So I did some playing tonight, and here’s a new attempt at removing the rebel ring from the ending! Essentially, it required extending to shots around it to avoid messing with the music cues.
https://vimeo.com/393368723
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Absolutely seamless, great work! You should definitely add this to the final version.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
Great! Think I might do!
Here’s a couple of options for the Wilhelm Scream. One is only slightly different from Hal’s, but I wanted something a bit lower in the mix.
Wilhelm Option A
https://vimeo.com/393498424
Wilhelm Option B
https://vimeo.com/393498450
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they are both well done but I vote for b) more subtle.
heil Palpatine!
I love the new ending! As for the wilhelm scream, my vote is for B, mostly because A is much more of an intense and serious moment for the characters.
A for me, has a nice classic quirky vibe to it.
Peace is a lie
There is only passion…
Yeah, I think I’m leaning B as well (though I appreciate the thought, idir_hh). I agree with Jar Jar Bricks; the hanger is such a tense and even scary moment, I don’t want to take away from the drama.
Alrighty so just some replies to your answers here:
14:25 Maybe it just feels like the music is coming in too soon after the main theme and fades out with luke too soon for it too be natural. Maybe try having it swell back in as Rey is moving on to the next scene rather than on her close up? Maybe that might fix the unnatural feeling I get.
54:23 ok huh yeah its weird, maybe its just emphasized because of the small cut, I think cutting that line will make it feel more natural.
1:55:22 Ok awesome! I’ll love to check it out.
1:56:09 alright thats fair, I cant expect you to be a magician lol, thanks for the camera shake though. even just a green light in the corner would do a world of help though.
2:11:38 Fantastic! thanks.
2:11:41 hahaha yeah no problem! Thought it looked strange from your palp cut segments.
2:13:49 Yeah Im sure you know what you’re doing. Even if it means slowing down the establishing shot where he pulls the broom to him or something, I think it would be worth it. Cause I would hate for the first thing someone says after watching it to be “wait whats that ring from? Why is that important?”.
Yeah I understand where you are coming from. I guess if I want to make my perfect cut then Ill have to get back into editing 😉. No problem regardless, Happy to help! I’m just frankly honored to have so much say in this process.
P.S. Option B for Wilhem feels more natural and appropriate and The ring-less scene looks great! no more random jewelry! lol
This is the way.
Haven’t had a chance to check your work print, but i am eager to soon.
Anyway, love the removal of the rebel insignia ring. Nicely done.
As for the scream, I’m leaning more towards B myself.
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Option B for the inclusion of the Wilhelm is nothing short of MASTERFUL. I Love it!!! 😃
Re: the removal of the insignia ring:- For me personally, the ring was never something that bothered me one way or another. I can see the logic for it’s removal, especially considering the much needed reduction of the Canto-bight sequence, so calling back to it when we never saw Rose give it, makes the shot completely redundant.
Overall the solution works, but I do think the close up of Broom Boy just lingers too long?
I know why, to compensate for the removal of the ring shot whilst preserving the timing of the score.
As I’ve said above, as an imperfect solution to an impossible problem, it DOES work…I’m just not sure it works better than simply leaving it alone?
Ultimately, I have such a low investment in the presence or absence of this shot, whatever Poppa decides to do with it makes no odds to me…and I mean that with full compliments to Poppa’s work on this project.
It’s so completely the definitive version of TLJ for me, that it would take a lot more than this shot to deviate me from my love for what he has done.
Re: the removal of the insignia ring:- For me personally, the ring was never something that bothered me one way or another.
The original scene with the ring worked fine even with the edit that completely removed the earlier broom boy scene. The context is very clear. In ESB I didn’t take one look at Yoda’s walking stick and think omg where the hell did that come from. Same with the ring. That said, the edit without the ring is pretty flawless, but I see your point that it lingers on his face too long now.
heil Palpatine!
Vote +1 for Option B.
1:56:09 alright thats fair, I cant expect you to be a magician lol, thanks for the camera shake though. even just a green light in the corner would do a world of help though.
