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Vladius said:

Emre1601 said:

adywan said:

They really should have got rid of all the useless fluff from the other episodes and developed this finale more into 2 eps. It felt rushed. Sadly they strengthened the bond between Ben & Leia which makes her reaction to his death in ANH even more cold. But this ep did seem to be a bit of a box ticker, which was a shame.

I did think Obi-Wan telling Leia their connection must be kept a secret, to protect both of them, was a good bypass of the hologram message from Leia in the OT.

It’s not. All the same problems are still there. By the time she’s contacting him, if the message is intercepted then both of their covers are blown anyway, so it doesn’t matter if she uses weird cagey language to suggest they don’t know each other.

Totally. It seems the screenwriters had anticipated all the complains about continuity and felt really smart about resolving it all in the last minutes. Except they don’t solve a mess by making it dumber. I guess no one knows how to write at Lucasfilms.

So long 🙌

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Ewok movies aren’t canon.

AOTC is way better the Ben show…

And at least TROS was dumb but funny because so dumb. BOBF is just inconsequential. I don’t mind as it doesn’t fuck up important characters of the Saga.

So long 🙌

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MalaStrana#2 said:

Ewok movies aren’t canon.

AOTC is way better the Ben show…

And at least TROS was dumb but funny because so dumb. BOBF is just inconsequential. I don’t mind as it doesn’t fuck up important characters of the Saga.

But I think you’re intensely overselling how much Kenobi “fucked up” characters (I rather like all the steps it took with the characters, albeit some executions could’ve been better than others), but that’s just me.

Also, AOTC is much worse than “the Ben show” because at least the Ben show didn’t make its female lead look like an enabler (which AOTC made Padme out to be). It also didn’t ruin a character’s redemption by making them look like an unhinged jerk. But once again, it’s just my opinion.

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Bridger12 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

I wonder if it might be the worst thing that ever happened in Star Wars canon.

The Chuck Wendig books exist.

So in movie/tv media then.

Nope, that’s still AOTC, the Ewok movies, BOBF, or TROS, depending on how a person is feeling that day.

Don’t forget the Holiday Special.

I find it charmingly bad, in a way that only something produced in the late-'70s could be. Plus, it has a funny Rifftrax (Mike > Joel).

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Okay, how on Earth did Joby Harold got the job to write this anyway? We were watching a first draft throughout, and his other acting credits are very questionable. Makes no sense to give your biggest streaming project yet to… some dude.

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I have a lot of good and bad thoughts on the finale, but I have to say, the darkness of the shots in these episodes were worse than the Long Night episode of Game of Thrones. My dad and I just had to guess what was going on on Tatooine. Maybe it would be better if I watched it on my phone or something, but it ruined any potential emotional moment Reva had. Sounds like it was emotional, at least!

Also, I have to say the shaky cam cinematography of these lightsaber duels is embarrassing. I think it is going to make this show feel dated when looking back it years down the road.

I think the finale did tie up some things in an interesting way, but I feel like Obi-Wan leaving Anakin/Vader alive is a weird decision. Like, years down the road he is going to tell Luke that he HAS to kill Vader, but he couldn’t even do it himself… TWICE… when he easily could’ve finished him off.

It was cool to have Hayden in the suit and Ewan do a scene together. I think Obi-Wan was tearing up, but again, kinda hard to tell with how dark it was. I didn’t like the Force Unleashed level of force powers. I think it would’ve been more clever if they found a way to bridge the combat styles from ROTS and ANH. Maybe Vader would be very intense against Obi in their first duel, like ROTS, but then Obi would be a lot more controlled and thoughtful with his attacks and counters against Vader in their second duel. This would make Vader be more careful when fighting him again in ANH. Not sure if any of that makes sense.

I think it was Ady who mentioned this, but it does seem weird that Reva wants to kill Luke, but we are never told or shown that Reva understands the significance of Luke, and if she does, how she concluded that just based off Bail’s message.

Anyway, I agree with Nev that the highlight for me was the stuff between Obi and Leia, regardless of any potential continuity quibbles. Fun but generally disappointing though.

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Guess now we know why Leia’s lightsaber resembles Obi-Wan’s and she named her son Ben 😃

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MalaStrana#2 said:

Well, it was very bad. The entire show is very bad. Trying to shoehorn everything (popular memes included) in the last few minutes is just insulting.

So to sum up:

  • not a compelling story
  • absence of any sense of typical Star Wars grandeur
  • generic music
  • bad acting
  • awful storytelling (nothing makes sense)
  • lackluster special effets
  • bland sets
  • damaged continuity
  • etc.

I wonder if it might be the worst thing that ever happened in Star Wars canon.

From now on I’ll just stick to Lucas canon with a few things (« Rebels » season 1&2) included. The rest can go to the trash.

Oh man, I have to agree entirely. We didn’t want this to be soo bad…but alas. Worst thing to happen to SW is right. Now everyone applauding everything about it have just condoned and validated the most mediocre form of SW we could have ever believed. Disney don’t have to pat themselves on the back this time since soo many people turned off their brains and called this “perfect” or “The Best Star Wars EVER”. Laughable. Get ready for more crap everyone, the people have decided to be content with it.

