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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 668

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Yeah, they got back to me pretty quickly and the page seems to be back up!

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Harmy said:

Yeah, they got back to me pretty quickly and the page seems to be back up!

EXCELLENT! Sorry about the two dude posts, can’t seem to delete them and had NOTHING interesting to add in editing them LOL

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Bluto said:

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IIRC there are a few places where the heavy cropping has a significant impact on content. I think ESB is worst affected of the three films, and I think there’s one scene where Leia is cropped out of the image altogether. But as far as I know, nothing of that scale in Star Wars.

Do you know roughly which scene this is? Presumably she was already cropped out to some degree originally for her to disappear completely, unless the new cropping is considerable there.

Harmy - I don’t blame you for planning to keep the UHD cropping for the most part. It would be a near impossible job to reinstate a border seamlessly throughout each entire film. Thanks for the video update!

I seriously don’t know. I’m trying to search threads here but you know how that is 😉

I just remember reading about it in one of the UHD/changes threads, but there are so many, it’s hard to keep track. Yes, I believe she was already at an extreme edge to begin with, but the cropping on ESB also takes out a bigger chunk of the edges.

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Oh, one more thing about the cropping. The subtitle overlays we (or at least I) currently use for SW and ROTJ are based on DeEd 2.x framing. Presumably, if the shot is cropped, those subtitles will need to be resized and repositioned to match the new frame. Not a big problem, just something to keep in mind.

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Having worked with both 4k77 and the UHD now, in most cases 4k77 is significantly more tightly cropped than the UHD. So this conversation about cropping is kinda moot.

Maybe in a couple of scenes in Star Wars the cropping varies but in the majority of shots the UHD has more picture info.

In Empire, for many of the Falcon shots were cropped for the SE but these are the only examples of deliberate cropping by Lucasfilm.

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Bluto said:

CatBus said:

IIRC there are a few places where the heavy cropping has a significant impact on content. I think ESB is worst affected of the three films, and I think there’s one scene where Leia is cropped out of the image altogether. But as far as I know, nothing of that scale in Star Wars.

Do you know roughly which scene this is? Presumably she was already cropped out to some degree originally for her to disappear completely, unless the new cropping is considerable there.

Harmy - I don’t blame you for planning to keep the UHD cropping for the most part. It would be a near impossible job to reinstate a border seamlessly throughout each entire film. Thanks for the video update!

Found it.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/DIF-Difference-tool-to-spot-visual-changes-Current-2004-vs-2019/id/13179/page/3#1344390

There’s a million screencaps in that post, so search for the text “she goes out of frame”. It’s a scene where Leia is definitely not the focus of the shot, but she is speaking, so it’s significant IMO that she got cropped out of the frame.

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I’ve started work on the colors for Despecialized 3.0, which will be a scene by scene color grading. I’ve finished a first pass on the opening shots on board the Tantive IV, and the confrontation between Vader and Antilles:

Color variations between shots within a scene are inherent to the source. It’s interesting to note,that the 2019 SE is the first official release with enough color fidelity to resolve the different colors of the walls, and panels inside the Tantive IV:

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DrDre said:

I’ve started work on the colors for Despecialized 3.0, which will be a scene by scene color grading. I’ve finished the opening shots on board the Tantive IV, and the confrontation between Vader and Antilles:

Color variations between shots within a scene are inherent to the source. It’s interesting to note,that the 2019 SE is the first official release with enough color fidelity to resolve the different colors of the walls, and panels inside the Tantive IV:

Can’t wait.

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.

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DrDre said:

I’ve started work on the colors for Despecialized 3.0

There appears to be quite a bit of splotchy chroma artifacting going on. Is that in the source or is it just the result of crappy web compression? (Are you grading in 10-bit?)

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44rh1n said:

DrDre said:

I’ve started work on the colors for Despecialized 3.0

There appears to be quite a bit of splotchy chroma artifacting going on. Is that in the source or is it just the result of crappy web compression? (Are you grading in 10-bit?)

I’m afraid, that’s in the source, although compression may cause it to look worse. I’m using a 10 bit source.

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DrDre said:

44rh1n said:

DrDre said:

I’ve started work on the colors for Despecialized 3.0

There appears to be quite a bit of splotchy chroma artifacting going on. Is that in the source or is it just the result of crappy web compression? (Are you grading in 10-bit?)

