Holy crap, that’s amazing! Glad to see this edit is finally underway.
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They are both really really good.
I also like how you cut Kylo’s scene in between Rey’s training. I did the exact same thing, but your flashes are wonderful.
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Phenomenal editing. Dare I say; it feels more smoothly edited than theatrical TROS. In my personal edit, I’ve been working on trying to stick more of Kylo into Rey’s angry training scene, but I think you’ve convinced me that it plays very well without any cutting back and forth at all. Very excited to see the rest of this.
Thanks for the kind words guys. Was definitely curious to see the reaction to these.
I really like the flashing between the shots of helmeted Kylo and dark Rey, and the sound effects.
That was driven by the line that Rey saw both herself and Ren on the throne. Barring a VFX shot of him sitting on her lap or something, I thought this might at least give the suggestion that she saw both her and him together.
It’s cool to finally see what you had in mind for Kylo repairing his mask. It definitely gives more clarification as to what motivates Kylo to reforge his mask.
Things have definitely changed a bit from what I outlined in my cutlist, but I’m glad I found a way to fit it in that people seem to like.
I also like how you cut Kylo’s scene in between Rey’s training. I did the exact same thing, but your flashes are wonderful.
Phenomenal editing. Dare I say; it feels more smoothly edited than theatrical TROS. In my personal edit, I’ve been working on trying to stick more of Kylo into Rey’s angry training scene, but I think you’ve convinced me that it plays very well without any cutting back and forth at all. Very excited to see the rest of this.
I think for me this was definitely the moment in the theater when I thought ‘this editing is way too hectic.’ I can definitely see the rationale for keeping the Kylo portion together with the Rey portion, and I tried it that way at first, but this feels more right for what I’m going for.
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Vision of the future:
https://vimeo.com/406327520Visions of the past:
https://vimeo.com/406328685Please keep in my these are still rough.
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Vision of the future:
https://vimeo.com/406327520Visions of the past:
https://vimeo.com/406328685Please keep in my these are still rough.
Big thanks to snooker for the shot of the Falcon.
Love both of these! Keep up the great work; I’m looking forward to seeing the finished product one day!
I’m preaching to the choir here, but those force vision clips are glorious. Absolutely how it should have been in the first place.
If pseudo-impaling Luke wouldn’t be too crowded, I feel like Luke’s got to haunt him in some way.
But these are wonderful, in any edit. It helps the movie do what it wants to do.
Rey’s vision feels absolutely perfect, better than the original for sure.
Kylo’s vision veers a bit into fanedit territory for me, mainly due to reusing so many shots from TLJ. Perhaps removing some of the shots that are clearly not from Kylo’s POV would help. I agree with Hal that if there’s a way to use Luke for haunting purposes, perhaps the closeup of his face in his duel with Kylo, that would be ideal.
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Absolutely awesome work. Honestly these are the first fanedited clips I’ve seen of TROS that make me think a fanedit of this movie has some potential.
Kylo’s vision veers a bit into fanedit territory for me, mainly due to reusing so many shots from TLJ. Perhaps removing some of the shots that are clearly not from Kylo’s POV would help. I agree with Hal that if there’s a way to use Luke for haunting purposes, perhaps the closeup of his face in his duel with Kylo, that would be ideal.
That’s fair, Kylo is definitely the one I’m still iffy on. I worry it’s a bit too long, but at the same time I don’t want it to be too short, because it’s a scene all it’s own now. There’s a balance. I planned to have Luke at first but when I got down to it it didn’t fit the structure I was making. Perhaps there’s a world where the vision is less long and less focused (more like Rey’s), and I can slip some Luke in there like I planned. I’ll keep it as is for now and come back to this later with fresh eyes.
I have to say that I really like how Kylo’s vision recontextualizes his decision to reforge the mask. It’s a moment that felt almost completely unmotivated in the original cut and here it feels like a very logical progression for the character. He’s desperately trying to cling on to his dark side persona after briefly letting himself be vulnerable in TLJ, but of course the cracks in his armor are plain as day.
Rey’s vision feels absolutely perfect, better than the original for sure.
I agree with Hal that if there’s a way to use Luke for haunting purposes, perhaps the closeup of his face in his duel with Kylo, that would be ideal.
You could probably flash cut from Luke in close-up smirking at him, straight to the “Evil Luke” false-vision (since it’s the version Kylo legit believes in) to replace some of the Rey shots, and further you could shorten up the “touching hands” shot to jump cut to Luke screaming “NO” (edit: he screams STOP actually)
Heck, you could probably go straight from
Touching hands - Luke “NO” - Kylo (after Luke disappears) “NO”
bang-bang-bang quick cuts. Just long enough for viewers to recognize what the shots are, but not long enough for them to play out. I think that’s why the Rey vision works as well as it does, is the cuts are timed PERFECTLY to let viewers recognize what’s being referenced but they stop the second that synapse fires. That’s tough to do, and you nailed it Dom.
