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RogueLeader said:

Duracell, do you mean you were hoping Kylo might’ve been pretending to be bad, like he was undercover or something?

Yeah, I think the term “bleeding” has been a gripe for some people regarding the new lore surrounding Kyber crystals, but I just understand it as a turn of phrase. If you just think of bleeding as “corrupting” a crystal rather than it literally bleeding, it makes more sense.

I thought the new canon for kyber crystals were quite celever and perfectly understood the difference between the light side and the dark side. Basically the jedi need to connect with the force, hence they “connect” or “bond” with the crystal. The sith are all about using the force for their own selfish need so they have to corrupt the crystal by “breaking” it to their will. The term “bleed” was just an obvious metaphor since the crystal turns red. I mean at this point its well established (regardless of what you think of it) that the sith have red lightsabers, so it made sense for them to add a canonical explanation as to why the colour it only applied to the bad guys. The old EU explanation was fine, but perhaps a bit too sci-fi like, and I think the new EU wanted to distance themselves somewhat from some of the less popular PT concepts and make it more “spiritual” and symbolic.

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But that lends the weapon importance, which I kinda hate.

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@ZkinandBonez

What was the old EU “more sci-fi” explanation of why the bad guys had red blades?

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canofhumdingers said:

@ZkinandBonez

What was the old EU “more sci-fi” explanation of why the bad guys had red blades?

Quite simply that since the Jedi “owned” the only known planet (or maybe there was a few of them, I only remember Ilum) that had lightsaber-crystals the Sith were forced to make synthetic crystals, which turned out red.

There was more to it than that, but that’s the basic gist of it as far as I can remember. Other than the artificial red ones, the other colours were just natural in the crystals and the Jedi assigned them to specific classes of Jedi as a symbolic gesture. Since Luke’s Jedi Academy didn’t follow those rules, they just used the colours randomly or depending on availability (as they were quite rare at that point).

Mocata said:

But that lends the weapon importance, which I kinda hate.

Could you elaborate on that? I don’t really follow what you mean, weren’t lightsabers always meant to be rare and special?

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RogueLeader said:

Duracell, do you mean you were hoping Kylo might’ve been pretending to be bad, like he was undercover or something?

Nothing so elaborate. I just wanted him to be the SW-equivalent of Rutger Hauer’s character from Ladyhawke.

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Less a thought and more of a question: I was skimming through the phantom menace on Disney+. It’s been at least 15 years since I’ve watched the movie but I swear there was a scene where one of Darth Maul’s probes on Tatooine is flying behind Qui-gon who quickly spins around and slices it in half with his lightsaber. But I don’t see it in the film. Am I missing something?

Also, DuracellEnergizer, thank you for making me aware of this awesome looking film, “Ladyhawke”! Never heard of it before but now I know what I’m watching before going to the Renaissance Festival later this month!

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canofhumdingers said:

Less a thought and more of a question: I was skimming through the phantom menace on Disney+. It’s been at least 15 years since I’ve watched the movie but I swear there was a scene where one of Darth Maul’s probes on Tatooine is flying behind Qui-gon who quickly spins around and slices it in half with his lightsaber. But I don’t see it in the film. Am I missing something?

It was a deleted scene that they decided to finish for the DVD release in 2001, but as far as I know it was never actually added to the film like the extended pod-race scene was.

Here’s the scene btw; https://youtu.be/t2_R-bWR3v8?t=768

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Aha! Thanks! And, of all things, I feel like that shouldn’t have ever been cut because it makes the inexplicable scene of them running to the ship for no reason actually make sense!

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It’s been restored in nearly every TPM fan edit I’ve seen.

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From the 4K thread:

DrDre said:

Take a look at this frame:

Who is that lone Imperial officer in ROTJ who isn’t wearing a Commander rank plaque?

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How are the Laserdisc OT commentaries? Who’s on them?

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DominicCobb said:

How are the Laserdisc OT commentaries? Who’s on them?

