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Lucasfilm: Beyond Star Wars and Indiana Jones — Page 4

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RogueLeader said:

I can’t speak for Children, but I mentioned in another thread about how I would like to see Lucasfilm do a new Willow movie or Disney+ series, or maybe a live-action version of the Monkey Island games. Or maybe an animated film! I think that could set it apart from Pirates of the Caribbean, and also fit the humor pretty well I think.

I’d absolutely love a Willow follow-up in some form!

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MikeWW said:

StarkillerAG said:

MikeWW said:

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MikeWW said:

You don’t seem to be remembering AotC right.

Really? How about you describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.

Refute my Finn points then we’ll talk.

Okay.

Finn’s character development in TFA is mostly centered on his unwillingness to fight. He starts out as a First Order janitor: he’s technically part of the First Order, but he isn’t really committed to their cause. The movie starts with Finn’s first battle, where he experiences the horrors of war for the first time. One of his stormtrooper friends dies, and he is ordered to slaughter hundreds of innocent civilians. Finn decides that he doesn’t want to fight for the First Order, and frees Poe so that he can help Finn escape. Poe wants to go back to Jakku to help the Resistance, but Finn wants to get away from the war. After they crash land on Jakku, Finn meets Rey and BB-8, and Finn agrees to help return BB-8 to the Resistance, but he still doesn’t want to fight. After they meet Han and travel to Maz’s castle, Maz argues with Finn. Maz urges Finn to fight against the Dark Side, but Finn says that fighting the First Order is futile, and he decides to leave. The only reason he doesn’t leave is because he wants to find Rey. Then, the First Order attacks, leaving Finn no choice but to fight. After the battle, Rey gets captured, and all the other characters, including Finn, go to the Resistance base. Finn creates a plan to disable the shields on Starkiller Base, but secretly, he just wants to help Rey. After he disables the shields and finds Rey, Han decides to help the Resistance blow up the base, leaving Finn no choice but to fight once again. Kylo kills Han, and Finn and Rey encounter Kylo in the woods. Kylo slices Finn’s back, leaving him unconscious for the rest of the movie.

By the end of the movie, Finn has left the First Order, but he still hasn’t joined the Resistance. This is made clear many times in the movie. His motivations are obvious and his arc is clear.

Your turn. Describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.

You didn’t engage with my points at all you just typed up an on paper summary.

I did engage with your points, though: The “on paper summary” proves that Finn’s character arc is consistent and clear. But since it’s obvious that you can’t be reasoned with, I’m ending this conversation.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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StarkillerAG said:

MikeWW said:

StarkillerAG said:

MikeWW said:

StarkillerAG said:

MikeWW said:

You don’t seem to be remembering AotC right.

Really? How about you describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.

Refute my Finn points then we’ll talk.

Okay.

Finn’s character development in TFA is mostly centered on his unwillingness to fight. He starts out as a First Order janitor: he’s technically part of the First Order, but he isn’t really committed to their cause. The movie starts with Finn’s first battle, where he experiences the horrors of war for the first time. One of his stormtrooper friends dies, and he is ordered to slaughter hundreds of innocent civilians. Finn decides that he doesn’t want to fight for the First Order, and frees Poe so that he can help Finn escape. Poe wants to go back to Jakku to help the Resistance, but Finn wants to get away from the war. After they crash land on Jakku, Finn meets Rey and BB-8, and Finn agrees to help return BB-8 to the Resistance, but he still doesn’t want to fight. After they meet Han and travel to Maz’s castle, Maz argues with Finn. Maz urges Finn to fight against the Dark Side, but Finn says that fighting the First Order is futile, and he decides to leave. The only reason he doesn’t leave is because he wants to find Rey. Then, the First Order attacks, leaving Finn no choice but to fight. After the battle, Rey gets captured, and all the other characters, including Finn, go to the Resistance base. Finn creates a plan to disable the shields on Starkiller Base, but secretly, he just wants to help Rey. After he disables the shields and finds Rey, Han decides to help the Resistance blow up the base, leaving Finn no choice but to fight once again. Kylo kills Han, and Finn and Rey encounter Kylo in the woods. Kylo slices Finn’s back, leaving him unconscious for the rest of the movie.