You could probably flash cut from Luke in close-up smirking at him, straight to the “Evil Luke” false-vision (since it’s the version Kylo legit believes in) to replace some of the Rey shots, and further you could shorten up the “touching hands” shot to jump cut to Luke screaming “NO”
Oh, that’s interesting! That certainly sounds like something that could work very, very well. 😮
Holy crap, excellent work on both of those, Dom!
Rey’s vision feels absolutely perfect, better than the original for sure.
Kylo’s vision veers a bit into fanedit territory for me, mainly due to reusing so many shots from TLJ. Perhaps removing some of the shots that are clearly not from Kylo’s POV would help. I agree with Hal that if there’s a way to use Luke for haunting purposes, perhaps the closeup of his face in his duel with Kylo, that would be ideal.
Yes the Rey vision is far better than the original. Great idea with the lightning from Rey then from the Emperor-- and then the well done dyad at the end. Soooo much better. The only thing possibly to consider: would the female hand with lightning reveal too much of the future and spoil the Pasaana scene for 1st time viewer? Probably not, but just something to consider.
The Kylo vision is done well but feels more like a recap with all the TLJ visuals. I’d try to stick to
TLJ audio with more TROS visuals that could fit with it.
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Rey’s vision feels absolutely perfect, better than the original for sure.
Kylo’s vision veers a bit into fanedit territory for me, mainly due to reusing so many shots from TLJ. Perhaps removing some of the shots that are clearly not from Kylo’s POV would help. I agree with Hal that if there’s a way to use Luke for haunting purposes, perhaps the closeup of his face in his duel with Kylo, that would be ideal.
Yes the Rey vision is far better than the original. Great idea with the lightning from Rey then from the Emperor-- and then the well done dyad at the end. Soooo much better. The only thing possibly to consider: would the female hand with lightning reveal too much of the future and spoil the Pasaana scene for 1st time viewer? Probably not, but just something to consider.
The idea is it’s a vision of Rey’s dark future, so hopefully when you see that happen on Pasaana you think “oh it’s coming true.” Ideally a first viewer should just think her hand with the lightning is just another hypothetical until it happens.
The Kylo vision is done well but feels more like a recap with all the TLJ visuals. I’d try to stick to
TLJ audio with more TROS visuals that could fit with it.
The goal is to make it more past-focused, justifying his decision to rebuild the mask. It’s sort of a contrast with Rey where she’s seeing a future she wants to prevent and Kylo’s seeing past mistakes he’s trying to reconcile with.
The goal is to make it more past-focused, justifying his decision to rebuild the mask. It’s sort of a contrast with Rey where she’s seeing a future she wants to prevent and Kylo’s seeing past mistakes he’s trying to reconcile with.
Ok you’re right so really no way around the TLJ flashbacks then. If they can be shortened though similarly to the Rey vision flashes (but maybe not quite as insanely quick) then it wouldn’t feel as fanedity to me at least. That last shot you added of Rey (from the Rey vision), was that behind the scenes, the one of her in the hood looking to the left side of the screen because it looks fucking great.
heil Palpatine!
The goal is to make it more past-focused, justifying his decision to rebuild the mask. It’s sort of a contrast with Rey where she’s seeing a future she wants to prevent and Kylo’s seeing past mistakes he’s trying to reconcile with.
Ok you’re right so really no way around the TLJ flashbacks then. If they can be shortened though similarly to the Rey vision flashes (but maybe not quite as insanely quick) then it wouldn’t feel as fanedity to me at least.
Yeah, that’s what I’m working on now.
That last shot you added of Rey (from the Rey vision), was that behind the scenes, the one of her in the hood looking to the left side of the screen because it looks fucking great.
Yep! With some basic color correction to have it fit the other footage.
Yep! With some basic color correction to have it fit the other footage.
Sweet job on it. It’s really cool too because she looks kind of like a hybrid between Sith queen Rey and Jedi Rey.
heil Palpatine!
Kind of a weird, possibly pointless note considering what you’ve set out as your goals, but considering you’re changing the lore anyway, I think leaving Kylo’s ultimate fate ambiguous, i.e. cutting away before he dies is kinda a good idea (thus avoiding repetitive “redeemed bad guy dies instantly after doing good thing” trope, and also not requiring fx to add him to Tatooine or anything like that). And a question: are you planning to keep the way Rey defeats Palpatine the same as in the movie: by blocking force lightning with 2 lightsabers? (it’s super dumb)
Thoughts, anyone? I understand it may be out of this edit’s scope, but on the other hand to me these elements are nearly as ew as rey palpatine and “Rey Skywalker”, speaking of which, is that final line staying? Changing that goes together with preserving “Rey the nobody”, does it not?
