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Isn’t the reason Rey snoops around Kylo’s quarters in the first place because she’s looking for the dagger? If she never ends up needing it, that might not be good to remove.

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DominicCobb said:

snooker said:

I just don’t know how possible it is to remove Rey’s parents from the movie? If its possible i would do it, but Ochi’s ship design is very explicitly from Force Awakens so it might be odd to have the same ship without the backstory?

It would be difficult for a number of reasons, that, but also quite a bit of dialogue is had talking about the fact that Palpatine had her parents killed, from Kylo but then later from Rey to Finn. In my mind, leaving it in is the much cleaner solution. Palpatine sensed her power early and wanted her dead, and ended up killing her parents looking for her. This fuels Rey’s anger and spurns her to search for Palpatine and kill him (as she states in the film). Removing that entirely would create a lot of problems.

The first Rey and Palpatine scene will already be a nightmare ‘My granddaughter…’ ‘Empress Palpatine’ etc.

Arguably, you could keep “Empress Palpatine,” because Palpatine will be taking over her body, right? Might actually make an interesting parallel to the last scene, here Palpatine is goading her to adopt his name, essentially.

I do agree it would be more difficult, but I do think removing that aspect would be worth exploring. I think Rey’s parents not caring about her makes her character more interesting, but if someone threatened her parents’ lives to know her location, if they didn’t care then they would’ve just told him. So it turns out her parents did care about her, and even died for her, which just makes her story a lot less interesting imo.

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RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

snooker said:

I just don’t know how possible it is to remove Rey’s parents from the movie? If its possible i would do it, but Ochi’s ship design is very explicitly from Force Awakens so it might be odd to have the same ship without the backstory?

It would be difficult for a number of reasons, that, but also quite a bit of dialogue is had talking about the fact that Palpatine had her parents killed, from Kylo but then later from Rey to Finn. In my mind, leaving it in is the much cleaner solution. Palpatine sensed her power early and wanted her dead, and ended up killing her parents looking for her. This fuels Rey’s anger and spurns her to search for Palpatine and kill him (as she states in the film). Removing that entirely would create a lot of problems.

The first Rey and Palpatine scene will already be a nightmare ‘My granddaughter…’ ‘Empress Palpatine’ etc.

Arguably, you could keep “Empress Palpatine,” because Palpatine will be taking over her body, right? Might actually make an interesting parallel to the last scene, here Palpatine is goading her to adopt his name, essentially.

I do agree it would be more difficult, but I do think removing that aspect would be worth exploring. I think Rey’s parents not caring about her makes her character more interesting, but if someone threatened her parents’ lives to know her location, if they didn’t care then they would’ve just told him. So it turns out her parents did care about her, and even died for her, which just makes her story a lot less interesting imo.

I don’t disagree at all. Just feel like it’s a house of cards, and taking out Rey Palpatine could already be enough to knock it all down. The solution I have at least keeps some of the structural integrity of the film as is (even if it reduces some of the meaning as a compromise). There is apparently a deleted scene where Ben tells Rey not to give into her hate and cut down Palpatine that would work well with the ‘Rey wants revenge’ angle as well.

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Honestly, I think TROS is beyond saving, similar to TFA. While we can eliminate scenes and move material around, the glaring problems of script and story cannot be fixed by such actions. We would need access to tons of alternative and even new material… So unless someone shoots tons of said new material, I feel there is not much to gain here.

Considering how little deleted scenes and other stuff we are getting nowadays, I wont get my hopes up. Remember, most of the Carrie Fisher material in this movie came from TFA.

I am writing this off, looking forward to ROTJ Revisited instead.

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Hal 9000 said:

Isn’t the reason Rey snoops around Kylo’s quarters in the first place because she’s looking for the dagger? If she never ends up needing it, that might not be good to remove.

Yeah, after first viewing I thought “Man, that dagger outline bullshit has to go,” and then during my second viewing I realized this and went “…fuck.”

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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

snooker said:

I just don’t know how possible it is to remove Rey’s parents from the movie? If its possible i would do it, but Ochi’s ship design is very explicitly from Force Awakens so it might be odd to have the same ship without the backstory?

It would be difficult for a number of reasons, that, but also quite a bit of dialogue is had talking about the fact that Palpatine had her parents killed, from Kylo but then later from Rey to Finn. In my mind, leaving it in is the much cleaner solution. Palpatine sensed her power early and wanted her dead, and ended up killing her parents looking for her. This fuels Rey’s anger and spurns her to search for Palpatine and kill him (as she states in the film). Removing that entirely would create a lot of problems.