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Omni said:

Guess now we know why Leia’s lightsaber resembles Obi-Wan’s and she named her son Ben 😃

Hey that’s a good connection!

RL, I was reminded of the GOT scene on Tatooine, it felt like I was listening to a Radio Drama because there was literally nothing visible on screen.

Also, another thing that baffled me was why Obi-wan thought his plan to divert Vader’s attention would work, and also why it did.

Like, Obi-wan knew that Vader had a personal shuttle with which to pursue him in alone, and also had the Grand Inquisitor with which to continue pursuit of the refugees. Yet Vader just diverts the entire Star Destroyer to follow Obi-wan and then just leaves it behind and says that he will now follow Obi-wan alone in his ship. Baffling.

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A few issues that the Kenobi series may have upon the Original Trilogy films, events surrounding them, or other Star Wars releases. Along with some of the in-series issues too. With accompanying images, screenshots, gifs and memes.

Not everyone will agree with some of the topics listed below, or the descriptions of these issues, and that is okay. Everyone’s mileage may vary. For some fans, the topics listed in here may not even be considered issues, inconsistencies or stretches.

 

Nearly 20 years we thought, nearly two decades, a generation. Now instead only 8-9 years. Not such a long time, now.

 

 

It is a good point by Vader. If Kenobi survived 10 years of the purge and Vader looking for him, then Kenobi could have easily survived 8/9 years after the their last encounter, and Vader has also stopped looking for him since their last meeting.

 

 

If Vader can stop a ship leaving a port and pull it to the floor in the Kenobi series, then he would also be able to repeat this in later Star Wars releases too? On the Tantive or Falcon, maybe?

 

 

Probably the largest problem in the series is the ever increasing bond between Obi-Wan and Leia. As others here have stated (much of this is from adywan, but not his exact words): “the more they progress with this bond between them, the more she comes across as a heartless bitch in Star Wars ANH. Kenobi risked everything for her, and they both developed this close bond. But she doesn’t even react when seeing him again just before he lets himself be struck down by Vader in ANH. Yet Luke, who has known him for 5 minutes, reacts the opposite way? In the scenes on the Falcon after they escape the Death Star too. Wow. This now calls her character into question. It should never have been Leia in this Kenobi story. There is also no peril in the story because we know who must live to appear in later stories.”

In this instance in ROTJ, it also doesn’t make Obi-Wan look good. Given their bond, him knowing exactly who she is, her force sensitivity, and many other skills, attributes and abilities he listed about her that she had inherited from her parents in the last episode of the series, even more so.

 

 

Vader saying “You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker… I did”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAWBeA9LTRE

To me this dialogue renders Obi-Wan in ROTJ telling Luke his “from a certain point of view” story about Vader murdering his father being true as now being quite strange. These words comes from Vader’s own mouth, so it was NOT a deception, or anywhere near a big a stretch as previously, or “from a certain point of view” on Kenobi’s part, in Return Of The Jedi.

Luke: “Why didn’t you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father!”
Obi-Wan: “Your father was seduced by the dark side of the force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man that was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true… from a certain point of view.”

 

 

Once again Kenobi was in a situation where he has Vader beaten and at his mercy, he can end the suffering of many others to come… and he just lets him walk away.

Knowing what has occurred in the galaxy since he left Anakin defeated on Mustafar last time, knowing what Vader has done to innocent people in the years since (not just the men, but the women and children too), and something he has seen for himself first hand on Maputo, when Vader killed the civilians in the street to goad Obi-Wan into action. That Vader would go on to murder, destroy, oppress, over and over again, and that no-one else has been, or is likely to, be able to stop him.

This really is a poor decision, and writing, to have Kenobi 10 years on in a situation where he has Vader, a “master of evil”, beaten again, and yet instead simply walks away, for a second time.

Instead, years later in ROTJ, Obi-Wan will instead persuade Luke to go and kill Vader, something he did not do himself on two prior occasions now, at the cost of countless lives. When Luke refuses this in ROTJ and says “I can’t kill my own father”, Obi-Wan responds with “then the Emperor has already won”.
 

On the scene: it was basically a homage, or rip-off, to what had previously been done years ago in the Rebels animated series:-

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Kenobi-Movie-Show-Spoilers/id/56268/page/48#1489887 (or see jedi_bendu’s post below)
 

There are also many “similarities”, homages, “they rhyme”, or rip-offs, with Jedi: Fallen Order video game and episode 4, here:-

https://screenrant.com/obi-wan-kenobi-episode-4-jedi-fallen-order

 

 

Vader vs Kenobi duel continued.

There is also an issue of Kenobi’s strength with the Force during the time period of exile on Tatooine, to this era in the series, through to their duel in Star Wars: ANH.

These past 10 years Obi-Wan has cut himself off from the Force and his “force powers” have understandably become weakened. They have somewhat returned to Kenobi during this series, but were not enough to beat Vader. Not enough until he calls on the Force using his will to protect the Skywalker twins (with images of Luke & Leia running through his mind). Kenobi is then able to hand out a comprehensive beat down on Vader.