By the end of the movie, Finn has left the First Order, but he still hasn’t joined the Resistance. This is made clear many times in the movie. His motivations are obvious and his arc is clear.

Your turn. Describe the romance in AOTC. I’ll wait.

You didn’t engage with my points at all you just typed up an on paper summary.

I did engage with your points, though: The “on paper summary” proves that Finn’s character arc is consistent and clear. But since it’s obvious that you can’t be reasoned with, I’m ending this conversation.

You did not. My points are up thread for all to see.
Finn is whooping with excitement at the very trauma that set his ““arc”” in motion.

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StarkillerAG said:

I repeat, I’m ending this conversation. Now please shut up.

I accept your concession.
But seriously, come on. You know you didn’t engage my points so don’t like you have the… high ground.

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My god, kid, you just don’t know when to quit, do you? Like, you know, when the OP of the thread says

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MikeWW said:

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MikeWW said:

George is the common element of every good movie he was involved in.

He’s also the common and often controlling element of many bad films in which he’s involved.

He hasn’t made a bad film other than Red Tails, which he didn’t even direct.
The closest to bad would be Episode 2, but it’s still far less narratively incoherent than Kasdan’s Episode 7.

Hahahahaha, are you serious? TFA is more incoherent than AOTC?

I legitimately cannot take another word you say seriously after that statement.

JEDIT: And in your next post you call AOTC Anakin “more consistent” than TFA Finn? That’s just objectively absurd.

“Objective”??? Now who’s being ridiculous?
Provide a counterargument, guy.

Or maybe take your off topic bitching out of my thread.

and you keep going for another page and a half. And seem to think that you “win” whenever someone “concedes” by no longer engaging with your bullshit.

Seems like my sig applies to you way more than it does to me anymore…

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But anyway. Willow. TV show, movie, prequel, sequel - what are we thinkin’ here, folks?

I vote sequel TV series.

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MikeWW said:
You know you didn’t engage my points so don’t like you have the… high ground.

Back at you, sir.

You might want to give some thought to an exit strategy.

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ChainsawAsh said:

But anyway. Willow. TV show, movie, prequel, sequel - what are we thinkin’ here, folks?

I vote sequel TV series.

A sequel is almost always superior to a prequel, so that part is obvious (though I am holding my breath for that Dark Crystal show). And for small-scale fantasy, TV makes a lot of sense.

I vote sequel miniseries.

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)

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Anchorhead said:

MikeWW said:
You know you didn’t engage my points so don’t like you have the… high ground.

Back at you, sir.

You might want to give some thought to an exit strategy.

Is that a suicide reference?

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No. It meant I’m tired of your trolling. When TFN gets tired of your shit, this isn’t the place you should have landed.

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I know Warwick Davis has definitely expressed interest, although I wonder how they could make a sequel without the first one being necessary viewing material? Maybe it could could just be a new adventure for his character, or him and his children? I also don’t know how the PC crowd nowadays would react to having a village of little people in the movie. It ain’t the 80s anymore.

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As opposed to full size actors pretending to be little people like in LOTR and The Hobbit films? 😉

Seriously, why would anyone have a problem with little people playing little people?

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I don’t! But I feel like someone might complain about it. But you don’t see little people with starring roles in many films or tv shows nowadays, with Peter Dinklage being the major exception. I think it would be a cool way to get more representation. I definitely think Warwick could serve as a producer on the show. With him starting in the industry so young, him having a big role like this to bring in a new generation of dwarf actors would be pretty amazing I think! But I’m sure he has thought about it a lot.

If it was a Disney+ show, I think they could still just call it Willow!

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I also think they could make a crime/mystery show or movie in the vein of Dick Tracy, to really round out the 30s matineé inspired stories.

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I’ve been reading briefly about Children of Blood and Bone, and it is a YA fantasy novel inspired by African mythology and Yoruba. Apparently the author was motivated to write the story after feeling a sense of hopelessness because of the police shootings of Black Americans. So those emotions and themes are carried through in this novel.

