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The Book Of Boba Fett (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 14

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After the excellent restoration of Fett in The Mandalorian, I was very excited for this series. Particularly after that teaser scene last year.

I have to say, I’ve been less than enthused. It’s slow, he’s soft, the sets look like sets, and for the love of God - we’re on Tatooine AGAIN?!!
What the hell? Just how tiny is the Galaxy Far Far Away?

Along that line, it’s once again being depicted as some sort of very populated planet, complete with some very large cities. That’s very Prequel-esque. Mandalorian had gone a long way toward restoring it to some sort of backwater planet with very few inhabitants, circa 1977.

I don’t need to see more Hutts, Hammerheads, Gamorreans, etc. I’m assuming I’ve missed a Gonk or two by now.
I thought the Mods looked completely out of place on Tatooine. In fact, when they first show the Mods, I stopped it and put in a Spider-Man film.

Hopefully it gets better. If not, I have The Mandalorian episodes of Fett to hold me. They restored the character and his dignity. That’s fine for me.

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All Boba did in the original trilogy was hide in some garbage, follow the Falcon, and then let Vader capture and freeze Han for him, then deliver him to Jabba, and of course falling into the sarlacc.
In this new series, Boba escaped the sarlacc, chokes out a desert monster, beat-up an entire biker gang by himself and stole their bikes, and robbed a train. Doesn’t sound soft to me.

Every time Boba has spared someone, it had come back around to help him. The Gamoreans helped him when the Order of the Nightwind assassins attacked. The cyborg bikers saved him when Black Krrsantan attacked. Hard to fight a giant wookiee in your underwear. Letting Krrsantan go free will likely turn out to be a good idea too. He is going for respect over fear, because running a family is a lot more complicated than bounty hunting. You just can shoot everyone.

Boba wants to achieve more in life than Jango and I’m loving this new path. A whole series of Boba just riding around bounty-hunting and killing sounds pretty boring. Watching him sort his life out and deal with his issues is great. I can’t wait to see what happens in the last 4 episodes. I’m ready for him to ride that rancor!

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Exactly Rodney-2187, what if the Mandalorian went around just being a bounty hunter, capturing, evading and collecting his prize. That would get really boring after awhile.

His character grew as the story went along. We don’t know what will happen to Boba Fett, but he now has many strong allies, each with their own strengths, all of them coming together to defeat the bad guys.

All of this is possible because he didn’t just kill everyone he came across, he gave them a choice. These choices bring opportunities for his entourage.

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Rodney-2187 said:

All Boba did in the original trilogy was hide in some garbage

I’m a fan of Oscar the Grouch and I don’t see the problem.

Every time Boba has spared someone, it had come back around to help him. The Gamoreans helped him when the Order of the Nightwind assassins attacked.

They were obviously napping when the wookiee showed up. Speaking of which,

Black Krrsantan

Why does everyone call him that? Are there other Krrsantans?

Hard to fight a giant wookiee in your underwear.

I didn’t notice but I hope Boba gets them dry-cleaned.

A whole series of Boba just riding around bounty-hunting and killing sounds pretty boring. Watching him sort his life out and deal with his issues is great. I can’t wait to see what happens in the last 4 episodes. I’m ready for him to ride that rancor!

Basically agree with this, my criticisms of execution and minor elements notwithstanding.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Black Krrsantan

Why does everyone call him that? Are there other Krrsantans?

Because that’s his name. Or at least that’s how it was made out to be in the comics.

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I think a big issue I have with Boba Fett’s characterization here is that he keeps saying he’s the ruler (daimyo) and that he wants to rule with respect, but he shows almost zero leadership in pretty much every situation where leadership, strength, and decisiveness are needed or appropriate (especially if he wants to establish himself as the guy in charge).

When people complain he seems too weak, it’s not because of his success or failure in battle. It’s his absolutely wishy-washy lack of any real leadership skills.

There’s a such thing as “tough but fair” which is what Fett needs to be (and I think what we all anticipated). But so far he really isn’t.

And it’s especially jarring since that is the characterization we saw with his appearances in Mando and it was fantastic.

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The water seller offered him double tribute to take out the biker gang. The old Boba would have just went for the money, but instead he hires the biker gang and tells the water seller to stop price gouging. Boba doesn’t want to be a part of the old corrupt system. He’s not in it just for the money or power. He wants to be a respected leader and win the people over. I’m sure he and his group will prove plenty formidable when the time does come to fight. There’s respect in that too.

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He would rather have the young group with resources working for him, then some scared old man who would run from danger the first chance he could.