Yet 8-9 later Vader will taunt Kenobi when they meet again on the Death Star: “Your powers are weak, old man”. This is at the start of the duel and well before Obi-Wan lets Vader strike him down. However, this time around Obi-Wan hasn’t cut himself off from the Force for the past 8-9 years. He has been communing with Qui-Gon and Yoda, continuing the training that Yoda had for him now that he can converse with Qui-Gon again. Probably along with other practicing of Force abilities during this time too. So why are Kenobi’s powers now so weak?

Also, Vader should now be far more wary and mindful during their duel in Star Wars: ANH. Yes, Vader had easily bested Obi-Wan on Jabiim. And Vader had also looked to have easily beaten Obi-Wan when Kenobi’s force powers were weak in their last duel, up to where Vader buries him the under rocks. Yet Obi-Wan then absolutely gave this “master of evil” a comprehensive hands-down beating and could have easily ended Vader there and then. So on the Death Star, surely Vader should be a little concerned this fight is starting to look like a repeat of their previous duel, a duel he lost so badly he was fortunate to escape with his life?

We obviously know this cannot happen, but it is concerning the writers of this Kenobi series seemingly didn’t think this through, or maybe thought it was somehow "viable within canon to play that card?“.

 

 

I did originally think Obi-Wan telling young Leia their connection must be kept a secret, to protect both of them from danger, was a good bypass or excuse for the “hologram message issue” from Leia in the Original Trilogy. But on further thought, this doesn’t make sense given the gravity of the situation Leia finds herself in when making and sending the message to Obi-Wan in the OT.

"General Kenobi. Years ago, you served my father in the Clone Wars; now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father’s request to you in person; but my ship has fallen under attack and I’m afraid my mission to Alderaan has failed. I’ve placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi; you’re my only hope".

All seems lost for Leia in this moment, and given what the hologram message says, continuing to pretend that she has no past affiliation or connection with Kenobi, will certainly not protect her or him in this situation. So creating the hologram message as if she has not met or knows of Kenobi, except through what her father told her, still makes no sense.

 

 

The Inquisitors know about this link and surely would have followed it up. At least they or the Empire would have been keeping Bail Organa under close watch, his meetings with others, and also his whereabouts. Maybe even being aware of Bail sneaking off to visit Tatooine in person. The same would also likely apply to Leia, given her being promptly rescued twice by Obi-Wan Kenobi, once from Imperial incarceration and questioning, and also her time spent on the run with other wanted force sensitive fugitives.

 

 

Obi-Wan is no longer “living in hiding” when on this mission to rescue Leia, and is inconsistent with Bail’s conversation with Mon Mothma in the Rogue One film:

Mon Mothma: “Despite what the others say, war is inevitable.”

Bail Organa: “Yes, I agree. I must return to Alderaan to inform my people that there will be no peace. We will need every advantage.”

Mon Mothma: “Your friend… the Jedi.”

Bail Organa: “He served me well during the Clone Wars and has lived in hiding since the Emperor’s purge. Yes, I will send for him.”

a 30 second video of the above scene from Rogue One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqb1oj4sEEM

 

 

 

Some self contained issues in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series:

 

 

Why did Obi-Wan even disconnect from the force and bury the lightsabers if he’s supposed to be watching over and protecting Luke? With the aim of training him when the time comes (we even see him ask Uncle Owen about this in episode 1). How did he expect to be able to do that?

 

 

At the end of episode 2 Reva reveals to Kenobi that Anakin Skywalker is alive, with some great acting by Ewan in reaction to this. However, how is Reva aware that Kenobi doesn’t know Anakin is alive?

It appears she doesn’t know, and this was in the story to end the episode on a sort of dramatic high? It was some great acting.

 

 

These stormtroopers are out on duty actively looking for a Jedi. They are sitting alongside and opposite one of the most famous Jedi generals in the Clone Wars. Someone the Empire has been searching for, for 10 years. Yet they don’t seem to have a picture, or description, of the Jedi they are actually looking for?

 

 

Why does Vader stand there doing nothing after the Tala shoots and ignites a new fire to somehow stop Vader torturing Kenobi? Then Vader simply waits and watches for the slow moving loader droid to come rescue Kenobi and then slowly carry him off to safety?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53thKFyHFLc

Vader has literally ignited and extinguished a fire just seconds before. He also lifted Kenobi into the air, holding him there, and then also uses the force to pull him through the fire to make him suffer. Why did Vader just stop and stand there after Tala ignited the fire? He doesn’t attempt to walk around the fire, or force pull Kenobi through the fire, or force lift him over the fire to him, or force pull the droid to him.

This inactivity wasn’t also to wait and use Kenobi to trace the Path or Underground after Tala fires upon them and gives away her presence, as we see Vader is pissed and blames Reva for letting Kenobi escape in the next episode. “Kenobi is everything”, and nothing else matters to him, as Vader mentions. Twice. Vader also demonstrates this again in the last episode.

 

 

Why is Reva interrogating Leia like she’s a Rebel spy and has a deep knowledge about the Rebellion or Path, when she’s just a 10 year old? Does she seriously expect Leia to have this knowledge? Reva is even the one who arranged Leia’s kidnapping, so she knows Leia hasn’t been with them for very long if at all.

