Natalie Portman would still be Anakin’s wife/girlfriend, and Ewan McGregor would still be Obi-Wan.

“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker

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Spartacus01 said:

In my opinion, George Lucas should never have done the Prequel Trilogy, and he should have gave the responsibility of writing the Prequel story to the Expanded Universe authors from the 90s and 2000s. Instead of having a Prequel Trilogy, I would have liked the entire Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall to be developed in a very long comic series, like Tales of the Jedi but even longer. Like, I would have loved to see Lucas abandoning his plans for making the Prequels in 1996/1997, and giving Tom Veitch the task of writing a long comic series to tell Anakin’s fall and his adventures during the Clone Wars. This way, we could have had both Tales of the Jedi and a long Prequel comic series. I would have still liked the current Prequel actors to serve as models for the appearance of the characters, though. So, Hayden Christensen would still be Anakin, Natalie Portman would still be Anakin’s wife/girlfriend, and Ewan McGregor would still be Obi-Wan.

A part of me agrees, but the other part of me believes that the prequel era should’ve remained a mystery. And I utterly and completely loathe the Padme character, both in how she’s written and performed. I’d insist on the Mother Skywalker character being completely reimagined.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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And I utterly and completely loathe the Padme character, both in how she’s written and performed.

I don’t share your opinion. I love Padmé the way she is. In fact, in my Prequel rewrite she’s basically the same character, I don’t change anything about her.

“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker

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Servii said:

Spartacus01 said:

Sometimes I feel the Star Wars universe is unnecessarily big and confused, and that it contains a disproportionate amount of material, although there’s no need to. If I were George Lucas, this is the way I would have organized the Star Wars universe from the beginning:

  • A “Down of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the birth of the Jedi and the Republic.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style comic series to explore the birth of the Sith and the Great War between the Jedi and the Sith, which leed to the Sith “extinction” at Russan.
  • A trilogy of comics to explore Darth Bane’s story.
  • A “Star Wars: Republic” style long comic series to explore the whole Prequel Era, the Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall. No Prequel films, everything Is made in comics.
  • A “Star Wars: Dark Times” style comic series to explore the Dark Times.
  • The Original Trilogy.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the post-ROTJ period, at least until the definitive defeat of the Empire.

That’s it. This way, there wouldn’t be too much material, the universe outside of the movies wouldn’t be so big, and perhaps people would be less confused.

The issue you run into with a really tight, concrete canon is that the duds are harder to ignore. If a book, show, or movie is hard canon and ends up being really bad, all future material still has adhere to it.

IMO, Disney should consider the movies something like a “Main Saga” and everything else sort of like an Expanded Universe, which are on different tiers of canon.

In fact, it would probably be a good idea to split it into more than two tiers of canon. Like, George Lucas’s 6 movies are obviously on the top tier of canon as the core story the rest is based on, but then on the next tier you could have stuff like The Clone Wars which is clearly core canon but still lower than 1-6. Then you’d have stuff like novels and comics, the main bulk of what I’m thinking I’d call the “Expanded Star Wars Universe”, and then at the bottom you’d have stuff which conforms to canon but doesn’t define it. This would really work out, especially with such an anal fanbase. I’m not sure why Disney doesn’t do this.

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SparkySywer said:

Servii said:

Spartacus01 said:

Sometimes I feel the Star Wars universe is unnecessarily big and confused, and that it contains a disproportionate amount of material, although there’s no need to. If I were George Lucas, this is the way I would have organized the Star Wars universe from the beginning:

  • A “Down of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the birth of the Jedi and the Republic.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style comic series to explore the birth of the Sith and the Great War between the Jedi and the Sith, which leed to the Sith “extinction” at Russan.
  • A trilogy of comics to explore Darth Bane’s story.
  • A “Star Wars: Republic” style long comic series to explore the whole Prequel Era, the Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall. No Prequel films, everything Is made in comics.
  • A “Star Wars: Dark Times” style comic series to explore the Dark Times.
  • The Original Trilogy.
  • A “Tales of the Jedi” style long comic series to explore the post-ROTJ period, at least until the definitive defeat of the Empire.

That’s it. This way, there wouldn’t be too much material, the universe outside of the movies wouldn’t be so big, and perhaps people would be less confused.

The issue you run into with a really tight, concrete canon is that the duds are harder to ignore. If a book, show, or movie is hard canon and ends up being really bad, all future material still has adhere to it.

IMO, Disney should consider the movies something like a “Main Saga” and everything else sort of like an Expanded Universe, which are on different tiers of canon.

In fact, it would probably be a good idea to split it into more than two tiers of canon. Like, George Lucas’s 6 movies are obviously on the top tier of canon as the core story the rest is based on, but then on the next tier you could have stuff like The Clone Wars which is clearly core canon but still lower than 1-6. Then you’d have stuff like novels and comics, the main bulk of what I’m thinking I’d call the “Expanded Star Wars Universe”, and then at the bottom you’d have stuff which conforms to canon but doesn’t define it. This would really work out, especially with such an anal fanbase. I’m not sure why Disney doesn’t do this.

That’s a brilliant idea! Wait, that sounds familiar…

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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I remember those tiers. I found them absurd then and I still do now.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy