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Oh man, don’t get my hopes up. That’d be such an interesting scene, but honestly, considering how the rest of the film went, my gut is that scene never got past the scripting stage because… how do I want to say this… it’d be too hard for this creative team to get it right so they probably didn’t even try?

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I’ve heard people mention Joonas hinting a scene that got cut, and this would fit the bill (of course it could be something else). The fact that they built the set makes me believe it was filmed.

If I were to play deleted scene bingo, I would say we are more likely to get this scene than the Oracle scene. I feel like this scene would contradict the narrative of the final film less than the Oracle scene likely did. Trying not to get my hopes up either, considering none of the deleted scenes we’ve ever gotten have been that amazing, and these both sound great.

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Thanks Idir!! I was wondering where that photo came from.

The Exegol set looks quiet different without it being so blue. I would love to see someone that has a knack with color grading do something more interesting color-wise with Exegol.

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RogueLeader said:

Stumbled across an interesting find today. Someone tweeted two photos today related to TROS. One photo is of JJ on a set from production that seems to have been cut from the final film, and the second photo is a piece of concept art similar to that set depicting a scene where Kylo interrogates a captive Chewbacca. The similarities between the set and the room seem to indicate that a scene between Kylo and Chewbacca was actually filmed. Hopefully if this is true, we’ll get this deleted scene on the home release.

That set actually was in the movie though, in the scene where Finn and Poe rescue Chewie. The Twitter account you got that from is one of the #ReleaseTheJJCut people, so you probably shouldn’t trust them.

On the topic of deleted scenes, I really hope the Oracle scene gets released on home video. It sounds like one of the best scenes from the movie, if it hadn’t been cut. This really weird creature called the Oracle, which lives on Mustafar, calls Kylo out on his feelings for Rey. The concept art book had a screenshot from the scene, and it looks finished enough to place into a fan edit seamlessly. I just hope it doesn’t have a time-code.

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RogueLeader said:

Thanks Idir!! I was wondering where that photo came from.

The Exegol set looks quiet different without it being so blue. I would love to see someone that has a knack with color grading do something more interesting color-wise with Exegol.

I prefer the neutral lighting of the sets to the grading in the film almost without exception. They look almost like real places before the unnatural colors are applied.

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Yeah, one of my big complaints with the movie is how processed and unnatural it looks. Hopefully a regrade can fix that.

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I had the same complaint about the takodana sequence in TFA.

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Just wanted to share some more ideas on an extended epilogue for the film.

I’ve mentioned this before, but I think it would be cool to get a brief epilogue that shows what the main characters are up to after their celebration at the Resistance base. I think having three brief sequences (including Tatooine) would be fitting.

I’ve thrown out some more ambitious ideas before but I’m going to try to suggest something a little simpler. I think they are doable because members on here have already done similar shots, one way or another.

The first sequence would pan down like ANH to a lush green world, antithetical to Tatooine. The Falcon flies overhead. We cut to the surface and see Chewbacca looking at a hut in the trees as we hear Wookiee roars in the distance. This is Kashyyyk, and Chewie has family come home. (This would likely be one of the more difficult shots to make, but I think the best option would be to get some high quality plates from the Kashyyyk map from Battlefront 2) Coming home after a war is a pretty standard trope for war movies, and if anyone deserves to go home after decades of fighting it is Chewie. Since Han, Leia and Luke have all passed away, I think it would be nice to see Chewie go home and have a happily ever after. Then we could get a shot of the Falcon flying away from Kashyyyk, similar to this shot by Petrovelly. This would probably be one of the harder sequences to make it feel seamless, but I think it would be a fitting way to end Chewie’s story.

Then we wipe to a shot of the Tantive IV flying toward Coruscant. If the previous sequence repeats the opening of ANH, we won’t repeat it here. Instead, we could repeat the opening shot from TPM. The Tantive IV could fly toward Coruscant and we could PAN LEFT following it to the planet. Again, Petrovelly has made a nice shot using a Tantive IV model, and we could implement something similar. We cut to inside the ship, and get a shot of Poe and Finn sitting inside. We could mask them out of different shots from the movies and place them here, similar to what snooker has done before in this test shot she did of Leia for a ROTJ edit she was working on back in 2018. (Hope you don’t mind me resharing it, snooker!)