I’m afraid, that’s in the source, although compression may cause it to look worse. I’m using a 10 bit source.

What software are you in? We were having this exact same issue a few weeks ago with Star Wars in Premiere because Premiere defaults to 8-bit processing. But we didn’t have any problems in Resolve, or when we manually enabled 10-bit processing in Premiere.

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44rh1n said:

DrDre said:

44rh1n said:

DrDre said:

I’ve started work on the colors for Despecialized 3.0

There appears to be quite a bit of splotchy chroma artifacting going on. Is that in the source or is it just the result of crappy web compression? (Are you grading in 10-bit?)

I’m afraid, that’s in the source, although compression may cause it to look worse. I’m using a 10 bit source.

What software are you in? We were having this exact same issue a few weeks ago with Star Wars in Premiere because Premiere defaults to 8-bit processing. But we didn’t have any problems in Resolve, or when we manually enabled 10-bit processing in Premiere.

I’m using Virtualdub to generate individual frames from a 10 bit source. The frames are 8 bit, so I’m probably having the same isdue then, and need to find a way of generating 16 bit frames.

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Dek Rollins said:

Are you still using the D+ capture for your tests?

No, Harmy has shared shots from his master file.

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In light of the colors for the Vader/Antilles sequence, that I’m very happy with, I think there’s too much yellow in the earlier shots:

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DrDre said:

In light of the colors for the Vader/Antilles sequence, that I’m very happy with, I think there’s too much yellow in the earlier shots:

I’m looking at the screen capture on a calibrated monitor and it does not seem too yellow to me. If anything, it just looks desaturated in red/magenta (rebel skin tones) and yellow (Threepio). The middle aged rebel who gets the close up is possibly ‘supposed’ to appear sunburnt, for example. At least that is how he always looked to me on PAL VHS tapes and UK broadcasts.

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Darth Dougal said:

DrDre said:

In light of the colors for the Vader/Antilles sequence, that I’m very happy with, I think there’s too much yellow in the earlier shots:

I’m looking at the screen capture on a calibrated monitor and it does not seem too yellow to me. If anything, it just looks desaturated in red/magenta (rebel skin tones) and yellow (Threepio). The middle aged rebel who gets the close up is possibly ‘supposed’ to appear sunburnt, for example. At least that is how he always looked to me on PAL VHS tapes and UK broadcasts.

The video telecines are not good references for color, and generally oversaturated to compensate for the low contrast. I’m using 35mm print frames as a reference for these colors. C-3PO is a brass color, and the rebel soldier has slightly peachy pink skin with red blush.

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The video telecines are not good references for color, and generally oversaturated. I’m using 35mm print frames as a reference for these colors. C-3PO is a brass color, and the rebel soldier has slightly peachy pink skin with red blush.

Ah, okay. That makes sense - thanks for your reply 👍

I wondered if the ‘sunburn’ was caused by the infamous summer of 1976 but those corridor shots were filmed in April.

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Question about scene-by-scene vs shot-by-shot: have you seen a significant difference in shot-to-shot variation in the 19SE source vs prints and other sources? i.e. when you say the shot-to-shot variation is inherent to the source, is that mostly ultimately due to the 1977 source in your opinion, or did it get added/boosted somewhere along the restoration pipeline?

Just wondering. Scene by scene looks very nice, and IMO white walls have never done anyone any favors with shot-to-shot color consistency.

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CatBus said:

Question about scene-by-scene vs shot-by-shot: have you seen a significant difference in shot-to-shot variation in the 19SE source vs prints and other sources? i.e. when you say the shot-to-shot variation is inherent to the source, is that mostly ultimately due to the 1977 source in your opinion, or did it get added/boosted somewhere along the restoration pipeline?

Just wondering. Scene by scene looks very nice, and IMO white walls have never done anyone any favors with shot-to-shot color consistency.

From what I can tell the 19SE got a shot by shot color grading, and is overall more consistent shot by shot than the 1977 and 1997 prints.

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Here’s a first pass on the Leia/R2-D2 corridor scene:

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DrDre said:

Here’s a first pass on the Leia/R2-D2 corridor scene:

It’s nice to see all that red clipping from the 2011SE gone.

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