The first Rey and Palpatine scene will already be a nightmare ‘My granddaughter…’ ‘Empress Palpatine’ etc.

Arguably, you could keep “Empress Palpatine,” because Palpatine will be taking over her body, right? Might actually make an interesting parallel to the last scene, here Palpatine is goading her to adopt his name, essentially.

I do agree it would be more difficult, but I do think removing that aspect would be worth exploring. I think Rey’s parents not caring about her makes her character more interesting, but if someone threatened her parents’ lives to know her location, if they didn’t care then they would’ve just told him. So it turns out her parents did care about her, and even died for her, which just makes her story a lot less interesting imo.

I don’t disagree at all. Just feel like it’s a house of cards, and taking out Rey Palpatine could already be enough to knock it all down. The solution I have at least keeps some of the structural integrity of the film as is (even if it reduces some of the meaning as a compromise). There is apparently a deleted scene where Ben tells Rey not to give into her hate and cut down Palpatine that would work well with the ‘Rey wants revenge’ angle as well.

I hope we actually get that scene. At what point would he actually say that to Rey? I guess as he is running to come find her on Exogol? That would be nice, so his last word in the film literally isn’t “Ow.”

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snooker said:

-Slow down the pacing using subtle digital slow motion (to hold on shots for longer) and deleted scenes.

You know, I had a similar thought but I have never tried this before. I’d be curious to see how effective this technique could be to let this film breathe a little.

NeverarGreat said:

I liked the dagger bullshit in so far as it felt like a bit from Indiana Jones.

And yeah, the Dagger stuff definitely felt like a Staff of Ra or Goonies dagger moment, and I guess we shouldn’t question the logic of it too much.

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RogueLeader said:

snooker said:

-Slow down the pacing using subtle digital slow motion (to hold on shots for longer) and deleted scenes.

You know, I had a similar thought but I have never tried this before. I’d be curious to see how effective this technique could be to let this film breathe a little.

NeverarGreat said:

I liked the dagger bullshit in so far as it felt like a bit from Indiana Jones.

And yeah, the Dagger stuff definitely felt like a Staff of Ra or Goonies dagger moment, and I guess we shouldn’t question the logic of it too much.

Hal 9000 said:

Isn’t the reason Rey snoops around Kylo’s quarters in the first place because she’s looking for the dagger? If she never ends up needing it, that might not be good to remove.

This being another reason to just accept it!

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NeverarGreat said:

I liked the dagger bullshit in so far as it felt like a bit from Indiana Jones.

Yeah I didn’t have a problem with that. It was actually the only bit with the dagger that made it feel like its goofiness was fun and justified.

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As for what how much will be included, deleted scenes-wise, here are the runtime breakdowns for past JJ Abrams films blu-rays…

Mission: Impossible III: 5:21
Star Trek: 13:27
Super 8: 12:47
Star Trek Into Darkness: (can’t find a exact runtime but there’s 7 scenes, including some extended and alternates)
The Force Awakens: 5:48

So it’s probably safe to say we won’t get nothing, but I’m trying not to get my hopes too high up.

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You can cut the dagger outline. When Finn or Poe (can’t remember who said it) said that it would take them forever to find it, cut to them asking where Rey went. Assume Rey is using the force to find the location of the wayfinder within DSII

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But then there’s no point to her going to get the dagger from Ren’s quarters, which sets pretty much the rest of the movie in motion.

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NeverarGreat said:

I liked the dagger bullshit in so far as it felt like a bit from Indiana Jones.

This movie is the “Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom” of the Star Wars franchise.

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regularjoe said:

NeverarGreat said:

I liked the dagger bullshit in so far as it felt like a bit from Indiana Jones.

This movie is the “Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom” of the Star Wars franchise.

I wish they would’ve ended Finn’s story like Temple of Doom ended too!

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Here’s a very quick and dirty opening crawl that puts off the Palpatine reveal:

The galaxy is in despair. Under Supreme Leader KYLO REN, the First Order has taken control of all the major planetary systems.

But the spark of hope is spreading under the leadership of GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, who trains REY to restore the legacy of the Jedi.

Meanwhile, Kylo Ren searches the Unknown Regions for the source of his former master’s dark power, determined to quell the RESISTANCE once and for all . . . .

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Looking at how Rose character was handled in TROS to please those people that hated on her, including these that sent Kelly Marie Tran death threats I was thinking about offending those f*ckers a stitch more:
Why not cut the Fin Rose romance from 8 and retcon Paige from being Rose sister to being her wife and turn their amulet into some sort of wedding ring.

