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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 157

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idir_hh said:

I wish they had stuck with Micheal writing all 3 films instead of opting for a rush job.

I wish they had kept Rian on for VIII and IX. By all means TLJ wasn’t a rush job and the final chapter could have used some cohesion.

JJ was on as the director,and a pretty capable one, but by no means should they have replaced an Oscar winning writer for him.

I mean, JJ was the one who decided on replacing him, and he brought in Lawrence Kasdan, who has 4 Oscar nominations. I don’t think on paper that’s unreasonable.

OutboundFlight said:

And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

So you wished they had gone back to Coruscant because… you wanted something original?

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Yeah but Iger could have easily vetoed that, he clearly doesn’t have the chops to write deep and complex stories like star wars. Rian would have certainly gone in a completely different direction if given all 3 films, pity.
What’s done is done I guess, let the past die an all that.

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DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

So you wished they had gone back to Coruscant because… you wanted something original?

I think most people wanted a break from the OT retread. Part of that originality includes acknowledging the PT’s existence, and if the First Order in charge of the galaxy, the only reason they wouldn’t be based on Coruscant is because Disney is afraid of breaking from the OT’s shadow.

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OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

So you wished they had gone back to Coruscant because… you wanted something original?

I think most people wanted a break from the OT retread. Part of that originality includes acknowledging the PT’s existence, and if the First Order in charge of the galaxy, the only reason they wouldn’t be based on Coruscant is because Disney is afraid of breaking from the OT’s shadow.

It seems like two separate gripes that you have that you’re conflating.

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DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

So you wished they had gone back to Coruscant because… you wanted something original?

I think most people wanted a break from the OT retread. Part of that originality includes acknowledging the PT’s existence, and if the First Order in charge of the galaxy, the only reason they wouldn’t be based on Coruscant is because Disney is afraid of breaking from the OT’s shadow.

It seems like two separate gripes that you have that you’re conflating.

It’s a bit different, but both derive from the common thread: the ST (or at least TFA and TROS) are obsessed with recreating the OT.

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OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

And Coruscant to tie into the PT. Why did they keep copping out? TFA I somewhat understand, but by TROS they knew fans wanted to see something more original.

So you wished they had gone back to Coruscant because… you wanted something original?

I think most people wanted a break from the OT retread. Part of that originality includes acknowledging the PT’s existence, and if the First Order in charge of the galaxy, the only reason they wouldn’t be based on Coruscant is because Disney is afraid of breaking from the OT’s shadow.

It seems like two separate gripes that you have that you’re conflating.

It’s a bit different, but both derive from the common thread: the ST (or at least TFA and TROS) are obsessed with recreating the OT.

I mean, I think TROS did a pretty good job in terms of new planets/environments. Only really Pasaana and Ajan Kloss could be considered ‘OT retreads’ or whatever (and even with Ajan Kloss we never spent that much time outside on Yavin IV).

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OutboundFlight said:

I don’t understand how every time the concept art is better than what we got.

This is just always going to be true, look at available concept art for any of your favorite movies and you’ll find content you wish was in the film, you can have anything on paper but in production things will be lost in translation.

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act on instinct said:

OutboundFlight said:

I don’t understand how every time the concept art is better than what we got.

This is just always going to be true, look at available concept art for any of your favorite movies and you’ll find content you wish was in the film, you can have anything on paper but in production things will be lost in translation.

That’s why I’m confused. It’s not like they don’t have good ideas. Why would they willingly abandon something so bold multiple times in favor of the same old same old?

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oojason said:

‘General Leia Organa is a revered figure amongst the Resistance. But early drafts for the sequel trilogy suggested that Carrie Fisher’s alter ego wasn’t beloved in all quarters. In a treatment outlined by Michael Arndt, it was revealed that Leia’s status as Darth Vader’s daughter sidelined her while the Rebellion tried to transition into building a new Republic.’
 