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Kind of a weird, possibly pointless note considering what you’ve set out as your goals, but considering you’re changing the lore anyway, I think leaving Kylo’s ultimate fate ambiguous, i.e. cutting away before he dies is kinda a good idea (thus avoiding repetitive “redeemed bad guy dies instantly after doing good thing” trope, and also not requiring fx to add him to Tatooine or anything like that).
I’m definitely considering alternatives to Ben’s fate, although personally I think cutting away after the kiss and never showing him again may be a step too far in terms of ambiguity.
And a question: are you planning to keep the way Rey defeats Palpatine the same as in the movie: by blocking force lightning with 2 lightsabers? (it’s super dumb)
I with you there, although I can’t really think of any alternative. I’m all ears though if someone comes up with something.
Thoughts, anyone? I understand it may be out of this edit’s scope, but on the other hand to me these elements are nearly as ew as rey palpatine and “Rey Skywalker”, speaking of which, is that final line staying? Changing that goes together with preserving “Rey the nobody”, does it not?
I don’t really see it as contradicting Rey Nobody, in fact I think it works well with it. In either scenario, she’s adopting the name because she’s fulfilling the Skywalker legacy, regardless of her upbringing.
That said, there is a chance, depending on what I do with the final scene, that the moment will be cut anyway.
Kind of a weird, possibly pointless note considering what you’ve set out as your goals, but considering you’re changing the lore anyway, I think leaving Kylo’s ultimate fate ambiguous, i.e. cutting away before he dies is kinda a good idea (thus avoiding repetitive “redeemed bad guy dies instantly after doing good thing” trope, and also not requiring fx to add him to Tatooine or anything like that).
I’m definitely considering alternatives to Ben’s fate, although personally I think cutting away after the kiss and never showing him again may be a step too far in terms of ambiguity.
And a question: are you planning to keep the way Rey defeats Palpatine the same as in the movie: by blocking force lightning with 2 lightsabers? (it’s super dumb)
I with you there, although I can’t really think of any alternative. I’m all ears though if someone comes up with something.
Thoughts, anyone? I understand it may be out of this edit’s scope, but on the other hand to me these elements are nearly as ew as rey palpatine and “Rey Skywalker”, speaking of which, is that final line staying? Changing that goes together with preserving “Rey the nobody”, does it not?
I don’t really see it as contradicting Rey Nobody, in fact I think it works well with it. In either scenario, she’s adopting the name because she’s fulfilling the Skywalker legacy, regardless of her upbringing.
That said, there is a chance, depending on what I do with the final scene, that the moment will be cut anyway.
About the alternatives for Bens fate, have you considered cutting him completely After the moment Rey heals him? Then Rey faces the Emperor by herself, and maybe even dies, or not. Then in the end we can go back to Ben, meeting the vision of His father etc, and closing the movie with reborn Ben Solo, throwing His lightsaber away, leaving is with ambigous bitter sweet ending. Ben Solo came back to light, survived the movie. But what next? He cant go back to the FO, Resistance and the New Republic wont forget nor forgive him His crimes either. Now he has to find a Way to redeem himself and spend the rest of His life trying somehow to repair the evil he has done. Maybe he ll run away on an exile? Maybe he ll rebuild the Jedi order? Maybe he ll fight the remnants of the FO? It would be a nice open ending i think.
I think the problem with him just disappearing after he chucks the lightsaber is that the structure of the movie (and of storytelling we’re familiar with in general) would make his disappearance play as a mistake and not a subversion or open-ended variation on the story. People would simply think someone “forgot” to have him show back up.
Once redeemed, he’s got to do something while in that state. He doesn’t have to be in that state for a very long time, obviously, but he’s got to do something WHILE IN THAT STATE otherwise the story feels incomplete.
So far the best possible edit idea I’ve heard (which - again, suggests a lot of skill on the part of the person putting it together, like creating a Mustafar establishing shot showing Point A and Point B, from original pieces) is that Kylo comes back, joins in the fight with Rey, and everything plays out the same way it did before - except when Kylo heals Rey, she wakes up - and he’s completely gone already. We don’t see him again until later, where the wordless ending sequence becomes a crosscut between the two - Rey at the homestead, Kylo at Ahch-To in self-exile. She wanders around the homestead, he’s climbing up the island, etc. etc.
The idea of ending the movie (sans weird nosy old lady) with her looking at the twin suns, and him staring at his own set of them on Ahch To is a pretty solid one, I think. But it would necessitate someone finding footage of him walking around in nature or whatever, compositing him into Skellig-Michel footage, getting the right shots to match between the crosscuts… It’s a lot. Maybe you could take the footage from “Silence” or something like that - but then you have the problem of everyone knowing the end of this Star Wars movie is kitbashed together from a Scorsese film? Pluses and minuses either way.