Reva expects to get answers from this? But not from the Rebel pilot she killed for no reason at the end of the tunnel on Mapuzo to capture Leia? Surely keeping him alive too, for his working knowledge would be even more valuable?

A side issue: During the interrogation, how is it that none of the Inquisitors sense that Leia is force sensitive? Isn’t it their job is to track and hunt down force sensitive people? Isn’t Leia now on some Imperial list of people to take a closer look at, or even on an Imperial list of people with force sensitivity?

 

 

Reva has placed a tracker in Leia’s Lola droid - during Leia’s interrogation of the captured Leia on the Inquisitor’s fortress. At this time Reva doesn’t know Kenobi is on the base - or that anyone else like Tala is going to come rescue Leia. Yet Reva is also the person who later actively stops Kenobi, Leia and Tala from escaping in the hangar, almost killing them. This was also before the two TR47s fly up the base and into the hangar undetected to rescue them.

So was the tracking thing just a backup plan? It seems nobody else in the Inquisitor base knew about this either.

A side issue: Who turned off the radar at the highly secure Inquisitor fortress so the two TR47s could approach undetected?

 

 

Reva waits for Vader to nearly kill her by choking, before muttering she has planted a tracker on Kenobi’s group. Vader, obviously angry and pissed off at the time could have just easily choked her or snapped her neck before she could let him know her “plan”. Vader is well known to be quick and impulsive, so why does Reva wait so long before explaining herself?

 

 

“I know we said no communication… but your silence worries me. If he’s found you, if he’s learned of the children… If I don’t hear from you soon, I’ll head to Tatooine. Owen will need help with the boy. I pray you’re safe, Obi-Wan. Both of you."

Bail proceeds to list every detail of their mission, including Owen’s in relation to “the boy.” This message could obviously be catastrophic if it were to end up in the wrong hands, which, of course, it does.

This really is quite poorly written and executed in how the message came about. It also makes Bail look incompetent and an idiot, something of which he is clearly not. Also for Obi-Wan too, as why not delete this potentially damaging message after he has seen it?

 

 

The siege of the Rebel base on Jabiim, with some noticeably odd choices by the writers.

While the Rebels are readying themselves to get all the force-sensitives and their families off the planet, Vader orders Reva to lock down the Rebel facility. Reva states that if they seal them in now the Rebels “could hold out for days”, but Vader is just focused on trapping and confronting Kenobi. So, Reva has the compromised Lola droid close and lock the huge overhead docking bay doors of the Rebel’s hidden base, so that the Rebels are now all trapped there, unable to escape on their transport, with the Empire soon to arrive.

The Rebels barricade themselves in, securing the side doors and other entrances. Reva then arrives on the planet with stormtroopers to break into the locked-down base, but rather than have the Lola droid just open the doors back up for them, they set up shop outside with a heavy-gun starting to fire on the side-door. This is first of some strange choices by the writers for this siege.

An hour later the Imperials are still firing on the side-door, and haven’t made much progress at smashing through it all. Reva then has a conversation with Obi-Wan, letting him know her complete backstory and that all this long-term planning is for the chance to kill Vader. Yet she then refuses Kenobi’s offer of help to take Vader down, from the one person who has previously defeated Vader. Her plan of later sneaking up behind Vader and trying to stab him in the back is apparently far better than teaming up with Kenobi to improve their chances of taking him down. The writer’s decision here really doesn’t make much sense.

And then Reva simply opens the side-door herself by putting her lightsaber through the welded door beam, the door opens, and the Empire can now enter the Rebel base.

Why not simply open the door with her lightsaber in the first place? Had Reva forgot about the cutting ability of lightsabers until that point in the story? I suppose this is a question the writers don’t want people to think about too much.

 

 

Lightsabers are very good for cutting through things. As seen above they can heat up and burn through metal very quickly too. Reva can count herself lucky when Vader stabbed her with her own lightsaber that he didn’t leave it in her so it didn’t start burning through her. Except Vader did actually do just that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMglffyPRU

 

 

This was Reva’s long-term plan? That she was actually hunting Vader? To work her way up through the ranks of the Inquisitors to get the chance to kill Vader and avenge her slain youngling friends?

That is a convoluted plan, and one that doesn’t really hold up to much scrutiny. Surely there would have been a number of opportunities to carry this out on Vader over the past 10 years?

For example, when Vader is being considerable tasked by using the Force, so he may not be able to sense an attack coming, or maybe sense able it as quickly?

Instead of simply trying to sneak up to Vader from behind and strike him down, which again, is something she could have done at many previous points over the past 10 years, and would also save herself the trauma of killing other innocents, children, Jedi, force sensitives, all for the Empire’s bidding during that time. As well as trying to hide her plan from everyone that she has been around since she joined the Inquisitors at an early age.

Reva also then refuses the direct offer of help from Obi-Wan Kenobi, the only person who has heavily defeated Vader before, and who is probably the only person who has offered her such help to end Vader.

 

 

I think Reva also used Force Heal +7 and Force Speed +10 to go from being impaled by lightsaber and left to rot on Jabiim, without a transport, to getting to Tatooine and then locating Owen’s farm. All occurring while Vader was still chasing Roken’s transport ship.

