Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 69

Okay, but what’s the significance of that base? Versus the other bases and capital ships?

Is Leia in a rush to kill her son that she feels Han can save from the Dark Side? Do they already know Rey is dangerous and valuable to Palpatine?

What’s the new motivation that they’re in such a rush to blow up THIS base and sacrifice Rey in the process?

They expect their team to get out before they blow it up. As for why they’re doing it, this could be explained as being in the only or biggest First Order base at this time.

big idea I have rn for a scene to insert in a 3-in-1 where after kylo first confronts the emperor he is next seen on the run from the emporer’s imperial guards and then attacked by an unnamed elite squad of the emperor’s acolytes (a repurposed knights of ren). this would be a cool hostile action scene to help sway Kylo to turn on the emperor with Rey’s help (as he later asks of her). The only problem is I’m no effects wizard and I’d need someone to make his saber red for me to put into my edit (since he never comes to the light side and is later slain by Rey). would anyone be kind enough/interested enough to help?

^^^I’ve seen this easily done w/ Adobe Premier Pro and such but I simply don’t have/can’t afford the program. pls help 😉

Anakin Starkiller said:

They expect their team to get out before they blow it up. As for why they’re doing it, this could be explained as being in the only or biggest First Order base at this time.

We know it’s not the only base, because Snoke isn’t there. Also, within mere hours they have control of the Galaxy. If their primary, let alone only, base is destroyed: they wouldn’t have the manpower or strategic positioning to make this happen.

I get that it’s dumb how redundant Starkiller is, but a lot more has to be cut out to make the end make sense.

Ed Slushie said:

Well, that’s why this is the Radical redux ideas thread.

True, I’m just curious what the full redux would be. If we got rid of the strike and made it a mission to rescue Rey and turn Kylo, the climax could be the Battle of D’Qar.

I’m all for radical… I just want some logic and cohesion to it. Ripping apart character motivations because of a derivative plot element with nothing to replace it with seems… lacking.

Regarding all the discussion about turning Pasaana into Jedha, I’m totally down to help with that! That’s a change I’ve wanted to make from the beginning, there’s several ways you can implement this change in interesting ways, and there are a lot of good reasons to do so, I think.

I think if one were to try to get rid of the superweapon aspect of Starkiller Base, you could make the mission 1) Get the the other half of the map to Skywalker, and 2) Rescue Rey. It would make a lot of sense to make this change, since most of the film revolves around the search for Skywalker, then it gets sort of forgotten in the final act in favor another “destroy the superweapon” climax.
Instead of Han and Finn capturing Phasma in order for her to lower the shields, you could change the screen graphics to show the larger portion of the map that they need. Basically, Phasma is forced to give them the other half of the map, which Kylo Ren says they have at different points in the film. So no planetary shield, they drop out of hyperspace close to the planet only to not be detected by their sensors.
By implementing new computer screen inserts, as well as First Order officer/X-Wing pilot off-screen dialogue, you could reestablish the Oscillator as a planetary-scale tractor beam. After Rey escapes, the First Order could activate it so she (nor the Falcon) can escape. This is when the Resistance swoops in to try and help destroy it so they can escape with the map. They struggle with destroying it, which is when Han and the gang come in with their explosives. The “tractor beam” explodes, but the end is altered so the planet doesn’t explode.

And you would just cut the Resistance briefing scene because it actually isn’t necessary if you think about it.

Obviously easier said than done, but I think the best reason for even wanting to try this approach is for the fact that it keeps the movie’s focus on finding the map to Skywalker from beginning to end.

How would an edit like this deal with the ground splitting apart and stopping Rey from killing Kylo?

RogueLeader said:

Regarding all the discussion about turning Pasaana into Jedha, I’m totally down to help with that! That’s a change I’ve wanted to make from the beginning, there’s several ways you can implement this change in interesting ways, and there are a lot of good reasons to do so, I think.

I’m really interested in doing this change now that I’ve come to the realisation it’s pretty plausible (more so than turning Ajan Kloss into Naboo, or Exegol into Korriban). Maybe I can take to doing some dialogue tweaks or doing some Photoshop mock-ups.

Instead of Han and Finn capturing Phasma in order for her to lower the shields, you could change the screen graphics to show the larger portion of the map that they need. Basically, Phasma is forced to give them the other half of the map, which Kylo Ren says they have at different points in the film. So no planetary shield, they drop out of hyperspace close to the planet only to not be detected by their sensors.

This is actually a pretty cool idea.