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So the fan fixing has begun…

From Reddit user zebasher

The series overall is good by making Bobba a more interesting anti-hero but just need to trim a few scenes of him being a hero to let the anti parts shine more.

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Rodney-2187 said:

Boba doesn’t want to be a part of the old corrupt system.

Too bad that’s exactly what he’s doing. If he does not want to be part of the corrupt system, he could become a waiter in a restaurant and start building his own business; such as a discount water distribution.

The more the people who like this series defend it, the more I see why I don’t like this series 😄

So long 🙌

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CarboniteSolo said:

He would rather have the young group with resources working for him, then some scared old man who would run from danger the first chance he could.

Is it really what this scene was about? I’m not even sure Boba could take down the biker gang anyway…

Unless I’m mistaken, Boba is taking over Bib and Jabba’s business, and it was an organized crime business, right?

Damn I wish we got a badass Boba into action around the Galaxy…

So long 🙌

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MalaStrana#2 said:

Rodney-2187 said:

Boba doesn’t want to be a part of the old corrupt system.

Too bad that’s exactly what he’s doing. If he does not want to be part of the corrupt system, he could become a waiter in a restaurant and start building his own business; such as a discount water distribution.

The more the people who like this series defend it, the more I see why I don’t like this series 😄

I gave an example of the water seller. If he wanted things to stay the same, he would have just taken the double tribute and stopped the biker gang. Instead he ordered the water seller to stop charging unfair prices and hired the biker gang.

If you don’t like it, you don’t like it. Not everyone has to like the same things. Art is subjective. I think the show is very well written and aside from the chase scene looking a bit slow, I’m loving everything about it. Boba was never really this interesting to me before.

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MalaStrana#2 said:

Damn I wish we got a badass Boba into action around the Galaxy…

That would be one of the most non-SW things for them to do. People seem to forget that characters like bounty hunter Boba Fett were minor side characters in a good vs evil story. Vader was the villain in said good vs evil story, etc. yet so many seem to want to just see the villains go around doing cool (or quite frankly villainous) things in the SW universe. I can see this working as a game, and stuff like this has been done in comic book one-offs and the occasional novel, but I fail to see where there’s a SW series in this?

Fett is trying to reinvent himself within a framework that he’s at least familiar with, hence taking over as Daimyo, but we’re still less than half-way through so we don’t even know how its going to end up. Even one of the cyborg bikers called him out by calling him “just another mob boss” (or something to that effect) and he seems to be constantly learning as the show progresses.

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canofhumdingers said:

I think a big issue I have with Boba Fett’s characterization here is that he keeps saying he’s the ruler (daimyo) and that he wants to rule with respect, but he shows almost zero leadership in pretty much every situation where leadership, strength, and decisiveness are needed or appropriate (especially if he wants to establish himself as the guy in charge).

When people complain he seems too weak, it’s not because of his success or failure in battle. It’s his absolutely wishy-washy lack of any real leadership skills.

There’s a such thing as “tough but fair” which is what Fett needs to be (and I think what we all anticipated). But so far he really isn’t.

And it’s especially jarring since that is the characterization we saw with his appearances in Mando and it was fantastic.

I don’t get this, are you saying he was a good leader in his appearances in The Mandalorian season 2? Because I don’t see it. He ordered Fennec around a bit, but that’s about it. They served as temporary killers for hire as they (or rather just Fett) owed Din a debt. Fett was briefly doing what he’s always done, kill for someone else, though obviously for a noble cause this time. Now in BOBF he’s trying to run a small criminal empire (though that’s probably just a facade for an ulterior motive) which involved a entirely different set of skills.

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MalaStrana#2 said:

Rodney-2187 said:

Boba doesn’t want to be a part of the old corrupt system.

Too bad that’s exactly what he’s doing. If he does not want to be part of the corrupt system, he could become a waiter in a restaurant and start building his own business; such as a discount water distribution.

The more the people who like this series defend it, the more I see why I don’t like this series 😄

I’ll have the Boba Fettuccine with sarlacc bread. That would be a fun comedy series watching him deal with the frustrations of waiting on Tatooine clientele. I see no point in arguing 😃

The blue elephant in the room.

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ZkinandBonez said:

canofhumdingers said:

I think a big issue I have with Boba Fett’s characterization here is that he keeps saying he’s the ruler (daimyo) and that he wants to rule with respect, but he shows almost zero leadership in pretty much every situation where leadership, strength, and decisiveness are needed or appropriate (especially if he wants to establish himself as the guy in charge).

When people complain he seems too weak, it’s not because of his success or failure in battle. It’s his absolutely wishy-washy lack of any real leadership skills.