 

 

Vader is on an Imperial Star Destroyer pursuing Rokun’s crippled transport ship, and Obi-Wan decides he must leave Rokun’s ship to attempt to lure Vader after him, in the hope the others on board can get away.

The problem is the logic of the writing for this situation.

Obi-Wan leaves Rokun’s ship. The Grand Inquisitor is on the Star Destroyer bridge reminding Vader this is the chance to wipe out this network in its entirety. Instead, Vader decides to order the Star Destroyer to ignore Rokun’s crippled ship and follow Kenobi. Yet moments later Vader boards his personal shuttle and goes to face Kenobi alone. So why didn’t Vader get in his personal shuttle moments earlier and pursue Kenobi himself? Leaving the Star Destroyer to continue pursuing and eventually capturing Rokun’s crippled ship?

Or why didn’t Vader at least launch some TIE Fighters or shuttles to engage Rokun’s ship when the Star Destroyer breaks off to follow Kenobi? Or even having TIEs or shuttles simply follow Rokun’s crippled ship in a bid to find Rokun’s destination.

No, Obi-Wan’s plan succeeds because, despite all of the options available to Vader… it just does. As others have said on here, and elsewhere online, this whole scene is just baffling.

 

 

The contradictory or inconsistent dialogue within the series itself:

Vader; in episode 3: “I am what you made me”

Vader; in episode 6: “You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin.”
 

Some have said that Obi-Wan is simply referring to Anakin’s suit in episode 3, the thing that Obi-Wan put him in after defeating him on Mustafar in ROTS, and this is the first time Obi-Wan sees Anakin in the suit. (Except it isn’t: the first time he sees Anakin in the suit is when Anakin is killing civilians in the street, trying to goad Obi-Wan into action against him).
And in episode 6, Anakin is referring to whole person; his body, personality, spirit and mind.

In episode 3, Obi Wan asks Anakin: “What have you become?”. This is not just the suit, but also asking Anakin to look what he has done to those poor civilians in the street earlier. To look at what he was before as a man, in comparison to what he is now. Obi-Wan was referring to the sheer level or inhumanity displayed by Anakin, and his disgust by it.

So when Vader later tells Obi-Wan in episode 6 “You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin.”, I find this is contradictory. To me, anyway.

Maybe it was because the two episodes were written by two different people, and it simply got past both of them, and anyone who checks these things before filming? I do not know.

 

 

This was a scene many of us have seen repeated before, and it was difficult to not notice the parallels between this mask-cutting conversation and also a very similar imagery in the animated series Star Wars: Rebels, the finale of season 2, in 2016.

Ahsoka (who strongly suspects Vader is Anakin): “My Master could never be as vile as you.”

Vader: “Anakin Skywalker was weak. I destroyed him.”

Ahsoka: “Then I will avenge his death”

Vader: “Revenge is not the Jedi way”

Ahsoka: “I an no Jedi.”

The two then fight with lightsabers, with Ahsoka breaking Vader’s mask and exposing Anakin’s face, in exactly the same Obi-Wan does in this series. Even the same voice modulation usage for switching between Vader’ and Anakin’s voice is repeated, in dialogue below.

Vader: “Ahsoka…”

Ahsoka: “Anakin? I won’t leave you. Not this time…”

Vader: “Then you will die!”

and the two character continue the lightsaber fight as the scene cuts away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr7ufR7utEo&t=96s

 

 

Reva deciding she is going to go kill Luke.

Reva’s new mission is to kill a young boy because she either wants “justice” or “revenge” on Vader. Yet we are shown the only reason she can’t kill Luke is because she sees herself in that similar position, 10 years ago. And then, at the end, Obi-Wan lets her live and tells her she is free because she didn’t go actually through with it (though she likely would have, if under circumstances).

Also, why go kill Luke in the first place? Vader doesn’t know who he is, or that he even has a son. What revenge or justice is that?

 

 

Luke sees Reva in the doorway with her lightsaber drawn, just before Beru hits her with a haymaker, who then screams at Luke to “Go!”. Are we to believe a 10 year old Luke forgets what a lightsaber looks like after this traumatic experience being sought after by this person wielding such a unique weapon (and who very much doesn’t look like the Tusken Raiders Uncle Owen was talking about), and that Luke also likely heard being wielded around the house fighting Uncle Owen, and also outside the room he is hiding in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj1kh_1qhCU

Luke is then is chased by Reva, over the sand dunes.

So, when Obi-Wan hands Luke a lightsaber in Star Wars: ANH, Luke should know what it is, at least after activating the blade. “I thought these things only came in red!”, he should have now said.

Or Luke may remember hearing rumours and stories over time from people in town, talking of the time Uncle Owen was threatened by strange Imperials with red lightsabres. One of whom put a lightsaber to Owen’ throat in front of everyone there that day. For a quiet near-deserted planet in the outer rim, away from the control of the Empire, such an event would be memorable to most in the town who saw it, and would likely be a growing topic of conversation for a long time to come.

 

 

Obi-Wan to Reva: “Now you’re free. We both are.”

How? Reva may be free now she has realised the error of her ways, can now choose a different path. She can start afresh, maybe even try to make things right or make amends.