IIRC, they were cobbled together and not terribly screen specific, and there are huge gaps of silence.

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ATMachine said:

Who is that lone Imperial officer in ROTJ who isn’t wearing a Commander rank plaque?

I don’t believe he has a name. He’s an uncredited extra without backstory.

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I believe that some (but not all?) of the deleted scenes for included on the 2011 box set are available under each movie’s “extras” menu on Disney+

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Broom Kid said:

I believe that some (but not all?) of the deleted scenes for included on the 2011 box set are available under each movie’s “extras” menu on Disney+

Sooo no additional deleted scenes? such as the extended DS conference room scene with ‘Sith’ being mentioned?

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I haven’t really gone through them myself. I think the DVD era more or less burnt me out on “extras” although I still find myself, out of habit, buying blu-rays based on how many bullet points are on the back.

But at some point it occurred to me that for all the weight I give “the extras” on any disc I ever bought, aside from a handful of very prominent examples, I almost never watched them more than once, and sometimes never watched them at all.

There’s a bunch of stuff on the 2011 blu-ray set for Star Wars I’ve never clicked on. That includes some of the deleted scenes.

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There are extras? That’s very interesting. Only deleted scenes? Anything else? Only the 2011 deleted scenes? How does the quality compare? Etc.

I mean, I think I’ll probably sign up for D+ later tonight but if someone wants to look in the meantime…

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

ATMachine said:

Who is that lone Imperial officer in ROTJ who isn’t wearing a Commander rank plaque?

I don’t believe he has a name. He’s an uncredited extra without backstory.

Seriously? This is Star Wars! I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t have a name, a backstory, and a Wookieepedia page. 😉

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DominicCobb said:

There are extras? That’s very interesting. Only deleted scenes? Anything else? Only the 2011 deleted scenes? How does the quality compare? Etc.

I mean, I think I’ll probably sign up for D+ later tonight but if someone wants to look in the meantime…

Alright so… extras are deleted scenes and a single trailer for each. The scenes for the PT are a completely random assortment of ones from the BD and DVD, just a handful for each. Quality is the same (probably worse).

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I’m still holding out hope for fresh deleted scenes on the inevitable 4K Skywalker Saga Collection boxset; or at least the existing deleted scenes which were only available on the DVDs in better quality. Every AOTC and ROTS fanedit relies on 480p->1080p upscales, and there are scenes from both movies as yet unreleased, including one in which Obi Wan admits to Padme that he knows about the romance.

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Plus the scenes from AOTC of Anakin putting cladding on C-3PO, and of Padme wearing a white headdress/poncho thingy during their initial arrival on Geonosis.

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ATMachine said:

Your_friendly_Imperial said:

ATMachine said:

Who is that lone Imperial officer in ROTJ who isn’t wearing a Commander rank plaque?

I don’t believe he has a name. He’s an uncredited extra without backstory.

Seriously? This is Star Wars! I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t have a name, a backstory, and a Wookieepedia page. 😉

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A lightsaber’s color could be based on how often it is used, with the crystal wearing down and displaying ever redder colors over time:

Spectrum

(I imagine that the purple part of the spectrum would be a bright, almost white pink with the blade gradually shifting blue)

This would make sense of why building a lightsaber is a rite of passage for every Jedi Knight instead of simply inheriting ones from previous generations, while also allowing for a test of skill if they wished to merely replace the crystal in an older saber. The reason Sith blades are red could be for many reasons, such as a reliance on violence and also a disinterest in the serene delicate work required to replace the crystals.

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That’s a cool idea! Too bad they went with bleeding crystals instead 😦

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It’s a cool idea, but wouldn’t a more mystical reason make more sense in SW? E.g. the idea of bonding with a living crystal if you’re a Jedi, or “bleeding” it if you’re a Sith.

I don’t get why so many people don’t like the new lightsaber crystal lore. It’s such a Star Wars-y concept. They’ve even named them Kyber crystals.

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