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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

snooker said:

I just don’t know how possible it is to remove Rey’s parents from the movie? If its possible i would do it, but Ochi’s ship design is very explicitly from Force Awakens so it might be odd to have the same ship without the backstory?

It would be difficult for a number of reasons, that, but also quite a bit of dialogue is had talking about the fact that Palpatine had her parents killed, from Kylo but then later from Rey to Finn. In my mind, leaving it in is the much cleaner solution. Palpatine sensed her power early and wanted her dead, and ended up killing her parents looking for her. This fuels Rey’s anger and spurns her to search for Palpatine and kill him (as she states in the film). Removing that entirely would create a lot of problems.

The first Rey and Palpatine scene will already be a nightmare ‘My granddaughter…’ ‘Empress Palpatine’ etc.

Arguably, you could keep “Empress Palpatine,” because Palpatine will be taking over her body, right? Might actually make an interesting parallel to the last scene, here Palpatine is goading her to adopt his name, essentially.

I do agree it would be more difficult, but I do think removing that aspect would be worth exploring. I think Rey’s parents not caring about her makes her character more interesting, but if someone threatened her parents’ lives to know her location, if they didn’t care then they would’ve just told him. So it turns out her parents did care about her, and even died for her, which just makes her story a lot less interesting imo.

I don’t disagree at all. Just feel like it’s a house of cards, and taking out Rey Palpatine could already be enough to knock it all down. The solution I have at least keeps some of the structural integrity of the film as is (even if it reduces some of the meaning as a compromise). There is apparently a deleted scene where Ben tells Rey not to give into her hate and cut down Palpatine that would work well with the ‘Rey wants revenge’ angle as well.

I think I’d mostly be okay with the reveal that Rey’s parents had hidden her on Jakku to protect her from Palpatine with the explanation of “Palpatine had sensed Rey’s potential with the Force” rather than “Rey is literally Palpatine’s granddaughter” It would still be a retcon but not as severe of a retcon…

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DominicCobb said:

Here’s a very quick and dirty opening crawl that puts off the Palpatine reveal:

The galaxy is in despair. Under Supreme Leader KYLO REN, the First Order has taken control of all the major planetary systems.

But the spark of hope is spreading under the leadership of GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, who trains REY to restore the legacy of the Jedi.

Meanwhile, Kylo Ren searches the Unknown Regions for the source of his former master’s dark power, determined to quell the RESISTANCE once and for all . . . .

This is real goooOOOoood.

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Peter Pan said:

Looking at how Rose character was handled in TROS to please those people that hated on her, including these that sent Kelly Marie Tran death threats I was thinking about offending those f*ckers a stitch more:
Why not cut the Fin Rose romance from 8 and retcon Paige from being Rose sister to being her wife and turn their amulet into some sort of wedding ring.

Yeah, unless we get some deleted Rose scenes I do think the kiss probably needs to be cut unfortunately. I feel like changing ‘sister’ to ‘wife’ might be challenging, though, especially if we don’t have an instance of KMT saying wife.

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Ideally we could reign the movie in a little while retaining its drive, sort of like removing the ‘iron gag’ from TLJ. It’s a good joke, but doesn’t feel at home within the bounds of the story itself. I miss the sincerity and earnestness of the OT.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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You’re kind of meaning in general, right? Like we edit the film throughout to help smooth out the tone to be more in line with the OT tone?

Another random thought (I’m having a lot of those), I know the Knights of Ren have been confirmed in canon books to not be Luke’s other students, but you could add dialogue from the Knights to imply them being dark side enthusiasts OR his students. It could help make Ben more sympathetic if there’s the implication that the Knights may have also pressured him to do the things he’s done. Just a thought though.

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Peter Pan said:

Looking at how Rose character was handled in TROS to please those people that hated on her, including these that sent Kelly Marie Tran death threats I was thinking about offending those f*ckers a stitch more:
Why not cut the Fin Rose romance from 8 and retcon Paige from being Rose sister to being her wife and turn their amulet into some sort of wedding ring.

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Right, just to slice off anything out of bounds. Understood loosely and subjectively, to the point of insanity. I think my edits of 7 and 8 tried to preserve the ability to take the movie’s universe seriously. Not realistically, but just keeping it consistent with how it was already established.

I’m not sure what could be done for 9, as the movie seems all up for blasting ahead with what it wants to do.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I think a previous diagram will help. Or not.

The sine curve of Star Wars

This shows how ‘Star Wars’ the films are, and how as they get further away from the OT they become less like this recognizable universe until the first and last basically exist in two different universes. The first is weird political space movie and the last is Indiana Potter and the Temple of the Sith

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