This technique could also be used for Chewie on Kashyyyk. As for the Finn and Poe scene, the idea is rather simple, but it could imply they are going to Coruscant to start helping reestablish the Republic, and right the wrongs of the First Order. I originally had an idea of a shot also including a First Order Star Destroyer, but I can’t find any good models online for a resurgent. At least we know there are decent models of the Falcon and the Tantive IV. If the scene was too vague, maybe some comm voice over could be added to the cockpit to infer some kind of conclusion to the political story. Maybe the First Order has surrendered on order of the Supreme Leader, something like that.

I also had an idea of having R2 and 3PO be with Rey at the end on Tatooine, but if that proved to be too difficult, having them be on roaming the corridor of the Tantive IV might be a good place for their story to end as well, back where they started. You could even have a similar line where 3PO could mention that this place looks familiar, if you could find a line that fits with that idea. You could either reuse footage from the end of ROTS or from ANH, or insert TROS R2 and 3PO into Tantive IV corridor shots.

Then, of course, you end with a version of the Tatooine scene. I suppose this is still rather ambitious, but the techniques needed to create all of these shots have already been done before my members on this forum, so I think it is doable.

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RogueLeader said:

Thanks Idir!! I was wondering where that photo came from.

The Exegol set looks quiet different without it being so blue. I would love to see someone that has a knack with color grading do something more interesting color-wise with Exegol.

I prefer the neutral lighting of the sets to the grading in the film almost without exception. They look almost like real places before the unnatural colors are applied.

Do you think it would be possible to color correct at all? It just seems to blue to do that…

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Unless you’re talking about Lady Proxima’s lair, it should be doable. I managed to salvage some color from the CoD paletted David Yates Harry Potter films, after all. Of course, the result is not perfect, but it’s certainly an improvement.

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God, I hope so.

Thinking more on how to end the political situation, I really do feel that if you make an edit where Ben Solo lives, you have to find a way to imply reunification between the First Order and the Resistance into a new, New Republic, or whatever. The First Order should see Ben Solo as Supreme Leader regardless if he has turned to the light, unless their entire leadership revolts. Sure, General Pryde takes over at least one Resurgent and the Sith Fleet at the end, but there is no indication that he now controls the entire First Order.

If Ben Solo lives, I think it is logical that he would use his authority to make the First Order surrender. I’ve mentioned this several times, I think this idea of “healing wounds” could be seen as a central theme of Episode IX, so healing the wound of Republic by uniting the two sides feels like a natural progression of that idea.

So the first idea that pops into my mind is that you could alter the Star Destroyer montage at the end so that the ships are leaving the occupied worlds rather than crashing down. And we don’t really see what is causing these ships to crash (we see one ship is kamikazed, but that’s it). So you could keep that same montage, but have the ships fly away and have some kind of VO of a First Order officer saying that they have orders to surrender straight from the Supreme Leader himself.

I mentioned earlier the idea about having the Tantive IV fly to Coruscant in the epilogue. Maybe we could see Star Destroyer’s in orbit of Coruscant, but now they could have blue stripes and the New Republic insignia on their hulls, similar to the Venators in the Clone Wars. Now, I do think you can make the argument that the Imperial/First Order iconography needs to be purged if the war is over, but I do think their needs to be some kind of visual symbolism of synthesis, or the integration of the shadow. I feel emphasizing this kind of conclusion would differentiate the conclusion of this trilogy from the ending of ROTJ, where they just blow the enemy up. This war could end peacefully, and Ben Solo, if he is alive, could do that.

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RogueLeader said:

I’ve heard people mention Joonas hinting a scene that got cut, and this would fit the bill (of course it could be something else). The fact that they built the set makes me believe it was filmed.