This is despite Reva’s story arc basically consisting of: Wanting revenge for her fellow Jedi younglings being killed. So she became an Inquisitor to hunt and kill Jedi, and other force sensitives, including children… all to gain the trust of Vader so she could get close to him and then kill him. And when she failed, she made her goal the killing another young child. She certainly does have a lot to make up for now she is free.
 

But Obi-Wan being free?: He is still in hiding, still wanted by the Empire. The very tyrannical fascist and oppressive Empire that still run the galaxy. Obi-Wan now also has the weight and conscience of sparing Vader’s life, despite him knowing the death and suffering Vader has already brought to so many, and also the death and suffering Vader will bring to many others in the future. How it that “being free”?

 

 

The Inquisitors and the Empire know of the “connection” between between Bail and Kenobi in the archives, and that Kenobi immediately came out of hiding after they had organised the kidnapping of Leia. And yet Obi-Wan turns up in broad daylight on Alderaan to return Leia’s droid, say hello to the Organas, and tell Leia to keep their knowledge of each a secret as it could endanger them both.

It would appear Obi-Wan is doing that there and then.

Surely Obi-Wan must be aware that the Empire would be keeping close tabs on Bail and Leia now, and they are probably under Imperial surveillance. Yet he turns up anyway, in daylight, and in public view of anyone watching. It was a good scene, though.

 

 

Poor Qui-Gon. Though Obi-Wan may want to talk with him about the consequences of keeping promises to dying friends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As others have stated, there are even more issues in the Kenobi series. Probably with other Star Wars content and also within the series itself. Above are just the scenes or topics I noticed, basically in plain sight, that troubled me upon viewing them.

If anyone has any more issues with the series, I would be be happy to add them here so they can all be easily found in one post. Or if anyone wants to use any of this for their own post or thread, please do. English is not my first language, which is also why I also use images to help try explain myself more clearly, and some kind others have also helped me with my words.
 

Some of “Obi Wan Kenobi”, episode 6 especially, had some moments more powerful, interesting and effective than many in the Prequels. Yet, like the Prequels, also featured various noticeable and needless issues too, which let the series down overall.
 

I do wonder what the original character-driven story by Hossein Amini for the Kenobi series would have been like. And I look forward to seeing what the talented and creative editors, wizards & ideas people on here come up with in the way of fan edits.

Maybe something could even be done about the overuse of “shaky cam” in this series, especially in action or lightsaber scenes.

 

 

 

Emre1601 said: (on June 11, 2022)

I would love to see original script for this by Hossein Amini.

Before Kathleen Kennedy wanted a more “hopeful, uplifting story”:

‘Kennedy discussed original scripts for the series penned by Hossein Amini, and how she ended up replacing the writer with Joby Harold to turn the dark story into something brighter and more hopeful. “We’re looking, ultimately, to make a hopeful, uplifting story. And it’s tricky when you’re starting with a character in the state that Obi-Wan would be in coming off of Revenge Of The Sith. That’s a pretty bleak period of time. You can’t just wave the magic wand with any writer and arrive at a story that necessarily reflects what you want to feel.’ (from Rolling Stone)

 

I still have some reservations about the story clashing and altering what was previously established with the Original Trilogy:-

Obi-Wan & Vader’s Duel In Kenobi Will Change Star Wars Canon In 4 Ways - from Screenrant, if this comes to be true.

“As you know, we would never break canon. So, that’s all I’ll say. … Canon is everything.” - from Vanity Fair

“There’s nothing that I feel like we’ve violated at all. If anything, we’ve informed those scenes so that some of the choices that we’ve taken for granted in the [original trilogy] actually make more sense now.” - from Comicbook

How ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Writer Justified Obi-Wan Not Knowing Anakin Was Alive - ”It all comes down to, is it viable within canon to play that card?“ - from The Wrap

Obi-Wan Kenobi writer says all Star Wars timeline and canon questions will be ‘answered fully’ -“By the time everything has concluded, all things should be in place,” Joby Harold says of potential discrepancies - from Entertainment Weekly
 

How could all timeline and canon questions be “answered fully”? I like and look forward to enjoying new Star Wars releases, but not when new Star Wars rewrites or affects the events of the Original Trilogy.

I can separate the two releases, but should we have to when we are told canon is being respected, but then isn’t (or “if it is viable to do so”?), then we are told to wait until the end of the new series to find out?
 

It can still be a good series, to be enjoyed, and for some fans canon does not matter, or we all see thing just see things differently.

But it does change when the new Kenobi writer Joby Harold, says “canon is everything” and “we would never break canon”, but then doesn’t seem to be so sure himself (“is it viable within canon?”), and later says all canon questions will be “answered fully” at the end.

No. For me, all timeline and canon questions were not “answered fully”. But that is just my view.

 

 

 

This image is here just because the post needed some Uncle Owen sass! More awesome Uncle Owen quips can be found here.

 

 

People in Star Wars really need to stop just leaving others for dead.

This has become more of a thing in recent times. But still. The Grand Inquisitor, Third Sister, Obi-Wan, Vader in ROTS, Boba Fett, the Emperor, basically everyone who should have died. Probably Mace Windu someday soon too.

