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NeverarGreat said:

Maybe after the pain has been blunted by time…maybe. 😉

Anyway, on this project I’ve gone back to an earlier concept for the Starkiller Infiltration. The previous iterations all felt too choppy and stitched together, so I’ve consolidated the Mind Trick scenes back into one. The workprint version of the Kylo Falcon scene came after the X-wing attack, which felt strange because it pulled focus away from that action for too long. Besides, it was originally supposed to take place before the fighter attack. Here I’ve returned it to a previous spot after Rey avoids the guards. With the addition of extra dialogue and that establishing shot, I think it works a bit better.

https://vimeo.com/459628132

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Amazing, all of it.

Only think to nitpick is that the smash cut from Kylo inside the falcon to appearing outside the falcon feels a little abrupt.

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Unfortunately, it was like that in the deleted scene so unless I broke up those shots with other cutaways it will have to stay as it is.

JEDIT: I also still haven’t found a good replacement for the muddled ‘Ship clear’ line. If anyone knows where to find a similar trooper line I’d be super grateful.

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My only gripe is Kylos’s hood/robe thing coming on and off between shots.

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Here’s a rough version of the new sequence I’m considering for the Hosnian Destruction. It’s closer to Restructured, but unlike that scene there’s actually too many shots to fit into the music duration.

https://vimeo.com/459828124

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My initial impression is that it’s still too rushed. Unfortunately, the scene on the Hosnian planet needs to stay in that place unless I opt for a complete rescore of those shots. Also, If Hux orders the firing before Chewie detonates the explosives, it would give that motivation a bit more clarity. Alternately, I could cut back to the Oscillator while the weapon is firing to see Rey and Finn decide to leave, which probably needs to happen on screen. That would allow for the weapon to reach the planet without feeling too abrupt, maybe. There also needs to be some recognition from the pilots…

Does this direction show promise?

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NeverarGreat said:

dgraham414 said:

My only gripe is Kylos’s hood/robe thing coming on and off between shots.

Which shots are these?

Kylo watching the base charge,
Kylo walking down the corridor towards Rey
Kylo destroying the chair
Those shots we doesn’t have it and then he does

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dgraham414 said:

NeverarGreat said:

dgraham414 said:

My only gripe is Kylos’s hood/robe thing coming on and off between shots.

Which shots are these?

Kylo watching the base charge,
Kylo walking down the corridor towards Rey
Kylo destroying the chair
Those shots we doesn’t have it and then he does

Huh, you’re right. I hadn’t noticed that before. However, this continuity error was present in the original film.

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That continuity error was in the original movie, so it doesn’t really matter in my opinion. We can just assume he put it on in between shots.

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NeverarGreat said:

dgraham414 said:

NeverarGreat said:

dgraham414 said:

My only gripe is Kylos’s hood/robe thing coming on and off between shots.

Which shots are these?

Kylo watching the base charge,
Kylo walking down the corridor towards Rey
Kylo destroying the chair
Those shots we doesn’t have it and then he does

Huh, you’re right. I hadn’t noticed that before. However, this continuity error was present in the original film.

Wait it was?? That’s garbage…

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I’d love to check out your workprint. I’ve done a couple edits of The Force Awakens myself, but yours sounds like it has something new to offer.

A link would be most appreciated.

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21C Peasant said:

I’d love to check out your workprint. I’ve done a couple edits of The Force Awakens myself, but yours sounds like it has something new to offer.

A link would be most appreciated.

Id also love a link to the workprint! If you don’t mind me asking when do think you’re gonna wrap up the edit entirely, and do you plan on making edits on 8 or 9?

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Rh_2002 said:

21C Peasant said:

I’d love to check out your workprint. I’ve done a couple edits of The Force Awakens myself, but yours sounds like it has something new to offer.

A link would be most appreciated.

Id also love a link to the workprint! If you don’t mind me asking when do think you’re gonna wrap up the edit entirely, and do you plan on making edits on 8 or 9?

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I don’t mind, but I’m afraid I don’t have an answer for that…there will be a version 1 when I’m satisfied that everything feels complete. That may or may not include removing timecodes, but we’ll see.

There are threads for 8 and 9, but until this is finished I’m not giving them much thought.

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Jumping around some more, one of the biggest holes in this edit has been between Poe’s interrogation and his rescue. The workprint has a couple shots of Rey’s house at night, but in order to make it more of a real scene I thought it might be neat to see her in the morning trying (and failing) to send BB-8 away.

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Placing Rey’s dialogue here instead of in her first scene with the droid actually makes her seem a bit more blase about the droid’s fate, and grounds her a bit more in a selfish mindset. It’s only in this scene where she really relents.