Awesome! If you could experiment with the dialogue tweaks, that would be the biggest thing. At the minimum, that would be enough to make the change work. With that in mind, here is a few things I think could be altered to hammer this idea across.

1. Two dialogue tweaks. When Rey says it, and the First Order officer says it (the officer could be redubbed).

2. Color grade the planet to better match how Jedha looked in Rogue One.

3. The establishing shot of the planet could be altered to where there is a thin asteroid belt around it (sort of like D’Qar), and add lava inside the large canyon that runs across the planet surface (to imply that’s where the crust was cracked open by the Death Star).

4. We could take an unused arrival shot of Jedha from one of the Rogue One trailers where the U-Wing flies past a giant fallen statue of a Jedi. All we would need to do would be to cover the U-Wing and its shadow with the Falcon. It is a brief shot, but I believe you can find this trailer in 4K so the quality would be good.

5. Optional, but we could use Michael Giacchino’s exotic Jedha motif when the gang arrives at the planet.

Also, I’m glad you like the Starkiller base idea! With the search for the map being the main McGuffin in the movie, I felt like they didn’t explain it very well, nor did they follow it through to the final act in the movie (instead having R2 conveniently have it in his databank the whole time!)

Another idea I had was to alter the opening crawl of TFA a little. Instead of vaguely describing Lor San Tekka as an “old ally” of Leia’s, you could have it say:

Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where a former Imperial cartographer has discovered the missing piece to Luke’s whereabouts…

The idea I want to imply is that Lor San Tekka originally was looking for the first Jedi temple during the days of the Empire (probably because Palpatine wanted to destroy any trace of the Jedi). At some point during his research, he deserted, maybe because he’s from Alderaan and he felt betrayed by the Empire after it was destroyed (this could be why he says, “To me, she’s royalty” in reference to Leia). He stopped looking for it until Luke vanished, which is when he finally decided to complete his search.

This is why the First Order was able to recover a part of the map from the archives of the Empire. You could then interpret Tekka’s first line, “This will begin to make things right” to also mean that this is a way for him to make up for helping the Empire erase the Jedi from history. He now realizes that “without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the Force”.

Some other dialogue changes could be made throughout the movie. Like when Kylo Ren speaks to Lor San Tekka, he could say something like, “The map, we know you finished it. And now you’re going to give it to the First Order.”

Either way, I think it gives the character that legendary actor Max von Sydow portrays some extra depth, despite his brief appearance. It also gives at least some semblance of an explanation for why this map even exists. So many people after TFA were confused by its purpose, wondering if Luke had left the map so someone could find him. We learn in TLJ that this isn’t the case, so having a clearer explanation that doesn’t contradict TLJ would benefit TFA a lot in my opinion, as well as alleviate some of the weaknesses of JJ Abrams’ mystery box storytelling.

That could all work! Though it would be difficult.

Some of the Lor San Tekka stuff could be established even further in the crawl, to help establish this as the main plot and do some of the lifting rather than dialogue replacement.

^^^I’ve seen this easily done w/ Adobe Premier Pro and such but I simply don’t have/can’t afford the program. pls help

Premiere Pro is just editing software like any other. Da Vinci Resolve is free and fully equipped. Maybe you mean Adobe After Effects?

We know it’s not the only base, because Snoke isn’t there. Also, within mere hours they have control of the Galaxy. If their primary, let alone only, base is destroyed: they wouldn’t have the manpower or strategic positioning to make this happen.

Actually, the First Order instantly taking over the Galaxy is my single greatest grip with the trilogy and something I’m keen to erase any hint of. When they blow up the Senate, it just becomes a race to the conquer the Galaxy by two equal sides. I guess I’ll have to imply somehow that the Resistance fleet in TLJ is just one cell.

Every time someone talks about how something’s unfeasible in these radical redux threads, I kinda want to point them out to the absolutely batshit insane stuff in the earlier posts on the prequel radical redux thread.

Tbf, those posts are almost old enough to be in high school.

Turning Pasaana into Jedha does nothing for me. It’s still just another boring desert. Making Exegol Korriban doesn’t work because Korriban’s location should be well known.

I think if one were to try to get rid of the superweapon aspect of Starkiller Base, you could make the mission 1) Get the the other half of the map to Skywalker, and 2) Rescue Rey. It would make a lot of sense to make this change, since most of the film revolves around the search for Skywalker, then it gets sort of forgotten in the final act in favor another “destroy the superweapon” climax.

