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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 53

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DominicCobb said:

One thought I had recently regarding the Force ghost Ben angle, why not just Ben and Leia? That way it focuses on them finally reunited, and we don’t have to debate whether Anakin should be involved with this Skywalker family get together.

That’s quite a good idea seeing that Rey hardly even seemed to like Luke, but it might be a little weird that Luke doesn’t visit, seeing that he’s the only character who even remotely has any relevance to the Lars homestead.

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Yeah, it’s a conundrum. I agree that just snipping out “Rey —- Rey who?” helps a little.

Having a trio of ghosts with Luke, Leia, and Ben with a cheesey smile that I like might help too.

But I don’t really have any other big ideas. I’m open, of course.

One could remove her saber and imply that the story of all that stuff is done for now, with less of a direct statement that we won’t see what happens next.

Or like I’ve said before, if her lightning is yellowish earlier, this moment is given some meaning, showing her accepting and incorporating it with balance inside herself.

Or when she ignites the saber, we transition into a lengthy mental montage of all the Star Wars toy commercials throughout the ages before snapping back to reality when the old woman arrives.

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I might be in the minority, but I really like the ending as is. The only thing I would add is Force Ghost Ben Solo.

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DominicCobb said:

One thought I had recently regarding the Force ghost Ben angle, why not just Ben and Leia? That way it focuses on them finally reunited, and we don’t have to debate whether Anakin should be involved with this Skywalker family get together.

Then her declaration wouldn’t make sense as Leia is an Organa and Ben a Solo.

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in my opinion, like all star wars endings, it should have no dialogue
(remove the old woman)

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Yeah, in the ROTS(?) DVD commentary, Lucas makes a point of saying all the movies end with a purely musical scene, and this is true of 1-7 (the broom boy scene has the action figures bit and the alien shouting which arguably disqualifies it, but it’s in a similar spirit also).

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I might try to make a version without the old lady.

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https://youtu.be/L_8-dWSLDWI

I thought this video was very insightful on the score and I do feel like rescoring is the best way to go, unfortunately the only piece of music on par with the other films is the new motif that plays when they all hug at the end in my opinions

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specialk2121 said:

I might be in the minority, but I really like the ending as is. The only thing I would add is Force Ghost Ben Solo.

I agree…all I needed was Ben showing up as a force ghost at the end to join his mother and uncle. I also wish Finn had of been there to imply he would be Rey’s first Jedi student. However, I don’t know how you would imply that with the material we currently have unless it was audio off screen because the sequel trilogy doesn’t have enough of Finn yelling “RRRREEEEYYYYY!”

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I just found this video this morning. I don’t know if anyone here has seen it, but user Idkartist added ghosts of both Ben and Anakin to the end. The effect looks amazing, especially the footage they used of Adam Driver. The only thing I’d do differently in it is to have him in Jedi robes instead of his Kylo Ren attire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlnRy7g--tU

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@nl0428 I remember that and idkartist was on this thread or the other one and talked about it. I like the concept of it to really “tie” in the full on Skywalker saga aspect of it. Before there was discussion about either having or not having Anakin in it, but with what Jonh is doing with the force ghost scenes … it would fit nicely now. I would now age Anakin a bit as Jonh has done and give him the Jedi robes. A lot of work, but with these amazing editors on this site, it seems doable.

The footage and expression that was used for Adam Driver fits with the scene very well, there is something “off” about his head. Lot’s of discussion about camera angle, kind of camera, etc. etc. to explain why it may seem off and I personally can’t get pass it since each time I watch it, my brain triggers “Something about it is not right.” If that could at all be “corrected” and touch up Anakin, I think it would be fitting especially on top of what Jonh has been doing.

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sade1212 said:

Yeah, in the ROTS(?) DVD commentary, Lucas makes a point of saying all the movies end with a purely musical scene, and this is true of 1-7 (the broom boy scene has the action figures bit and the alien shouting which arguably disqualifies it, but it’s in a similar spirit also).

In terms of script, I think the fact that the broom boy walks outside signifies a scene change, meaning that movie’s final scene is technically without dialogue as well.

