I guess you could argue that the music brings Rey’s Jedi journey full circle, from catching one saber to then catching another.
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It’s like a math problem as much as it is a tone and feeling problem. You only have about 23 seconds or so to find a piece that evokes the right emotion, flows with the scene, and is in the right key. Which means you’re probably gonna have to edit, cut, and stretch other pieces to make that all work.
Here’s a low-res, and lo-fi mockup I did.
It’s like a math problem as much as it is a tone and feeling problem. You only have about 23 seconds or so to find a piece that evokes the right emotion, flows with the scene, and is in the right key. Which means you’re probably gonna have to edit, cut, and stretch other pieces to make that all work.
Here’s a low-rest lo-fi mockup I did.
I really like this! I’ll need to listen to it somewhere other than my phone, I think that’s why it sounds a little tinny…
It’s like a math problem as much as it is a tone and feeling problem. You only have about 23 seconds or so to find a piece that evokes the right emotion, flows with the scene, and is in the right key. Which means you’re probably gonna have to edit, cut, and stretch other pieces to make that all work.
Here’s a low-res, and lo-fi mockup I did.
Problem is, that music piece from TFA’s credits was already used in this edit, for the ending on Tatooine. I think that music is pretty much perfect in it’s current position, so I wouldn’t want to revert it back to the reused Force theme that was in the original movie.
I’m thinking some remixed version of Rey’s theme would be the best fit for the ghost scene. I’m gonna look on YouTube to see if there’s any versions of the theme that fit the moment.
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The amount of blue can easily be tweaked by increasing or decreasing the opacity of the de-blued clips before applying the LUT.
Comparison: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/7KZYLNNX
Fully agreed- 50% deblue + LUT is by far the best. It’s the perfect blend between looking “real” but still having that slight blue glow… and you’re so right haha, the original looks even more ridiculous now
50% deblue with LUT looks fantastic IMO!
You know, I was gonna go on the side of full de-blued but then I did a comparison with ROTJ Obi:
And I have to agree, the 50% reduction + LUT looks pretty good.
Problem is, that music piece from TFA’s credits was already used in this edit, for the ending on Tatooine. I think that music is pretty much perfect in it’s current position, so I wouldn’t want to revert it back to the reused Force theme that was in the original movie.
Oh definitely, it was just an example of how much editing/changing would need to be done to make something fit there. That piece (a live performance by a completely different orchestra too) had to be pitched down a full step, stretched about 120%, and then the following piece that connects the edit to the Palpatine theme also needed to be timestretched and rearranged. All that to get less than 30 seconds of music to fit there, haha.
I’m thinking some remixed version of Rey’s theme would be the best fit for the ghost scene. I’m gonna look on YouTube to see if there’s any versions of the theme that fit the moment.
I think a version of the Jedi Steps might also work. But I also think NOTHING might work best too. Just thunder, lightning, echoes, breathing and the force ghosts flickering in and out of view.
Attack Of The Clones - added the Prequels Hyperspace theme to a scene, thought I’d just post it in a active Rise Of Skywalker discussion, the other thread is pretty dead.
Filmic Crossroads, Daniel L. Isidore
Attack Of The Clones - added the Prequels Hyperspace theme to a scene, thought I’d just post it in a active Rise Of Skywalker discussion, the other thread is pretty dead.
I really like that
It doesn’t fit the mood of the scene, and to me feels very grounded in the prequels. I promise I’m not out to get you, but I don’t think I’m for this one, either. 😕
It doesn’t fit the mood of the scene, and to me feels very grounded in the prequels. I promise I’m not out to get you, but I don’t think I’m for this one, either. 😕
Holy crap are you going to kill him like Dooku was going to do. Dang Hal.
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“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
I searched for Obi-Wan’s “I’m so sorry,” but that came up first and so I used it. Lol
What’s the issue with burning homestead again? It’s a nice callback to the first time Rey embraces the Force, the scene itself mirrors the moment on Starkiller Base. Even if the force theme is overused I don’t think anything would work better for that moment given the context, and I think such an epic scene (jonh’s force ghosts version) definitely needs epic music.
I do agree the moment after is awkward with the music swelling as rocks crush faceless robed guys and General Pryde blows up.
I searched for Obi-Wan’s “I’m so sorry,” but that came up first and so I used it. Lol
Lol. Admittedly I support your first one! 😄 yay darkness!
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Were it not “Burning Homestead” from ANH, it’d be totally appropriate to harken back to triumphant music as Rey first harnesses the Force. You’re right about that. I think it’s the best option available, and it works in the moment.