Instead of Han and Finn capturing Phasma in order for her to lower the shields, you could change the screen graphics to show the larger portion of the map that they need. Basically, Phasma is forced to give them the other half of the map, which Kylo Ren says they have at different points in the film. So no planetary shield, they drop out of hyperspace close to the planet only to not be detected by their sensors.

By implementing new computer screen inserts, as well as First Order officer/X-Wing pilot off-screen dialogue, you could reestablish the Oscillator as a planetary-scale tractor beam. After Rey escapes, the First Order could activate it so she (nor the Falcon) can escape. This is when the Resistance swoops in to try and help destroy it so they can escape with the map. They struggle with destroying it, which is when Han and the gang come in with their explosives. The “tractor beam” explodes, but the end is altered so the planet doesn’t explode.

I really like this. My only complaint is that they don’t bring a droid with them to hack the map out and instead we have to sit through that painful Finn and Phasma scene.

How would an edit like this deal with the ground splitting apart and stopping Rey from killing Kylo?

Concept art for the planet showed it having lava free flowing and I think that’d be a good way to further distinguish it from Hoth. This would easily explain the fissure that ends the duel.

Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where a former Imperial cartographer has discovered the missing piece to Luke’s whereabouts…

I can take it or leave it. I don’t mind one way or the other.

Well you can’t really do much with them not having a droid.

I’m also pretty sure Nev (perhaps someone else, Ridley?) did an edit where the ground didn’t break between Rey and Kylo, and Rey just ran off on her own accord.

Beyond that, you would just need to cut the First Order reacting to the planet falling apart, and also replace the shots of the Falcon and Black Squadron escaping the erupting planet (and Starkiller bursting into a star). That would be the biggest thing.

You would have the shots of Rey and Chewie boarding the Falcon, and then inside the ship, then the next usable shot would be when the camera pans to follow the X-Wings, as them and the Falcon jump into hyperspace. So you would have to fill in those gaps somehow.

Re: current thread topics - I agree that turning Pasaana into Jedha is fairly pointless. Making Pasaana a non-desert planet would be neat, but that kind of large scale VFX is really ambitious and the time would probably be better spent on something like Luke’s wig. Making Lor San Tekka’s lines be less like meaningless fourth-wall breaking waffle would be great (“This will begin to make things right!” feels arrogant in a post-TROS world… same vibe as “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect.”). The Sequel Trilogy does not do big-picture “worldbuilding” well, so any edit which narrows the focus to just the main plot and characters and leaves the actual state of the galaxy as vague as possible (e.g. removing any mentions of exactly how powerful the First Order is) is a winner in my opinion.

Anyway, the main reason I’m in this thread is to ask if anyone has a functioning link to a version of the TROS ending scene without music? I think HAL posted one a few months ago but the drive link is dead. Cheers.

NeverarGreat said:

RogueLeader said:

I’m also pretty sure Nev (perhaps someone else, Ridley?) did an edit where the ground didn’t break between Rey and Kylo, and Rey just ran off on her own accord.

Maybe Digmod? I’m not sure who did that effect.

Yeah, I think you’re right, Nev. I’m pretty sure he did make that change for his TFA edit.

EDIT: According to his website…

Removed the ground ripping apart separating Rey and Kylo Ren; superimposed same shot of Rey and Kylo Ren when Rey shuts down her light saber looking across ravine at Kylo Ren. Now the two cropped images meet removing the gaping hole.

Making Pasaana a non-desert planet would be neat, but that kind of large scale VFX is really ambitious and the time would probably be better spent on something like Luke’s wig

You had me until Luke’s wig. It’s a much smaller detail than Pasaana and given the choice between the two I wouldn’t pick Luke.

Anakin Starkiller said:
You had me until Luke’s wig. It’s a much smaller detail than Pasaana and given the choice between the two I wouldn’t pick Luke.

I just really hate that goofy wig. Every night I dream of grandmaster JonH returning to save us from it.

Luke’s wig is one of those small details that you can’t unsee and it always reminds me of how rushed was the film. Besides having already seen a snippet of how jonh’s version would look like, I’m really hyped for it whenever it’s finished.

For those interested in (I’m talking to you RogueLeader 😄 ), here’s a very early, unrefined version of how the arrival at Jedha (ex-Pasaana) would look and sound: https://youtu.be/LrnAIDbjwkQ

Knight of Kalee said:

For those interested in (I’m talking to you RogueLeader 😄 ), here’s a very early, unrefined version of how the arrival at Jedha (ex-Pasaana) would look and sound: https://youtu.be/LrnAIDbjwkQ

So cool! I think it could fit right in.