There’s a such thing as “tough but fair” which is what Fett needs to be (and I think what we all anticipated). But so far he really isn’t.

And it’s especially jarring since that is the characterization we saw with his appearances in Mando and it was fantastic.

I don’t get this, are you saying he was a good leader in his appearances in The Mandalorian season 2? Because I don’t see it. He ordered Fennec around a bit, but that’s about it. They served as temporary killers for hire as they (or rather just Fett) owed Din a debt. Fett was briefly doing what he’s always done, kill for someone else, though obviously for a noble cause this time. Now in BOBF he’s trying to run a small criminal empire (though that’s probably just a facade for an ulterior motive) which involved a entirely different set of skills.

No, the lack of leadership is a general complaint about the way his character is written on this show specifically. Although his indecisiveness plays a huge part in that lack of leadership and that particular aspect (indecision) does run contrary to what we saw in Mando.

But what I was really referring to with my last paragraph was the tough-but-fair issue. In Mando he seemed to be going down a path of becoming like a typical John Wayne character: tough as nails and harsh on the surface, but with a deep sense of loyalty, respect, and true kindness (not surface politeness, but the kind of guy who would sacrifice anything to help someone he deemed worthy of that help). The kind of guy who would exhibit “tough love” like immediately throwing a kid in a lake upon finding out the kid hasn’t learned how to swim yet.

But the Fett we’re getting comes across as MUCH softer than that. Too much, IMO (and apparently plenty of others). We were hoping for a grittier, rougher “nice guy”. And it’s worth noting despite his desire to be nice and respectful, he is still trying to be an organized crime boss!! He just seems too soft, indecisive, and lacking in leadership to succeed in that role so far.

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canofhumdingers said:

ZkinandBonez said:

canofhumdingers said:

I think a big issue I have with Boba Fett’s characterization here is that he keeps saying he’s the ruler (daimyo) and that he wants to rule with respect, but he shows almost zero leadership in pretty much every situation where leadership, strength, and decisiveness are needed or appropriate (especially if he wants to establish himself as the guy in charge).

When people complain he seems too weak, it’s not because of his success or failure in battle. It’s his absolutely wishy-washy lack of any real leadership skills.

There’s a such thing as “tough but fair” which is what Fett needs to be (and I think what we all anticipated). But so far he really isn’t.

And it’s especially jarring since that is the characterization we saw with his appearances in Mando and it was fantastic.

I don’t get this, are you saying he was a good leader in his appearances in The Mandalorian season 2? Because I don’t see it. He ordered Fennec around a bit, but that’s about it. They served as temporary killers for hire as they (or rather just Fett) owed Din a debt. Fett was briefly doing what he’s always done, kill for someone else, though obviously for a noble cause this time. Now in BOBF he’s trying to run a small criminal empire (though that’s probably just a facade for an ulterior motive) which involved a entirely different set of skills.

No, the lack of leadership is a general complaint about the way his character is written on this show specifically. Although his indecisiveness plays a huge part in that lack of leadership and that particular aspect (indecision) does run contrary to what we saw in Mando.

But what I was really referring to with my last paragraph was the tough-but-fair issue. In Mando he seemed to be going down a path of becoming like a typical John Wayne character: tough as nails and harsh on the surface, but with a deep sense of loyalty, respect, and true kindness (not surface politeness, but the kind of guy who would sacrifice anything to help someone he deemed worthy of that help). The kind of guy who would exhibit “tough love” like immediately throwing a kid in a lake upon finding out the kid hasn’t learned how to swim yet.

But the Fett we’re getting comes across as MUCH softer than that. Too much, IMO (and apparently plenty of others). We were hoping for a grittier, rougher “nice guy”. And it’s worth noting despite his desire to be nice and respectful, he is still trying to be an organized crime boss!! He just seems too soft, indecisive, and lacking in leadership to succeed in that role so far.

Ah, fair enough, I see what you mean, though I still can’t say completely I agree. Actually I would personally say that the gritty but good John Wayne type character you described fits the new Boba Fett quite well. Now I agree that that in the “present” storyline there’s been a lot of Fett being disrespected by others and him not retaliating which makes him seem quite weak compared to what we’re used to, but I do feel like this is intentional by Favreau as Fett’s trying to be a better person (Bib and the Pykes are bad guys after all, but killing the majordomo f.ex. would just be cruel).