Has someone checked on Qui-Gon, as almost everyone else seems to survive being impaled by lightsaber, are we certain he died?

Are we now sure that is Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru in Star Wars: ANH, pictured above?

And not some dead stormtroopers that they killed and stole their uniforms from, before going on a killing spree of anything and everything Imperial. That sassy Beru didn’t persuade Owen to finally let Luke go off with Obi-Wan on a “damn fool idealistic crusade”, faked their deaths, and then were able to do their own thing: embarking on a full on rampage slaughtering Imperials wherever they found them and inducing fear into the Empire wherever they went, on such a scale it would make even Tarkin blush?

Roaming the galaxy killing Imps with some killer sass put-downs from Owen, and some bare knuckle beatings from Beru. I’d actually watch that as a limited Disney+ series.

Canon-wise it also works too. For anyone asking where the rest of the massive Imperial fleet is after the destruction of the Death Star in Return Of The Jedi. It was decimated not by the Rebels, civilians uprising, or infighting among Imperial warlords. It was simply this pair.

Regulators Moisture vaporator farmers, mount up.

 

 

I really liked the scene of Kenobi lifting the rocks ready to throw them at Anakin. It reminded me very much of the old fan art image above where Kenobi uses the force to shoot all those guns if he had survived his duel with Vader on the Death Star.

 
 

Edit: I’ve now posted this in its own thread so it is easier to find (which was point of making this list of issues in the first place), and will make any updates or additions in the linked thread below, here:

Original Trilogy vs Kenobi: inconsistencies, plot holes and stretches between… plus in-series issues

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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I’ve seen the 6th episode now. The duel with Vader, wow… extremely impressive skills and force powers; but even more so the importance of Obi-Wan and Anakin being able to finally speak, the terrible regrets Obi-Wan has to deal with, the feeling that he didn’t tutor his student well enough to prevent this fall must weigh so heavily on him. And it’s great to see Qui-Gon again! =) For these reasons I give the episode high marks.

The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.

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This show was a genuine trainwreck. I agree with Adywan, this should have started with Obi-Wan saving Luke. Maybe while the rescue is happening or just after, he runs into that Jedi from the beginning of the show and that’s how he gets wrapped up in everything. Leia should not have been involved at all in any of this.

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Choreography of the Vader vs Obi-wan duel was very good, but the location was as grey as their first duel and they blatantly ripped a scene out of Rebels. I had predicted they’d do something like it, but would find a way to mix things up a bit, maybe have all of Vader’s mask come off this time… but it was just too similar for me.

And as has already been mentioned, there’s no reason for Obi-wan to leave Vader there. On Mustafar he could safely assume Anakin would just burn to death, but he would never make that same mistake twice.

As much as I loved the relationship between Obi-wan and Leia, as well as some of the side characters, this series remained just good - although with many strange choices as always. And the ripped mask scene convinced me that these live action Disney+ shows will never accomplish anything as striking as Star Wars has in animation.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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I enjoyed this show overall, and I appreciated what it was going for. I chuckle a little now at my own concerns going in about continuity, about what an adventure with Ben and Leia would mean, Ben’s “long time” that never really amounts to much in a row, etc.

But it seems to have taken a penny on these and left a few pennies in return. In the OT, Ben seems viscerally aware of the sort of effects the Empire has on the galaxy at large, and with Vader as more machine than man. These give the impression of something other than watching the news. Originally this was because the Empire seemed to predate Luke himself, and Vader likely having a more involved history with Kenobi, before later continuity came about.

Now, Obi-Wan can speak to these things from his own personal experience. And it explains his apparent opportunistic, invitational approach to training Luke.

Vader was treated interestingly, and I look forward to the next occasion that I watch through the saga (not something I want to do any old time), as I imagine it’ll very much help bridge that character from prequels to originals.

I do wonder what a film version would have been like, and any fan edit would still end up feeling like something made for TV. Perhaps a two-part TV movie would be a good form-factor, at about 4 hours total.

Once something as grand and magical as a show about Ben Kenobi passes out of the realm of platonic ideas and potentiality and into concrete, specific shape, it’ll inevitably become lesser. That said, I enjoyed having this to watch and don’t feel like we’re any worse off for having had it. To me, from Rogue One onward, non-saga (“Episodes”) stuff has feel like extra credit.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Over all, this show was… I honestly don’t know how to describe it. I do know I didn’t like it, though.

Like I said after the premiere, the show’s number one saving grace is definitely Ewan MacGregor as Obi-Wan. He is clearly a caliber above his mostly amateurish co-stars, and he elevates a ton of moments that would otherwise be mediocre or even embarrassing. However, a good main actor can’t fix everything, and the mountain of deep-rooted issues with the show smother out what could be an amazing character-driven drama.

Plot-wise, this show feels like the “first draft” was really just a Lucasfilm-mandated check list of things the writers needed to include: Cool Force powers, big dramatic moments, callbacks to previous installments, all that typical Star Wars stuff. However, it doesn’t seem like the writers knew how to stitch all that corporate-mandated fanservice in to an actual coherent story. There were so many moments that didn’t feel earned, didn’t make a lot of sense, or were just plain stupid. It started out with just a couple minor issues, but slowly escalated until I had to turn my brain off completely during the final episode. Obi-Wan and Vader throwing mountains at each other has got to be one of the dumbest moments in the history of the franchise.

