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I liked TLJ in general but after watching that scene I felt…nothing, empty. It felt to me like luke was getting cheated, like he was written into a corner and and was forced to die by the writer, just when we thought he triumphantly returned…he dies because of the circumstances, his weakness. For me Obi-wan appearing in that moment to welcome his friend into the next life not only fills that emptiness for me but reassures not only him, but us too that it’s ok to let go even when you don’t have to, to ascend into a higher plane of existence and to let others carry on the baton.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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While I can see the merits (and emotional weight) of Obi-Wan welcoming Luke, I felt perfectly satisfied in theaters. Luke has done a 180, faced his demons, used all his force powers to save those he loves, and floats away into the Force he has cut himself off from for so long. Personally I don’t need it spelled out for me, it’s right there to be seen and felt.

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You are cough cough a bold one.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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poppasketti said:

smpearce1981 said:

What about adding one or two faint flame elements into the reflection? As if the shuttle is just passing the last pieces of flaming debris when the shot picks up?

Done! Added some subtle flame and sparks to the beginning of the shuttle shot so you see them pass through the last big bits of the explosion. I even used some material from the cut space Leia scene for some of these elements.

Shuttle Scene
https://vimeo.com/394579555
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With that, I think I’m pretty close to being locked on V3! If anyone sees any issues on the clips or workprint, please let me know, but I should be proceeding to final render encode pretty soon.

Poppa

I don’t know what you do for a living in the real world but what you do here is nothing short of astounding!

One more flame on Finn’s side of the cockpit a fraction later in the shot?

But if I’m pushing my luck…just know that I’m awe struck, regardless.

I genuinely cannot wait for the full fat version of V3. This one really is special.

Cheers, brother

Stu

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I’m ready for V3. Really awesome!

heil Palpatine!

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Ha! Glad it’s working!

Stu, I think I want to avoid overdoing it so that by the time it cuts inside the cockpit everything’s calmed down. Adding another flame to Finn’s side (there are already a good deal of sparks) would feel like too much as it transitions to the interior shots. I want it to feel like they just emerged from the last bit of the craziness, and there’s only a few scattered particles left. Thanks for the ideas, though!

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On the shuttle scene, the music feels odd to me. Right as it cuts to the shuttle there’s a sting which is a pretty clear signal for a scene change, but it of course continues with Rose and Finn. I wonder if it might be better to remove that last three note segue and blend in the shuttle music instead. This would be a musical indication that we will be continuing with the scene.

Of course it sounds pretty good in any case!

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poppasketti said:

Ha! Glad it’s working!

Stu, I think I want to avoid overdoing it so that by the time it cuts inside the cockpit everything’s calmed down. Adding another flame to Finn’s side (there are already a good deal of sparks) would feel like too much as it transitions to the interior shots. I want it to feel like they just emerged from the last bit of the craziness, and there’s only a few scattered particles left. Thanks for the ideas, though!

Roger, roger boss! 😃

I hear you loud and clear…and it all looks great as it is.

It’s come on such a long way, in such a short period of time.

Infact, V3 as a whole is such a huge step up from V2.

Obviously the core of it still remains, but all the subtle refinements to so many of the little details really make this an overall more polished product.

Plus the various TROS foreshadowing really is the icing on the cake!

Do you think once V3 is rendered and locked that will be it for this project?

I’d obviously love to see more…and more…and more but Im not sure what else you can do to improve it from here?

(Although i did have another tiny idea…but it’s such a minor detail and would be so un-noticeable to 99.9% of viewers that it’s not really worth proposing)

This really is an amazing project so I’d like to thank you for all of your hard work and for sharing it with us.

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smpearce1981 said:

I’d obviously love to see more…and more…and more but Im not sure what else you can do to improve it from here?

The second rule of fanedit club:
if you make it to v5 of a release don’t become George Lucas in his basement looking for more space to add another Vader nooooooo.

heil Palpatine!

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NeverarGreat said:

On the shuttle scene, the music feels odd to me. Right as it cuts to the shuttle there’s a sting which is a pretty clear signal for a scene change, but it of course continues with Rose and Finn. I wonder if it might be better to remove that last three note segue and blend in the shuttle music instead. This would be a musical indication that we will be continuing with the scene.

Of course it sounds pretty good in any case!

I also noticed the same thing. Visually I don’t think it needs anymore work, but maybe the music could be played with a little more.