If I were to play deleted scene bingo, I would say we are more likely to get this scene than the Oracle scene. I feel like this scene would contradict the narrative of the final film less than the Oracle scene likely did. Trying not to get my hopes up either, considering none of the deleted scenes we’ve ever gotten have been that amazing, and these both sound great.

Somebody on Twitter asked Joonas if he ever filmed a scene with Adam for TROS and he gave a vague response like he’s not allowed to say. If there was no scene, I feel like he would have flat out told us. Keep in mind that he only just revealed that he filmed a scene with Carrie for TFA mourning Han’s death a few weeks ago, basically 4 years after the film’s release. Strange that JJ never talked about this considering all the flack he got.

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Joonas did say that? Super interesting, there are so many lost deleted scenes throughout these films that I wish they would put on the saga home collection…

Bouncing back to the epilogue, I had another weird idea. The Sequel Trilogy didn’t want to touch politics with a 10-foot pole, but if we can insert a character into a new shot and make it look good, we might be able to create one new sequence to address it.

What if we made Lando the new Chancellor of the Republic?

It might seem out of left field at first, but think about it. He’s probably one of the most well-traveled and experienced characters still kicking. He has experience with the underworld during his gambling days, he has leadership experience from when he was the Administrator of Cloud City, and he has military experience during his time as a Rebellion General. Not to mention he is the war hero that destroyed the Second Death Star. Lando has a knack for moving up the professional ladder.

A part of me had hoped Leia might survive Episode IX because ruling the Republic always felt like a natural progression for her, but since she is gone, I could see Lando feeling a sense of responsibility to rebuild the Republic she cared so much about and ensure they don’t repeat the same mistakes that led to the First Order.

As far as implementing this idea, I think it would just be a matter of inserting a decent shot of Lando either into the Senate chambers or the Chancellor’s office. Maybe create a shot of him sitting down or looking out the window.

The biggest thing I wish I could figure out as far as conclusions is regarding Finn and the Stormtroopers. I had a rather ambitious idea previously, but I just don’t see a practical idea involving reformed Stormtroopers outside of shooting new footage.

We have Jannah and her people, but they don’t visibly look like Stormtroopers and Finn has no role in recruiting them, really. The only other thought I had is you could cut Jannah’s line, “He said you were the last hope” to imply that they are friendly, but not a part of the Resistance. Then, when Finn and Jannah are talking, offscreen Finn could say, “We have to fight” (taken from TLJ), then Jannah and Finn could look at each other before cutting to the next scene. So now Finn recruits the rogue Stormtroopers to rise against the First Order.

Anyway, sorry for bombarding this thread with my ramblings. I’m a lot of talk lately but not a lot of show.

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There isn’t much to show 'til we have the Blu-Ray.

Any political stuff should in TFA, before the Senate gets destroyed.

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Using deleted footage from the caretaker village in TLJ, maybe Ben could be chilling at a caretaker party in the final montage of the movie? Maybe this is concurrent with the Resistance Celebration and you cut from Rey looking somewhere to Ben looking back?

In my minds eye he’ll be looking out at the sea like Luke was in the deleted scene.

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I recall a shot from TROS where Ben is standing on the edge of the Death Star wreckage, very reminiscent to Wanderer above the Sea of Fog, right before Han appear to him. You could possibly use that shot, and have him standing on that cliff where Luke faded away. You could have Kylo looking at the Ach-To sunset like Luke did, while Rey looks at the sunset on Tatooine (or on a different planet), and maybe there is an applied Force bond between them as they look at each other from across the stars.

EDIT: Would you prefer an ending with Ben in exile? How would you feel about it ending with Ben and Rey together?

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I’ve been thinking for weeks that a great final scene would be a redeemed Ben Solo exiling himself on Ach-to. His Tie Fighter burns in the background as he stares out over the sea, then he turns back to see Luke’s ghost, who raises the X-Wing from the water as a token of forgiveness. Iris out on Luke and Ben finally making amends (which was a weird omission for me in the official version). You’d have to cut these beats from the earlier scene with Rey on the island (but I would do that anyway to remove the Palpatine reveal) and Adam Driver would be rotoscoped from the beginning of the Han memory scene.

