OutboundFlight said:
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Valheru_84 said:
You’re not meant to stop and think and try to make sense of it all Hal 😉
You jest, but it’s true. That’s the way Star Wars has always been. It’s emotional, not logical. None of it makes any sense logically and if you think about the viability of certain plot elements in those terms, it falls apart. So no, you’re not meant to make sense of it all.
That’s not the way it used to be. The OT makes sense, every action is justified.
The walkers don’t make sense. Neither does the two-dimensional space flight. Nor the idea of a giant slug being sexually attracted to humanoid women.
Apples and oranges. There’s a slight suspension of disbelief with the original three movies. TROS is complete nonsense by comparison. Palpatine is resurrected with no explanation. The Sith Eternal somehow create a fleet bigger than the First Order with no explanation. The Sith fleet can’t leave Exegol even though apparently ships have been coming and going for decades. A gigantic piece of the Death Star survives the explosion in ROTJ and re-entry through an atmosphere with no explanation. Ochi for some reason has a dagger that is shaped to fit along the skyline of the wreckage, and for some reason it has Sith writing, telling him where to find the holocron, even though he already knows where it is. Did he make the dagger? Did he find it? Who knows, cause the movie never tells us. Hux saves Poe and Finn, despite not having any real reason to do so. I could go on and on.
- Palpatine has a Sith Cult caring for him. I would imagine this same cult brought him from the Death Star (which we can see survived in part).
Possibly, but it isn’t established in the movie. That’s the main problem with this trilogy, the over-reliance on EU books to tell the story the movies should have told.
- The fleet might be big but it has a skeleton crew. Hence the need to leave by transmitter. This wasn’t a problem when there weren’t x-wings attacking.
The fleet doesn’t have a skeleton crew. The movie very clearly showed people manning the Star Destroyers, so that argument is invalid.
- Physics has never mattered before: the Death Star can explode in any which way it wants.
It isn’t a problem with physics, it’s a problem with continuity. ROTJ very clearly showed the Death Star exploding into a huge fireball, you can’t retcon that.
- The dagger seems to have been a route for Ochi to reach Exogel. This makes sense because how else would be reach the hidden planet. Stuff like this shouldn’t be explained in flashbacks. It diminishes the story’s focus.
You’d think Ochi would know the route to Exogol because he’s friends with Palpatine, not because of some dumb hint that makes him look like the Riddler.
- Hux dislikes Ren. He wants him to lose power so he can take over. This is clearly established throughout the trilogy.
Yes, but that still doesn’t justify actively helping the Resistance. You’d think he’d start a sub-faction in the First Order, not help the heroes win.
The point of this isn’t to answer random plot holes but to show the story is logical, it just requires a great deal of thinking and filling in blanks afterwards. The pacing is rushed to tell the full narrative. This fine by me if it means telling a more engaging story. No one wants to suddenly dive into a wookiepedia article as Palpatine explains all his friends on Kuat Drive Yards, which then have no relevance to the plot. What matters is he’s back and the galaxy needs to stop him.
We don’t want a highly detailed explanation, you’re making a straw-man. We just want a simple explanation. A few throwaway lines, or a flashback scene. Something, ANYTHING to allow this movie to make sense.
You can like this movie, I’m not trying to say you can’t, but don’t pretend the movie makes sense when it clearly doesn’t.