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Now about the music cue with the shuttle … I totally get what people are saying. I think the music cue/timing should almost be a swap with how things transition with “Rose and Finn Scene” and “Dead Snoke Scene.” Essentially, the music cue that is a soft transition goes to Rose/Finn and the “sharp” cut should go to the Dead Snoke part of the scene. Basically a swap that fits more naturally with what’s going on.

I know I am terrible at writing … but does that make any sense?

Otherwise, as I’ve said before Poppa it is AMAZING what you are accomplishing. Just, amazing.

If the music stuff can’t be done well, it still works as is.

This edit is so much better than what we’ve scene in theaters. Seriously.

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That all makes sense, but there’s limited options because it’s a short scene and we can’t separate the music from the dialogue. The “sharp transition” as jarbear put it is in a different key than the “soft” transition.

Still, I’ve tried a couple of options. The first is the same cues, but adding sound effects during the transition to ease it a bit. The Alt removes the three declarative notes (and adds sound fx) to change the transition.

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Shuttle Scene
https://vimeo.com/394579555

Shuttle Scene Alt
https://vimeo.com/396090420

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smpearce1981 said:
Do you think once V3 is rendered and locked that will be it for this project?

(Although i did have another tiny idea…but it’s such a minor detail and would be so un-noticeable to 99.9% of viewers that it’s not really worth proposing)

What’s your tiny idea?!

I think it was inevitable to do another version after TROS came out, and now that the saga is finished, I hope for V3 to be more or less the final. However, there have been incremental updates to both V1 and V2 to make general fixes (like sound mix and encoding issues), and I expect that might happen here too.

I also intend to update V2 with the recent non-Palpatine changes after V3 is complete. I’m not sure how to brand it so that it’s not confusing. Maybe they should both be V3: V3 Legacy and V3 Palpatine?

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First one is amazing! Definitely the most seamless addition of the deleted scene yet.

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The first one for sure, I think that did it! Good work!

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Ok…you asked!?

But first a disclaimer.

The shot doesn’t need it. Even if you do humour me, NOONE will notice due to the composition of the shot, the audiences attention/site line is inherently drawn to the centre of said shot…

But

Going back to the Finn shoot down sequence on Crait.

Just before we start getting the close up shots, we get a wide aerial shot of Finn’s speeder attempting to get ‘up stream’ in the Battering Ram canon beam.

At the top of the shot you have the AT-AT’s?

I thought it might be fun to animate the AT-At to the right of the canon and have it’s ‘head’ start to turn in to the left (it’s right) as if it’s notices Finn’s trajectory and so starts to look/position itself in order to be able to take aim at Finn as he approaches…setting up the shootdown? 😬

It’s so minor that really it’s just detail for details sake and as i mentioned above, its likely just overkill as the effort involved probably isnt worth the time, considering its such a tiny detail.

99 percent of people genuinely wont notice it anyway due to the primary action of the shot occurring centre frame and because the size of the ATAT in the shot is so relatively small?

But…i thought it was a fun thing to add, and considering some of the other stuff you’ve pulled off on this project I figured it was at least within your capabilities 😀

Fell free to laugh the suggestion off…but at least its out there for you in case it does interest you?

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^^^ Hahah, if one could do it, perfectly though, it would be funny the “old” AT-AT does shoots down Finn’s speeder when the “brand new ones” can’t do it.

However, that would require a lot of work to make it match the scene and quality … which would probably not be worth it.

I’d love the “funny-ness” about it, but it would probably be way too much work to make it look perfect. Poppa has done AMAZING stuff, but that would take up way too much time and resources to do properly.

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jarbear said:

^^^ Hahah, if one could do it, perfectly though, it would be funny the “old” AT-AT does shoots down Finn’s speeder when the “brand new ones” can’t do it.

But doesn’t one of the new AT-ATs shoot down Finn in Poppa’s version? If you animated one of the old AT-ATs, then had one of the new ones make the shot, it would cause a continuity error.

I personally don’t think the idea is necessary. It seems like way too much work for almost nothing. Finn’s crash comes out of nowhere in the theatrical version too, so it’s not a big deal for me.

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StarkillerAG said:

jarbear said:

^^^ Hahah, if one could do it, perfectly though, it would be funny the “old” AT-AT does shoots down Finn’s speeder when the “brand new ones” can’t do it.

But doesn’t one of the new AT-ATs shoot down Finn in Poppa’s version? If you animated one of the old AT-ATs, then had one of the new ones make the shot, it would cause a continuity error.