If this new concept shows promise, I will adjust the wide speeder shot to differentiate it from the previous one and perhaps add the twin suns low on the horizon.

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Hmm, I don’t think there are enough shots to really make this work. Plus, the additional Rey dialogue doesn’t really sound like it fits into the ambiance of the environment. I understand what is going on based off of your explanation, but I think it wouldn’t be totally clear without that context.

I wonder if you could do a similar thing as you’ve done in a past attempt, where you went from:
Rey’s Intro
Poe Interrogation
Rey Meets BB-8
Finn Rescues Poe

You could try that order again, but have Rey meeting BB-8 occur the next morning, which could be established with some kind of dawn establishing shots and a different color grade.

I know I’ve probably suggested this before and you probably had a good reason for this not working. But I wonder if you could just combine Poe’s Interrogation and Finn’s Rescue, and since we’ve removed Kylo’s line, “I leave that to you”, we could now have Ren say, “We have what we need” or “We have what we need from him”. And maybe add some sinister music over that line and Hux’s expression. That way, when it cuts to the stormtrooper entering and say Ren wants the prisoner, it leads the audience to believe Poe is about to be executed.

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For the static shot of inside Reys house having some flickering lights or the light coming in through the door adjust slightly over time would really help that shot

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RogueLeader said:

Hmm, I don’t think there are enough shots to really make this work. Plus, the additional Rey dialogue doesn’t really sound like it fits into the ambiance of the environment. I understand what is going on based off of your explanation, but I think it wouldn’t be totally clear without that context.

I wonder if you could do a similar thing as you’ve done in a past attempt, where you went from:
Rey’s Intro
Poe Interrogation
Rey Meets BB-8
Finn Rescues Poe

You could try that order again, but have Rey meeting BB-8 occur the next morning, which could be established with some kind of dawn establishing shots and a different color grade.

I continually get excited by this ordering until I remember the reason I don’t use it, which is that introducing Rey without her meeting BB-8 leaves her as an inexplicable presence in the film. That whole sequence of introduction and meeting the droid is close to perfect.

I know I’ve probably suggested this before and you probably had a good reason for this not working. But I wonder if you could just combine Poe’s Interrogation and Finn’s Rescue, and since we’ve removed Kylo’s line, “I leave that to you”, we could now have Ren say, “We have what we need” or “We have what we need from him”. And maybe add some sinister music over that line and Hux’s expression. That way, when it cuts to the stormtrooper entering and say Ren wants the prisoner, it leads the audience to believe Poe is about to be executed.

I’ve tried to connect those scenes but it feels so sudden. Maybe if there was any extra footage of Finn in armor debating about what to do.

That idea is interesting though. It would probably be necessary to have a more explicit threat, maybe having Kylo say “Dispose of him.” or “Terminate the pilot.” The reason is that this makes Poe’s imminent destruction more immediately important than anything else, justifying the next scene not cutting to Rey. “We have what we need” feels like a shorthand for moving attention away from Poe, not toward him.

Also, if the trooper says “Kylo wants the prisoner” we already know something is up. In the original cut this wasn’t an issue because of the intervening scene but here it’s a bit of whiplash. Maybe if Finn said “It’s time” or something a bit more sinister. Or maybe “I’m here for the prisoner.”

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For the static shot of inside Reys house having some flickering lights or the light coming in through the door adjust slightly over time would really help that shot

These images are really placeholders, if I were to commit to this route there would be a lot of dynamic effects to make these feel like real shots.

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Here’s an idea - Use part of the Kylo prayer scene between the interrogation and the rescue. The reasoning is that during the interrogation, Kylo might have picked up on Poe’s memories of Leia. There could even be some dialogue of her from the deleted scenes: “Poe, if they get to Luke first we don’t have a chance.”

Then just have a couple lines from the prayer scene, keeping the helmet reveal for later: “Forgive me…I feel it…the pull of the light. Show me the power of the darkness.” Then the vision of the Starkiller would be here instead of in the interrogation, along with the First Order theme music making its first appearance.

This would also explain why Kylo felt the need to give Hux the responsibility of going after the droid instead of doing it himself.

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NeverarGreat said:

Here’s a rough version of the new sequence I’m considering for the Hosnian Destruction. It’s closer to Restructured, but unlike that scene there’s actually too many shots to fit into the music duration.

Hey, I know it’s been awhile Nev, but I checked in just to see how the project has been coming along.

The clip you shared above back several weeks ago is really well done. I think that flows very nicely and is probably the best take so far at the Hosnian destruction.

For the pilot reactions, you might be able to use a shot of Poe from either TLJ or TROS. I know there’s a couple shots of him in TROS final battle that might match the emotional weight of the scene.

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Sorry about the late reply, Zig!