Okay, so I went back and added some lights, and an overall red push to match the red look of the walker cockpits:
Crait Battle (targeting shot at 1:10)
https://vimeo.com/289775362
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Also adjusted the end shot to shorten the boy’s last closeup a bit:
Ending - No Rebel Ring
https://vimeo.com/393368723
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NOTE: I’m probably going to render a new V3 workprint tonight with the latest changes for those interested. Should be up tomorrow in the same location!
1:56:09 alright thats fair, I cant expect you to be a magician lol, thanks for the camera shake though. even just a green light in the corner would do a world of help though.
Okay, so I went back and added some lights, and an overall red push to match the red look of the walker cockpits:
Crait Battle (targeting shot at 1:10)
https://vimeo.com/289775362
pw: faneditAlso adjusted the end shot to shorten the boy’s last closeup a bit:
Ending - No Rebel Ring
https://vimeo.com/393368723
pw: faneditNOTE: I’m probably going to render a new V3 workprint tonight with the latest changes for those interested. Should be up tomorrow in the same location!
Hi Poppa
RE: Broomboy, it’s definitely getting there, but I know that there is only so much you can do
I think I’m still in the ‘leave it as per the original’ camp overall.
My reason being that because the shot has to hold so long to play to the original music cues, that the audience is unconsciously expecting something to happen. The pacing screams ‘suspense’ to what is ultimately a non-suspenseful payoff? Emotional and/or rousing? Yes. Suspenseful? No (?)
Anyhow
With regard to the targeting computer, I’ve been thinking about that since you’ve come to revisit it.
I adore what you’ve done to this sequence with the Finn shoot down, and adding that repeated shot was/is such an inventive way of visually depicting the new action.
It’s such a perfect idea and a really creative workaround for the limitations of the source material.
BUT if you are going to tinker with it, here is my suggestion for working your magic.
The shot as is, is clearly a repeat shot. Your work to differentiate it here is a step in the right direction, but if you want a critical eye (?) the ‘problem’ with re-using the shot is that the visuals depict the speeder being targeted from behind, where as I’ve always perceived that the shot coming from the Front Right? (wow, it’s like JFK…‘back and to the left’)
I just did a bit of playing in Photoshop, just to see what reversing the shot would do, but it doesn’t do anything positive because it still shows the rear end of the speeder.
So, here’s the bit that I hate doing…making suggestions to someone more talented than me to do something I could never do…but my thoughts are this:-
I’ve googled the Ski Speeder for images, and there are plenty from the front. Especially the toys, which are obviously lower in detail than the actual CG models, which might actually be quite useful considering the low res displays on SW the HUD’s of vehicles in the SW universe.
How hard would it be to convert a 2d image/photo of a toy from the correct angle and make an 8bit B&W image out if it, and then make a crude animation over the top of a blank plate of the targeting display?
I’m going to play with the making the image, but the animation and compositing is too far beyond me…but I would argue probably not beyond you?
The real question is, does that idea interest you and/or is the work even worth it for the sake of a single shot…especially when what you have already is totally adequate.
Just a thought though, which I’ve only brought to the table because you are clearly playing with the shot anyway?
Much gratitude and respect
Stu
Update: 20 mins image sourcing and playing in photoshop so I can at least offer a ‘proof of concept’, I’ve come up with this. It’s far from perfect, but it’s a start?
As per above I’ve done a little bit more to try and hone in on matching the style of the source material.
I’m using this perspective based on the AT-AT being to the elevated right of the Battering Ram canon…which is where I feel the shot most likely came from…considering the inertia of the blast impact knocked the speeder out to the left?
Anyhow, it’s still not there yet…but:-
Here’s the comparison:-
I think I’ve got the silhouette right, but I need to work on the contrast between light and dark to roughen it up a bit
…if the idea does go any further obviously the devil in in the details and so then it might be worth incorporating the damage to the gun turrets and the mono-skate, but that’s an easy fix.
Alrighty! I delayed the render of a second workprint and took a look at smpearce1981’s proof of concept, which does look good so I grabbed it! I wasn’t sure how long it would take me to blank out the target indicators, but I ended up able to recreate it and put the ship in a bit of motion (stuttery and lowres to match the original look). Take a look!