I’m not sure how much it was Kathleen Kennedy’s decision to pick up this story to adapt, but I do feel like she does care about getting progressive ideas across in this new era of Lucasfilm. Clearly we’ve been hearing people cry SJW regarding the Sequel Trilogy, so imagine we might be hearing more complaints from that group of people as this film moves forward.

I do think that Kennedy’s selection, if it was her decision, is an indication that moving forward Lucasfilm does have an interest in telling stories that carries a progressive message for contemporary audiences.

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MikeWW said:

Creox said:

SilverWook said:

I thought it was documented that a British editor did the first rough cut?

In any case, the Oscars Marcia Lucas, Richard Chew, and Paul Hirsch received for editing Star Wars speaks for itself.

This.

All I have to do is watch the prequels to see what a GL film looks like when he has no one around to reign him in or say “no” when needed.

Read the posts above you.

Also there a lot of good editing moments in the PT.
For example, the 123 editing of-

“Who could have done this” -cut to- Anakin slaughtering the separatists -cut to- Palpatine monologuing about the first Galactic Empire.

The PT demonstrates very clearly why GL unleashed is not a good idea. There are very few directors who can complete a film by themselves or call every shot while do so without serious fallout. I love the universe Lucas created and I state here today that his best creations were his very first THX,AG and SW. His career following has been mediocre at best unless palling up with Spielberg.

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Oh he got banned, I did start to wonder.

So anyway back on topic, does Lucasfilm own other properties like this adaptation? I’m unclear on their role outside of George’s old staples. What can they go beyond? Will they remake The Land Before Time in horrifying CGI fashion as is the current trend? Will they team up with their now sibling company Marvel Studios and remake Howard the Duck with James Gunn at the helm? Hm…

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I would think it depends on the property. With something like Star Wars or Indiana Jones, it’s obviously LFL, so now owned by Disney. Trickier to know where the rights lie with co-productions I think.

So something like The Land Before Time, if the other movies are anything to go by, I think Universal must own that. Something like Willow, where it’s LFL and Ron Howard, I’d imagine (heh) that that’d probably end up being something Disney might want them to look into.

Personally I’m most curious about Labyrinth. With the Jim Henson Company doing new Dark Crystal stuff, I wonder if they’d be interested in continuing the Labyrinth universe in some capacity, and if so if LFL would be involved.

But honestly, if I had to guess, Disney probably only cares about Star Wars and Indy from them in terms of IP, and otherwise the company will probably focused on coming up with new IP potential. Especially if the talk is true that Fox will soon cease to produce much more than preexisting IP movies, and if Disney continues to produce solely live action remakes and sequels (and the occasional kiddie flick), it makes sense to have a banner like LFL be making new, more-adult-skewing (though still family friendly) content. If someone doesn’t come up with new stuff eventually, they’re going to be in trouble.

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It’s kinda weird, because back when Lucasfilm was independent them making original films / new adaptations made more sense (following this vision of letting people make their movies). But now that it’s owned by Disney it doesn’t seem all that much a difference (Disney will still ensure the film follows their values, even if it’s Kennedy in charge instead of _____).

That being said, it’s always nice for Hollywood to focus on more original stories. So I’m positive.

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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I could see them using the Lucasfilm “brand” to give an air of legitimacy to some riskier original fantasy/sci-fi/adventure IPs down the line.

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Spielberg was also an executive producer on TLBT, so I would think he’s still got a stake in it somehow? Universal cranked out about five direct to video sequels though and a tv series.

Lea Thompson, who moved behind the camera and became a director, actually has expressed a desire to remake/reboot Howard. Would be interesting to know if Universal retains some movie rights the way they still do for The Incredible Hulk.

As much as I love Labyrinth it seems folly to revisit it without David Bowie. I can’t even imagine who could replace him as the Goblin King.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I could see them using the Lucasfilm “brand” to give an air of legitimacy to some riskier original fantasy/sci-fi/adventure IPs down the line.

If only someone at Disney had thought of that when Strange Magic was released.

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Aw, SilverWook, you think there are only five Land Before Time sequels? Bless your heart.