I’ve got a more jammed up week than usual ahead of me but I’m hoping to get a final workprint out soon, which will serve as a sync-locked reference as the final elements are finished up and trickle in. I’ll have to find time at some point to do a commentary.
One thing someone could do that would help a lot… would be to generate a list of everyone who has posted in this thread. I hate to ask, and it might just be worth it not to out together such a list this time because there are dramatically more posts than there were for TFA:R and TLJ:L.
There’s not a problem with the music chosen for that scene, what is a bit irking to some is that immediately after it plays it plays again.
After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.
There’s not a problem with the music chosen for that scene, what is a bit irking to some is that immediately after it plays it plays again.
Exactly- Very fitting for the Rey and the Force ghosts, not fitting for rocks crushing Sith loyalists and Star Destroyers blowing up
What’s the issue with burning homestead again? It’s a nice callback to the first time Rey embraces the Force,
It’s an on-the-nose and now-overused callback, period. It was “nice callback” in TFA, and the repurposing of that specific rendition of the Force Theme (which probably shouldn’t have worked in that spot considering what it was intended to be scoring, and what Williams had actually scored for that moment) worked for THAT moment.
But for this moment, it’s so blatantly self-referential, and essentially a “Member-Berries” type insertion that it can’t help but pull focus from what’s happening, to what’s being EDITED, which is death for a fan-edit. It’s always a delicate tightrope to walk when your’e fan-editing, but “Burning Homestead” specifically - not the Force Theme, but that specific version of it - isn’t really doing anything but calling attention to itself as being a super-obvious echo of a better moment from a better movie, instead of actually scoring the feeling of the movie we’re all currently watching.
That’s my issue with it. I think it might be better to just let the moment stand starkly with no music at all than to keep trying to track in old music for that moment. I wonder if there’s a way to extend what Williams actually scored for that exact moment, too, but otherwise - Burning Homestead in that sequence just plays to me like fanservice, not dramatic payoff.
And again, the edit in the scene currently is in the wrong key, and isn’t merged well with the surrounding music cues on top of that.
Hal I’ll make a list of replies to this thread. I have no skill, but I can do that at least!
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Here’s an old test from the last time we hashed this out, using the music intended for TFA that was replaced with Burning Homestead:
I even tried to see if it could be put back into that moment in TFA, but it would affect sync in order to do and I am not willing to go through all that it would take to do another update to that project. Plus not everyone watching will have the whole 9000 setup.
I’m open to mock-ups of other pieces of music. We’ve gone over this before at pain, and haven’t found anything better.
Hal I’ll make a list of replies to this thread. I have no skill, but I can do that at least!
Here’s an old test from the last time we hashed this out, using the music intended for TFA that was replaced with Burning Homestead:
I even tried to see if it could be put back into that moment in TFA, but it would affect sync in order to do and I am not willing to go through all that it would take to do another update to that project. Plus not everyone watching will have the whole 9000 setup.
Gotta be honest that doesn’t fit the scene IMO
I agree, which is why it hasn’t been considered past that mock-up. There hasn’t been anything to match the feel of Burning Homestead.
I don’t really get why it seems to be in the ‘wrong key.’ It doesn’t sound off to me when blended into the scene.
It’s definitely off. It doesn’t seem to be in the wrong key. It’s in the wrong key with the music surrounding it. The transition is off both going into and coming out of the tracked music.
Anyway, that’s my complaint with it. But my complaint is only worth so much, and it’s mostly only mine, so… hey! Honestly, the only reason I’m still hitting it is become someone directly asked. But after this, there’s really no reason to explain it again!
I still think the absence of music might work better than anything. But "Burning Homestead’ for a third time is just… it’s not good. In fact, I can’t think of a single piece of music that’s ever been directly tracked into as many key moments as that one will have been for this edit. It’s pushing it to do that TWICE.
The prequels used tracked music constantly. I don’t think it’s really that big an issue.
The prequels used tracked music constantly. I don’t think it’s really that big an issue.
I just said it’s not that big an issue, LOL.
But: trying to use the prequels (often frequently terrible) tracking practices as a positive example for anything doesn’t play well, for me. And again, I’m not even arguing against the practice of tracking music. I’ve said multiple times now that the tracking of Burning Homestead in TFA worked. It’s the specific choice to use this single, already re-tracked cue again, and the way that re-tracked music is awkwardly inserted into the mix. On a technical level, it’s not good. On a thematic level, it’s threadbare and on-the-nose.
Usually, if Williams wrote music for a scene, it’s probably best to stick with what he wrote for that scene, or use nothing at all.