I personally don’t think the idea is necessary. It seems like way too much work for almost nothing. Finn’s crash comes out of nowhere in the theatrical version too, so it’s not a big deal for me.

I called it an ATAT out of laziness/speed. To clarify, I am talking about the/a ‘Gorilla’ walker.

Sorry not to be specific enough, I appreciate it’s confusing since there are actual ATAT’s in the scene 😃

I’ll put up a screenshot shortly just to clarify the shot and walker I’m talking about.

Anyhow, I agree that it IS ultimately unnecessary. As I said it’s just detail for details sake and is such a small detail its probably just not worth the effort on this occasion.

My only counter point to the ‘it’s supposed to be a surprise/come out of nowhere’ argument, raised by Jarbear is this:-

It still would be?..because no first time viewer is looking for it in that moment.

All bets are off in subsequent viewings because the surprise element is only a surprise the first time?

After that, the ongoing reward for a viewer is in appreciating the details, the set up?

As above, the walkers are small In the frame and the primary action which draws the audience eyes is happening elsewhere so im not proposing that the moment is accentuated, telegraphed or highlighted in any way…only that it’s there for anyone purposely looking for it?

The thought process/guiding light behind most of my suggestions and offerings of ideas is that although mostly unnecessary in the wider, more general sense, it‘s just extra layers of detail that could be added to help further sell the ‘re-imagining’ of such a sequence?

What I’m saying is that the most successful fan edit’s are the ones that treat their changes as not a just fan service, corrections, or alterations to fit in with the personal preferences of the editor, but in comprehensively approaching any changes as if they were always supposed to be the way that they are now being presented or re-imagined?

Poppa’s TLJ is one of (if not THE best of) those examples?

In my opinion, Poppa has approached each change as its own story that has a beginning, middle and end and has applied the appropriate and associated logic from their very roots and as such the changes are seamlessly integrated, so my suggestion here is just another small detail in that theme…in the same way I suggested changing the targeting graphic to match the angle of approach and another member suggested the placement of the actual target on that graphic.

DETAILS. Small. Insignificant when viewed on their own, but when combined they all contribute to delivering a vision and a narrative that rivals or even exceeds the quality of the source material?

I think of it like this:

If this had been a studio release, would fans scrutinise the sequence and cry out that it’s some sort of a continuity error?

Maybe. Probably. At least knowing how passionate the SW fanbase is about EVERYTHING.

I can imagine it now:-

The potential complaints about how the At-At wasn’t sighted at Finn’s speeder in this shot and because of that, it subsequently wouldn’t have had sufficient time to shift it’s inertia to take aim between shots…IT’S A PLOT HOLE, RIAN JOHNSON HAS RUINED STARWARS!

(‘you KNOW it to be true’?)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that here, it’s just an example and it’s is small potatoes but if the fanbase could/would pick things apart to that level of detail then for fan edits/changes to blend in seamlessly they should probably be subject to similar scrutiny?

Let me be clear, im not arguing the necessity of this change to be made.

Im actually commending EVERYTHING Poppa has done on this edit and the very reason it’s so strong and so special is exactly because all of his changes have had that level of care taken.

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Alright, Stu, I gave it a shot!

Crait Battle (walker adjusts at 1:03)
https://vimeo.com/289775362
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Even though it’s small in the frame, I can’t make many big adjustments to this, so it’s kind of a take it or leave it deal! It took quite a bit of motion tracking and rotoscoping to get it to this point. I used the motion from the closeup where the walker adjusts to target Luke.

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It’s very good! Subtle but it works.

Though, while we’re on small tweaks, I did think of two possible improvements to the following moments.

The first is the shot where the AT-AT fires on Finn. The head should really be tilted down and to the right, since he’s so close to the cannon at that point. Of course it would be impossible to significantly change the position of the head, but perhaps it would be possible to warp/adjust the position of the body to appear as if it were filmed more from the side and level with the ground. There might be a shot of a walker from this angle which is useable for this purpose.

The other is that when Finn’s speeder is hit by the blast, there’s an explosion sound effect on the shot of Finn in the cockpit where he reacts, then there’s the wide shot of the speeder being forced away from the cannon, presumably by this blast. However, it happens so fast that there’s really not enough time to register the explosion before it’s over. My suggestion would be, if at all possible, to add a blaster/shrapnel explosion behind Finn’s speeder in that shot where Rose’s speeder would have been. Perhaps it was the crumpled gun of the speeder blowing up or something else, but there should be something which has the force to divert Finn’s speeder like it does.

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