Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 26

Also, from what I recall the interaction between Hux and Pryde on Mustafar was filmed, so if we get that whole conversation and Pryde mentions the transmission, it does add more variables to play with.

There’s just a lot to speculate on that might prove meaningless depending on which deleted scenes, if any, we’ll actually get.

I’m kinda worried that they might not include the sequence at all if what they filmed contradicts the final edit, and they’re changing how it’s described in the novel to fit the film.

Note also this line from the Oracle:

“You’ve been seeking it for a while, yes? I must warn you, our fiery planet burns away deception. If you proceed down this path, you will encounter your true self.”

Which seemingly sets up Kylo Ren having visions upon reaching the Wayfinder (as in the original cut), but he doesn’t receive those visions here.

I’ve been prepared for awhile for there to be no deleted scenes to speak of. At the moment, it unfortunately seems more likely.

I’m not suggesting any sort of scandal, and obviously JJ cut whatever is bullshit. But obviously quite a bit was indeed changed in post production, and quite a bit of reshoots we’re done. That’s just a fact.

If JediPaxis’ leaked plot descriptions are anything to go off of, I think when Kylo/FO and the Resistance find out Palpatine is alive did change somewhat.

I don’t think Kylo didn’t exactly know what he would find in the Unknown Regions originally. Apparently the info Poe and Finn get from the spy is that Kylo is searching for something in the Unknown Regions, not that Palpatine is alive and has a fleet of warships laying in wait. Leia has a contact that might have a lead regarding the Unknown Regions, and she sends them to Pasana.

It is possible this was not accurate, but I can totally see them deciding to make it clear from the beginning that Palpatine is back in order to make the goals of the characters clearer, and to raise the stakes for the Resistance early on.

I don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theories, but I can totally see the function of the Oracle becoming redundant or contradictory if Act I was restructured a bit. I think Pablo even mentioned on his twitter that Act I received the most changes during reshoots.

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

I’m not suggesting any sort of scandal, and obviously JJ cut whatever is bullshit. But obviously quite a bit was indeed changed in post production, and quite a bit of reshoots we’re done. That’s just a fact.

Okay, my mistake. I thought you were one of those people. Although I’m still pretty certain that the deleted scenes will be released. It doesn’t matter if they contradict the movie: the prequels and TLJ had many deleted scenes that were replaced in reshoots, and they still got released. If the TFA Blu-ray is anything to go by, the deleted scenes probably won’t be substantial, but there will be some stuff (like the Eye of Webbish Bog scene) for fan editors to work with. I just hope there aren’t any time codes.

That’s not really true though. TLJ’s reshoots were pretty minimal and none of the deleted scenes were “replaced” as such (besides the alternate opening). There are still quite a few deleted scenes from the PT that haven’t been released, a few of them are scenes that were reshot. And TFA’s scenes are minimal, partially because a lot of what wasn’t included were moments that didn’t fit the story as restructured/reshot in the edit.

StarkillerAG said:

RogueLeader said:

If JediPaxis’ leaked plot descriptions are anything to go off of, I think when Kylo/FO and the Resistance find out Palpatine is alive did change somewhat.

I don’t think Kylo didn’t exactly know what he would find in the Unknown Regions originally. Apparently the info Poe and Finn get from the spy is that Kylo is searching for something in the Unknown Regions, not that Palpatine is alive and has a fleet of warships laying in wait. Leia has a contact that might have a lead regarding the Unknown Regions, and she sends them to Pasana.

It is possible this was not accurate, but I can totally see them deciding to make it clear from the beginning that Palpatine is back in order to make the goals of the characters clearer, and to raise the stakes for the Resistance early on.

I don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theories, but I can totally see the function of the Oracle becoming redundant or contradictory if Act I was restructured a bit. I think Pablo even mentioned on his twitter that Act I received the most changes during reshoots.

Okay, that does make sense. I assumed that the “reshoots” in JediPaxis’ plot summary were just the leakers receiving more accurate info, but it would make sense if Palpatine wasn’t revealed until the end of the first act. Which just makes me want the deleted scenes more, so a fan edit can partially revert the movie to an earlier version, like Hal did in his edit of ROTS.

You’re right, when I went back and read them I had to be careful about what was information that was changed due to story changes/reshoots, and what was simply things that were clarified to him rather than actual story changes. He typically would elaborate a little if things were rewrite related, which he does somewhat for this plot point.

His leaks occasionally are light on details, but you can’t always assume the omission of those details and later elaboration means those were reshoot changes.

I’ll be thankful once we actually have the film in the deleted scenes are in our hands, so we know what we actually have to work with. But knowing how it was originally mapped out might give us a better idea for how the film was originally paced, and the steps editors can take if they wanted to also slow the pace down or recreate a similar structure from earlier cuts of the film.

Even beyond an editing perspective, I find the whole development process really interesting. The leaked shooting script(?) for TFA was also rather interesting since it hinted at an alternate opening, more flashbacks, the Resistance Warhammer/Sledgehammer ship, etc.
I was honestly expecting them to reimplement Leia’s lines regarding the Warhammer for a ship that might’ve played a role in the final battle, but it possible it was never shot anyway.

Maybe we will get more insight regarding changes in the commentary, since Abrams touched on reshoot changes somewhat in the TFA commentary.

So a lot of people have pointed out how there’s no reason for Rey to go back to Tatooine, a place she’s never been where Luke always wanted to leave and Leia was a sex slave, and bury Luke and Leia’s lightsabers. What if instead she went to Jakku and visited the graves of her parents? The scene plays out with much of the same footage, but cutting out the homestead and lightsaber burial.

It might make more sense if she was meeting somewhere there… wink wink nudge nudge

That isn’t a bad idea though! There’s definitely logic to that.

It is sort of random, but I would like to digitally insert desert flowers somewhere into the Tatooine sequence…

To represent new life?

Hahaha, that will be the closing title card.

I’ve said this before but I think a theme for Episode IX that you could run with is this idea of “healing wounds” whether it be physical or metaphorical. Mustafar is shown to be healing, apparently. So seeing flowers grow on Tatooine might play into that idea that the world will heal and grow now that this great evil has been destroyed and some kind of balance has been found.

We also see a wilted flower in Rey’s home at the beginning of her journey, so it would be a nice parallel to see a blooming flower in her “new home” at the end, even though I don’t think Rey will be staying there.

There were shrubs and house plants around the homestead in IV and II, but you don’t see anything like that in IX.

That’s really bizarre. Usually any movie’s home release has deleted scenes.