Crait Battle (targeting shot at 1:10)
https://vimeo.com/289775362
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As for the ending, I think I’m actually leaning towards the version without the rebel ring. It has so little context in the sequel movies that I think it takes away from the children playing with Luke Skywalker toys and drawing inspiration. It’s one of the first comments I received back in V1 of Rekindled, but I had no real solution for it. I could shorten the child’s closeup a few more frames and lengthen the last shot, but I hope I’m close to the best balance possible. I would definitely be interested in everyone’s thoughts; yes to removing the rebel ring or keeping it?
Wow this new targeting VFX shot is nice. It’s things like this that are really icing on the cake. For me I don’t care one way or the other about the Palpatine set ups but things like this really make me want to upgrade to the final release of V3. Thanks smpearce and poppasketti.
heil Palpatine!
Poppa, I am so unbelievably flattered! Thankyou!
It looks great!
Im truly honoured to have been able to make even a small contribution to your work!
Thankyou for even entertaining the idea! Let alone implementing it.
The new targeting shot looks really good! I feel like you could use it as is, but I could see how a little additional touching up could make it feel just perfect. Excellent work Poppa!
Removing the ring from the broom boy scene works really well! I was literally thinking about this for the epilogue idea I had, and how one could create an additional shot of his face could be used to replace that shot. So weird to see that you’ve done that exact thing!
Hi Poppa
Re: Broom boy and the ring. Go with your instincts on what works best for you.
The truth is, You’ll never please everyone so if it’s going to be a split vote, your own preference should be what decides it.
I just rewatched it…and it does get better with subsequent views, but i just had a thought (which in all honesty probably wont work)
Have you toyed with reordering the shots at all.
Currently it’s:-
I just wondered if
The truth is that holding the close up/slow zoom for that entirety over one shot will probably be too much.
But the idea behind the suggestion is this:-
The lingering close up is broom boy watching the ship. So we switch to his pov just as it jumps to HS
but rather than falling back to him watching ‘empty space’ he is more immediately roused into wanting to be a hero?
I don’t know, without seeing it it’s impossible to tell if there’s anything to it.
Another suggestion is to keep the order of shots the same but rather than hold so long on the Second close up of broom boy, instead slow the shot of the ship for as long as possible until it jumps?
As if it’s in a nice slow steady cruise and then BOOM (original timing resumes)
As above, there might not be enough material to work with and even if there is, there might be limits to how slow you can make it before it just looks overly manipulated and hence draws too much attention to itself?
But, Im just throwing some ideas out there to see if there’s any other way to balance out the removal of the ring whilst still using the same overall timings?
Hey Poppasketti! loving how the two edits are coming! Fantastic work I love em both. Definitely no ring from me obviously.
One question though, it seams Rose lost her “no” line…was that intentional, cause right now she is just mouthing the word and looks a bit strange. Does it have to do with the louder line?
Anyway nice job.
This is the way.
No ring pleaseeee
The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.
I’ve already said it before, but I guess I’ll say it again: keep the no ring shot please.
Could I have a PM as well? This looks to be pretty interesting…
“Star Wars has, and will always be a restaurant.”
I think regardless of whether we need to push it further and tweak a little more, the ending will not have the rebel ring!
smpearce1981, thanks for pushing me on the idea and bringing the proof of concept with the speeder to get it all to work. I will probably tweak the movement of the ship a little more, but otherwise I think it’s close!
As for your suggestions for the ending, I’ve tried rearranging the shots in different ways, including the way you suggested, but I can say confidently that it wont’t work. For one, it feels like a jump-cut to go from the hyperspace shot to the wide of the boy. More importantly, the music cue when ship streaks across the stars is inextricably linked to the shot. It’s so perfectly executed by John Williams that breaking them apart feels wrong. That leaves the few seconds as the music is swelling, where we really only have two shots to work with: the 2nd closeup of the boy and the end shot. We can play with lengthening one and shortening the other, but that’s about the extent of it. Still, thanks for the suggestion!
Axios said:
One question though, it seams Rose lost her “no” line…was that intentional, cause right now she is just mouthing the word and looks a bit strange. Does it have to do with the louder line?
That’s a mistake, thanks for catching! I’ll recheck the sequence tomorrow.