Also, everyone has already said it, but the cinematography and editing were really amateurish, and didn’t feel like “Star Wars” at all. Just like the plot issues, this didn’t bother me during the first couple episodes, but the weird editing and constant shaky cam got really bad in the second half. The climax of episode 3 breaks one of the most basic rules of editing, and it only goes downhill from there. Give me a fancy camera and a Disney budget, and I would probably be able to create a much more professional final product.

In a nutshell, both Boba Fett and this show seem like signs that Star Wars’s overreliance on callbacks and cameos has finally resulted in the franchise collapsing in on itself: The creators are relying on people’s memories of better installments to compensate for flawed storytelling, rather than actually attempting to tell a good story. Luckily, it seems like this trend might be broken pretty soon: Taika Watiti has promised that his standalone movie will feature almost no pointless fanservice or appearances from previous characters, and both Andor and the upcoming “Acolyte” series seem to be much less rooted in the mainstream saga than recent installments have been. If Lucasfilm can stop relying on cheap callbacks and start telling good stories again, I might keep being a Star Wars fan. It it doesn’t, however, I’ll vote with my wallet and move on to something better.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX

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Vader to Palpy « we are looking for him: he won’t escape us! »

Literally the next scene : « hello there Bail: here is lil Leia. In plain sight. I guess the Empire who seems to know about our close connection is not monitoring this planet of yours. So lil Leia next time we meet just pretend you don’t know me, to protect yourself, even in the context of sending messages for help once you’ve been compromised enough, such as being on the battlefield to get some damn plans. Also you can call your son Ben after me, because now we have a strong connection to explain that but just keep it for the ST, never mention this during the OT, to protect yourself ok ?
Well, seems I need to go. I feel stronger than ever, I could destroy the empire by myself but I’ll just go back hiding. Next time I see that little Darth bitch I’ll just let myself die even though I totally own his ass twice in 10 years. The fucker can’t even stab anyone properly. He’s only good at killing kids, lol. Oh I’m calling him Darth out of the blue because people wanted Adywan to remove that in ANH:R, silly them!
So, after Bail failing to protect you and me failing to protect Luke, everything is back on ANH track… somehow. So lucky than Reva didn’t want to kill the kid… even though it’s not clear why they wanted to kill him. I’m glad that the very passive Beru seems to be the one running the Lars farm. She’s so brave and badass. Not at all out of character. Btw Bail, stop sending messages with sensitive info from now on: might be a bit dangerous I think. We all seem very dumb now and we have been fucking both PT and OT in a cheap 6 episodes show. It’s ok, fans will love it: they always do. I don’t know why either so let’s keep doing dumb stuff they’ll keep buying it, lol.

See you around kid in season 2 and may Wade be with you! »

So long 🙌

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Kaweebo said:

This show was a genuine trainwreck. I agree with Adywan, this should have started with Obi-Wan saving Luke. Maybe while the rescue is happening or just after, he runs into that Jedi from the beginning of the show and that’s how he gets wrapped up in everything. Leia should not have been involved at all in any of this.

Or maybe it could have been with anything else but the two Skywalker kids that we already see in the next 6 movies of the Saga 👀

Damn this thing costs 150 millions. Where did the money go ? 😬

So long 🙌

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Bridger12 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

I wonder if it might be the worst thing that ever happened in Star Wars canon.

The Chuck Wendig books exist.

So in movie/tv media then.

Nope, that’s still AOTC, the Ewok movies, BOBF, or TROS, depending on how a person is feeling that day.

Don’t forget the Holiday Special.

Not canon. Guys try to read properly what’s written…

So long 🙌

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NeverarGreat said:

Like, Obi-wan knew that Vader had a personal shuttle with which to pursue him in alone, and also had the Grand Inquisitor with which to continue pursuit of the refugees. Yet Vader just diverts the entire Star Destroyer to follow Obi-wan and then just leaves it behind and says that he will now follow Obi-wan alone in his ship. Baffling.

It was « TLJ for dummies ».

So long 🙌

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Vader, episode 3: « I am what you made me. »

Vader, episode 6: « You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin. »

This fucking show isn’t even internally consistent. It’s incredible how badly written this shit is…

(Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂)

So long 🙌

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MalaStrana#2 said:

Vader, episode 3: « I am what you made me. »

Vader, episode 6: « You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin. »

This fucking show isn’t even internally consistent. It’s incredible how badly written this shit is…

(Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂)

Anakin already identified as Darth Vader by the time he fought Obi-Wan in ROTS, meaning that Vader’s physical state is indeed Obi-Wan’s handiwork. There’s nothing remotely inconsistent about those two lines. It’s Obi-Wan who keeps calling Vader “Anakin”. Vader himself is pretty adamant about that guy being gone, even before he suits up.

I enjoyed this show. It wasn’t a masterpiece, but I don’t think it set out to be. But the vigour with which some viewers will look for “plot holes”, particularly in something as oft-patchy as Star Wars, is getting ridiculous.