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NeverarGreat said:

Here’s a rough version of the new sequence I’m considering for the Hosnian Destruction. It’s closer to Restructured, but unlike that scene there’s actually too many shots to fit into the music duration.

Hey, I know it’s been awhile Nev, but I checked in just to see how the project has been coming along.

It’s going in fits and starts. The latest addition is a change to the end credits music to include Williams’ 2018 Han & Leia Theme, which I think musically evokes the story of Han & Leia’s relationship that we never got to see on-screen, and this transitions to the Kylo theme to give that story its necessary tragic end. It’s not a super necessary change, but I like it.

The clip you shared above back several weeks ago is really well done. I think that flows very nicely and is probably the best take so far at the Hosnian destruction.

Thanks! It’s still a work in progress. I’ve found that the Hosnian destruction is just so weak on its own that it only gains any power from the events surrounding it, so I’m considering how to continue the Oscillator scene around the destruction kind of like the Luke vision was intercut with R2 finding the map. We’ll see. 😃

For the pilot reactions, you might be able to use a shot of Poe from either TLJ or TROS. I know there’s a couple shots of him in TROS final battle that might match the emotional weight of the scene.

That’s a good idea. I assume he has a similar-enough costume for that to work?

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Hi again, Nev.

As it turns out, having watched The Mandalorian has put me back into a Star Wars mood.

Is there anything we could do to help you continue work on The Starlight Project?

Or, would you be open to releasing a full-quality “lite” version that includes the most important changes?

And then we could work toward a more feature-complete version for a later date?

I would love to do a re-watch of The Force Awakens with your changes—notably the Hosnian Prime destruction sequence—as it’s the best of the TFA fanedits I’ve seen. But the current workprint is just too poor an encode and resolution.

All your other ideas for this project are great and I’d like to see them come to fruition, but I’m willing to put them on pause if a higher quality version of the film with your Hosnian Prime sequence is made available.

What do you think? Anything I could do to try and convince you?

Hope you are well these days.

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Sorry to just now be responding, Ziggy. I genuinely missed your comment for a while.

I’d like to finish up this edit and some other projects which are stuck in limbo, but my workstation isn’t currently set up for editing or writing. For Christmas I got a big graphics tablet so I’ve moved everything to a dual monitor setup and built a table for all this to focus on getting some form of an art career off the ground…so yeah. Really I just need another monitor to quickly switch back to a normal computer workflow, and eventually that will happen and I can get back to editing and writing.

As to why I haven’t rendered a decent version of the edit, the new Hosnian destruction is still a work in progress and its placement back in the Oscillator sequence means that the Starkiller destruction must be reworked as well. It shouldn’t take that long once I’ve gotten in there since it’s mostly pulling out a lot of the duct tape and spackle that I originally put there to hold that part together, reverting it to its theatrical version.

Other than that, I want to test out that idea for an alternate Poe interrogation since that bit of the edit isn’t finished even in the workprint. The last big thing would be to rework the dream sequence after Rey is captured by Poe. I don’t think it works, and I might just break down and put the completed Jakku vision back in after Rey’s dinner since she’s apparently got the Force in her blood due to the current canon. As long as we get a tease of Luke’s island somewhere in the film before her vision at the end, I’m happy.

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WOW! Reading both your ideas for this and the other two Sequel Trilogy movies, I’m super interested in this whole project.

Could I possibly get a link to all three?

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^ I have no completed edits yet. All vaporware, totally worthless 😉

Speaking of, the dead speak! I have implemented the new solution to the Jakku restructure:

https://mega.nz/file/CBsx0ACR#6PW_UEn44p6EDu4d3GyRHsGPYuGo3JoPrzhm_zjEB98

This tones down the interrogation dramatically, just keeping some of Poe’s memories as audio. With Leia’s voice in the mix, it feels appropriate to have Kylo retreat from this encounter and push his responsibilities onto Hux, then have his confession scene. The voices are admittedly still a work in progress, but hopefully it conveys the general idea.

My original idea was to split the prayer between this scene in Act 1 and again in Act 2, but the scene’s so short that anything less than its total length was too short. Thus, I’m cutting the Act 2 scene in favor of this one. The change created an issue where Kylo’s parentage would be revealed way too early, so I decided to make it seem like Kylo was praying to the Supreme Leader instead of Vader’s helmet, with the helmet merely being a part of this ritual. Since Kylo’s Vader worship was abandoned pretty quickly in TLJ (and we don’t speak of TROS), this doesn’t feel like a real loss. Also, TLJ implied that Snoke was actually able to influence Ben’s mind across a galaxy and can do this to Rey as well, so a prayer to Snoke feels more natural than praying to the evil mask of a man Ben knows to be redeemed.

Let me know what you think!

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