^ I think this would have been a welcome addition to what we saw on screen - especially for the lack of world-building and awareness on the ‘lay of the land’ / current state of the Galaxy in The Force Awakens… especially in regards to the plight of the Resistance, the New Republic, and also the status of the First Order itself.

^this is the whole premise of the book Bloodline by Claudia Gray . One of the few Disney books that I thoroughly enjoyed .
and this would have been awesome too…https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Scandal_of_Blood

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Watched a bit of TFA last night.

When I saw TRoS I noticed how much it gave the middle finger to TLJ that I didnt notice JJ gave the iggy to his own film.

TFA makes a HUGE point that the blue lightsabers is Reys. It calls her. She gets it when Kylo wants it.

But all of a sudden in TRoS its Leias to give to Rey when Rey ‘earns’ it.

I’m sure I’m not the first to notice this, but it’s just one more element in the last movie that is just wonky.

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They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

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Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that.

I don’t really buy that though, they wouldn’t need deleted footage to accomplish that, they could easily use a double (and probably did).

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OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

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yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

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OutboundFlight said:

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

Luke used that saber, as Rey did, but it really belonged to Anakin. TROS followed ROTJ’s example for who the last Jedi sees. Luke saw the figures important to him and Rey saw the ones important to her. The sabers have no relation to the people seen. Rey interred them in the only place associated with the Skywalker family.

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yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

Luke used that saber, as Rey did, but it really belonged to Anakin. TROS followed ROTJ’s example for who the last Jedi sees. Luke saw the figures important to him and Rey saw the ones important to her. The sabers have no relation to the people seen. Rey interred them in the only place associated with the Skywalker family.

I agree? From an in-universe perspective, it makes sense. But I don’t think the out of universe reason was in honor of Anakin either. It was all about Luke and Leia, else they would have made some kind of point towards it.

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You know what I really want? (Well besides Rey having no last name and being at peace with it) But they had the Han Solo scene, which is pretty good. But they scrapped the Chewbacca scene. When instead they should have combine both, and have Leia’s last act of magical power be a vision young Kylo with Luke, Han and herself, like one last look at a happier time or whatever. No need for too much digital trickery. I don’t know, a space cook-out or something. Why is it so hard for them to do what makes sense…

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Mocata said:

You know what I really want? (Well besides Rey having no last name and being at peace with it) But they had the Han Solo scene, which is pretty good. But they scrapped the Chewbacca scene. When instead they should have combine both, and have Leia’s last act of magical power be a vision young Kylo with Luke, Han and herself, like one last look at a happier time or whatever. No need for too much digital trickery. I don’t know, a space cook-out or something. Why is it so hard for them to do what makes sense…

A scene kinda like this?

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No I’m thinking a dialogue free dream or memory sequence. Maybe even something that mirrors Rey’s TFA vision. It can still lead into the Han reveal. A picture speaks a thousand words after all.

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NeverarGreat said:

Mocata said:

You know what I really want? (Well besides Rey having no last name and being at peace with it) But they had the Han Solo scene, which is pretty good. But they scrapped the Chewbacca scene. When instead they should have combine both, and have Leia’s last act of magical power be a vision young Kylo with Luke, Han and herself, like one last look at a happier time or whatever. No need for too much digital trickery. I don’t know, a space cook-out or something. Why is it so hard for them to do what makes sense…

A scene kinda like this?

That’s exactly what I thought of when I read that!

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Do we know how far this Chewie scene from the novelisation made it into production? It was obviously written to some extent, and there’s concept art for it, but unlike the cut Mustafar scenes I haven’t seen any indication they shot anything. Maybe they figured it’d be too many flashbacks in a movie which already has Rey flashback to her parents, Kylo and Rey see flashes of Exegol and flashbacks to TFA, a whole flashback sequence with Luke training Leia…

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That’s a very interesting thread, huge chunks of the film were cut as late as November! I pray that somehow it gets out there. I saw that someone was rescoring the original tracks but I think they were taken down? Has anyone access to them?

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It still hurts that we never got any deleted scenes.

After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.