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nl0428 said:

I just found this video this morning. I don’t know if anyone here has seen it, but user Idkartist added ghosts of both Ben and Anakin to the end. The effect looks amazing, especially the footage they used of Adam Driver. The only thing I’d do differently in it is to have him in Jedi robes instead of his Kylo Ren attire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlnRy7g--tU

I don’t know if Anakin is really necessary for the scene. He would be more like a bonus.
Kylo, on the other hand has to be there. I second having him with a lighter robe (unlike Anakin, Kylo’s dark costume design has always been associated to his evil phase).

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Hal 9000 said:

I agree, minus Anakin.

Fair enough, I could go either way honestly.

As for Adam’s face … a could “adding” more hair to the side of his head help sell it? It’s not a close up and he is not solid (semi transparent) so it gives a lot more leeway in doing that.

Here’s a shot from the Exegol fight: https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-hID7feI5YSGBFuSl-2r50iA-original.jpg

His hair sticks out quite a bit on the sides, a la “poofier”. The footage used at the end his really thin, which makes his head seem larger than it should from the video. Maybe that would do it?

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

DominicCobb said:

One thought I had recently regarding the Force ghost Ben angle, why not just Ben and Leia? That way it focuses on them finally reunited, and we don’t have to debate whether Anakin should be involved with this Skywalker family get together.

Then her declaration wouldn’t make sense as Leia is an Organa and Ben a Solo.

That doesn’t mean they’re not Skywalkers though.

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Ed Slushie said:

sade1212 said:

Yeah, in the ROTS(?) DVD commentary, Lucas makes a point of saying all the movies end with a purely musical scene, and this is true of 1-7 (the broom boy scene has the action figures bit and the alien shouting which arguably disqualifies it, but it’s in a similar spirit also).

In terms of script, I think the fact that the broom boy walks outside signifies a scene change, meaning that movie’s final scene is technically without dialogue as well.

Yeah I mean Empire is sort of in a similar situation. Feel like people forget that one.

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Hal 9000 said:

I agree, minus Anakin.

+1.
and put kylo’s robes in the last jedi at luke’s academy

the gesture he makes with his head adam driver is a little bit strange … maybe, it would be better if he was still, like luke and leia

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NeverarGreat said:

It’s an improvement, but damn that scene gets worse each time I see it. Every moment feels either subtly or explicitly wrong.

Why is Rey going to the homestead?
Why is BB-8 acting like it belongs to Rey instead of Poe?
Why is Rey riding down the sand like it’s a treasured childhood memory instead of a reminder of her painful past?
Why does Rey go down into the empty house at all if she goes back outside to bury the sabers?
Why does Rey bury the sabers?
Why does she activate her own saber and look at it? Does she just like admiring her own work that much?
Why does a woman suddenly appear in a place where ‘there has been nobody for so long’, and ask about Rey’s last name? Were the Lars family her friends? If so how would Rey’s Skywalker pronouncement mean anything to her?
Why do Luke and Leia appear to her in this moment and not Ben?
Why does Rey turn away from the old woman, who clearly wants to talk to someone, to go stare at the binary sunrise?

Answers:
Rey goes to Tatooine bury Master Skywalker’s lightsaber where he lived.
Rey kind of adopted BB-8 back on Jakku. He’s like a little dog, obedient to a few owners.
Sliding down the sand is a callback to her desert roots, she will never forget where she comes from.
Rey goes down into the house out of curiosity to see where the legend grew up.
Rey buries the sabers to pay respects and show the old ways are ending.
Activating her own saber once again shows we are moving forward out of the old ways. Jedis probably look at their sabers a few time after they make them.
An old woman suddenly appears because she is nosy and saw the Falcon flying near her dwelling.
A nosy person might want to know your last name.
Luke and Leia appear in the moment because they symbolize the twin suns of Tatooine. Adding Ben would be cool, but so far it has not been done well.
Rey turns to the sunrise because time has passed.

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Yeah, all of those questions have answers, they’re not really plot holes. And I think the whole idea of “plot holes” as a way to objectively critique movies is really dumb in general, but that’s another story.

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It’s not whether they have answers or not but whether these moments feel genuine. I was pointing them out because where these moments might feel natural in another film, here they feel like little more than a string of actions placed on film purely for the audience and not for Rey herself.

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Guess it’s purely a subjective thing. I personally felt like returning to Tatooine was a good choice, both for the movie and Rey’s character. It’s a nice place for her to honor the Skywalker legacy, and it shows that Rey now considers herself part of that metaphorical “family”.

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