Who knows, maybe I’ll be wrong on this down the line, but I think this is going to change in future episodes as he starts to build his entourage. The tough-but-fair behaviour you mentioned I felt was present in the 2nd episode after the train heist, though I can see how his behaviour seemed a tad too soft in ep. 1 & 3 (especially in the “present” scenes). It could maybe be Rodriguez’s direction that’s an issue and/or maybe too much of Morrison’s real personality is slipping through. I personally find this a minor annoyance–and only in a few moments at that–and I think the writing has been handling it quite well overall. Hopefully this will change down the line, and I think it will. We’ve already seen some tough-guy moments and I’m sure we’ll get more both in the past and present story-lines, especially the latter as that seems to become more in focus.

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The best part was Mayor McCheese!!!

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/book-of-boba-fett-controversy-biker-gang-1235075410/

‘Book of Boba Fett’ Stars React to Biker Gang Controversy: “These Things Are Out of Our Control” by James Hibberd

“Temuera Morrison and Ming-Na Wen discussed that rather colorful biker gang and the show’s Tusken Raiders controversy during a TCA Winter Press Tour panel.”

I’m glad to see such a big news outlet reporting the backlash at the Tusken tribe being killed off for some cheap revenge motivation. I think it’s an important message to send to Lucasfilm.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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jedi_bendu said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/book-of-boba-fett-controversy-biker-gang-1235075410/

‘Book of Boba Fett’ Stars React to Biker Gang Controversy: “These Things Are Out of Our Control” by James Hibberd

“Temuera Morrison and Ming-Na Wen discussed that rather colorful biker gang and the show’s Tusken Raiders controversy during a TCA Winter Press Tour panel.”

I’m glad to see such a big news outlet reporting the backlash at the Tusken tribe being killed off for some cheap revenge motivation. I think it’s an important message to send to Lucasfilm.

It’s become standard that there is Controversy and actors/showrunners Respond to the Controversy. More than anything it’s a way to gin up attention. It was exceedingly silly to ask the actors about the biker gang. Morrison’s attempt at a diplomatic answer didn’t come off well but the aesthetic/character choices for the gang have nothing to do with him nor must he love every choice made in the show. As for the Tuskens, getting upset about them getting killed is natural. If fans didn’t care, the writers didn’t do their jobs well. I’ve thought the flashback portions of the show generally superior so it was a letdown, particularly as there was more that could have been done with them down the road. So far we haven’t see it spurring an act of revenge but seems like show should get there. Mostly the Tuskens served the purpose of facilitating his rebirth and by their dying he could move onto the next stage of his life. What surprises me is that Ming-Na Wen is 58.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Well after the goodness of the 2nd episode, the 3rd episode turned out to be a mixed bag and a backward step for me overall…and I was sorry to lose the Tusken tribe.

I liked seeing more of the big fearsome Wookiee though, and was fine with the arrival of the ‘baby’ Rancor too…especially when accompanied by gnarly ol’ ‘Machete’ himself as it’s perfectly-cast ‘Keeper’, which was a fun addition for me.

But things took a turn for the worse when the MOD-ified gang of youths and their multi-mirrored, garishly-coloured hover scooters were introduced. Their overall ‘Inspector Gadget’-style appearance was naff I thought, and so was some of their dialogue…and I just hope they don’t bring down the remaining episodes too much if they return. However, I really liked the look of the ‘cadillac’-inspired speeder that they chased, so that’s something I guess.

Like his lacklustre 1st episode, Robert Rodriguez dropped the ball again I felt…so little things like carelesss continuity flubs and the lack of any mark on Boba’s face after being belted by the powerful Wookiee’s powered-up ‘knuckleduster’ niggled me somewhat. But as I said in my previous comments, my MUCH YOUNGER self would have probably lapped up every bit of this weekly show with little criticism.

However, while there’s been certain moments that I’ve really liked, I’m NOT including this show in my own Star Wars Saga ‘head canon’ - instead, I’m just looking on it as being a kind of ‘What If?’ fan-fiction using familiar characters in ‘Star Warsy’ settings.

But there’s certainly lots of scope for any future re-edits of this show, and I can think of plenty for this particular episode alone that would improve things greatly for myself overall. Still, I’m interested to see how it all turns out, and am trying to appreciate the good in it.

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What I don’t like about certain episodes is the real feeling of danger or death.

I wish Fett or anyone could show a little more weakness, a little more fear. It’s as if he’s not scared of anything, which is ridiculous, if you ask me.

Could you relate to Luke Skywalker in the first two episodes, if he wasn’t afraid of anything?

Show some more fear in Boba Fett.

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4 episodes in and this show strikes me as completely unnecessary from a narrative/ story perspective. Everything we have seen so far could have been inferred from Season 2 of the Mandalorian. The editing/ vfx are sometimes hit and miss and they keep reusing the same shots from previous episodes (bacta boba I’m looking at you).
So far not impressed.

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