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13las said:

I’ve been thinking for weeks that a great final scene would be a redeemed Ben Solo exiling himself on Ach-to. His Tie Fighter burns in the background as he stares out over the sea, then he turns back to see Luke’s ghost, who raises the X-Wing from the water as a token of forgiveness. Iris out on Luke and Ben finally making amends (which was a weird omission for me in the official version). You’d have to cut these beats from the earlier scene with Rey on the island (but I would do that anyway to remove the Palpatine reveal) and Adam Driver would be rotoscoped from the beginning of the Han memory scene.

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OutboundFlight said:

13las said:

I’ve been thinking for weeks that a great final scene would be a redeemed Ben Solo exiling himself on Ach-to. His Tie Fighter burns in the background as he stares out over the sea, then he turns back to see Luke’s ghost, who raises the X-Wing from the water as a token of forgiveness. Iris out on Luke and Ben finally making amends (which was a weird omission for me in the official version). You’d have to cut these beats from the earlier scene with Rey on the island (but I would do that anyway to remove the Palpatine reveal) and Adam Driver would be rotoscoped from the beginning of the Han memory scene.

I think that contradicts the message of TLJ, where you can’t run away from your problems. Instead of exile, a redeemed Ben should travel the galaxy on his own, fighting injustice he comes across and slowly redeeming himself to return to the Jedi and Rey.

I assume you didn’t read the whole thing. He was planning to have the scene end with ghost Luke raising his X-Wing, giving Ben a chance to leave. I personally like the idea, although it seems difficult to rotoscope Ben into those scenes, and cut around Luke’s X-Wing on Exegol.

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StarkillerAG said:

OutboundFlight said:

13las said:

I’ve been thinking for weeks that a great final scene would be a redeemed Ben Solo exiling himself on Ach-to. His Tie Fighter burns in the background as he stares out over the sea, then he turns back to see Luke’s ghost, who raises the X-Wing from the water as a token of forgiveness. Iris out on Luke and Ben finally making amends (which was a weird omission for me in the official version). You’d have to cut these beats from the earlier scene with Rey on the island (but I would do that anyway to remove the Palpatine reveal) and Adam Driver would be rotoscoped from the beginning of the Han memory scene.

I think that contradicts the message of TLJ, where you can’t run away from your problems. Instead of exile, a redeemed Ben should travel the galaxy on his own, fighting injustice he comes across and slowly redeeming himself to return to the Jedi and Rey.

I assume you didn’t read the whole thing. He was planning to have the scene end with ghost Luke raising his X-Wing, giving Ben a chance to leave. I personally like the idea, although it seems difficult to rotoscope Ben into those scenes, and cut around Luke’s X-Wing on Exegol.

I did read it through but I didn’t pick up the idea of Luke doing so to let Ben leave. Saw it as a way to make amends. I like this now.

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Luke and Ben not interacting at all in TROS may be one of the films biggest missed opportunities. I wanted Luke’s ghost haunting him mercilessly and then as you suggest, a small moment of recognition between them after Ben’s redemption.

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Posting this in case someone can see a feasible and worthwhile idea here. The ideas at play are pretty good, but most are not doable. Still, it has me thinking about the possibility of integrating the stormtrooper rebellion into Finn and Rose’s escape from execution. Also the potential for having Phasma in the film. Maybe we could just have a few shots of stormtroopers with brightly colored handprints on their helmets, fighting alongside the Resistance in the final battle.

I do like the idea of Kylo Ren being kicked out of the First Order. I had always hoped he’d go rogue, and this would be a great way to do it. After being forcefully removed from office and barely escaping with his life, he runs off with the Knights of Ren to catch Rey in hopes of ggetting her to help him kill Palpatine, the true mastermind behind the First Order. He’s still with the Dark Side, though, just not the First Order. General Pryde becomes the new Supreme Leader.

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Would it be feasible to possibly alter Luke’s crappy wig? It literally ruined the scene for me.

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