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SilverWook said:

I may have missed something, but I don’t think Luke having to live with a mechanical hand was dealt with much in the post ESB storylines?

It being mechanical did (no pun intended) come in handy several times (like in Heir to the Empire), but I can’t remember him ever talking much about it beyond a little in Shadows of the Empire and a few issues immediately after ESB. I guess he just got used to it.

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Maybe the original Westworld had something to do with it? 😃

Androids were very familiar to general audiences by 1977. The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman were often menaced by them, especially fembots. Maybe Lucas wanted to avoid androids for that reason?

With those two examples, as well as androids appearing in Star Trek a few times, the whole concept probably didn’t quite fit in with that whole “lived-in” universe vibe that Lucas was going for. Androids probably just seemed too futuristic.

It’s still a little bit weird that both Tardi & Guri exist in the same world as Artoo, Threepio, Gonk droids, and this clunky-looking thing.

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I think emphasizing Viscount Tardi (thanks for the reminder!) being non-sentient might have been so the Rebels don’t look bad sending a droid on essentially a suicide mission, which is kind of silly since regular rebel droids often are often in the line of fire. There was another issue where Artoo was badly damaged, and Luke lost his temper at a Rebel tech who suggested it was more trouble than it was worth to fix him when parts for other droids were already in short supply.

Marvel was probably concerned about how the kids reading the comics would react to the idea of droid suicide mission, especially since Artoo & Threepio were clearly meant to be seen as sentient being. Plus, Leia, just like Luke, was always a lot more sympathetic towards droids.

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Now I want a series predating even KOTOR about how humanoid androids rebelled and started a massive war against the “living” species, to the point where they infiltrated their enemy by creating duplicates, causig a McCarthyism-style witch hunt and ending in the banning of lifelike droids throughout the galaxy.

In other words, kind of what I wanted the Clone Wars to be, but with androids instead of clones.

In other words, sort of a mishmash of Blade Runner, The Second Renaissance, and some version of the Butlerian Jihad (but not BH/KJA’s version), set in the ancient times of the Star Wars universe.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Now I want a series predating even KOTOR about how humanoid androids rebelled and started a massive war against the “living” species, to the point where they infiltrated their enemy by creating duplicates, causig a McCarthyism-style witch hunt and ending in the banning of lifelike droids throughout the galaxy.

In other words, kind of what I wanted the Clone Wars to be, but with androids instead of clones.

In other words, sort of a mishmash of Blade Runner, The Second Renaissance, and some version of the Butlerian Jihad (but not BH/KJA’s version), set in the ancient times of the Star Wars universe.

So, a series about the Great Droid Revolution?

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With a name like Lobot, you’d think that would be a given?

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SilverWook said:

With a name like Lobot, you’d think that would be a given?

Isn’t it short for lobotomy? I thought the idea was that he was a human with a robot brain or something like that.

I don’t think androids fit SW. The robots are supposed to be low tech nuts-and-bolts kind of stuff. Doesn’t really make sense aesthetically to mix with another approach.

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SilverWook said:

With a name like Lobot, you’d think that would be a given?

I think the canon Lando comic shows him as always having been named Lobot, and the…thing on his head was a form of cybernetic enhancement, but was damaged to the point of essentially lobotomizing him…or something?

Been a while since I’ve read it, I could be mistaken.

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While I was doing a bit of research for something, I stumbled upon this website that has a long list of Padme-related trivia.

One interesting thing that’s included is this little tidbit of information…

Natalie Portman allegedly filmed a scene for Episode III during Episode II photography at Lake Como, but it was never used. This behind-the-scenes image is the only evidence:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dl0nn8fV4AAQkoT.jpg

I have never heard about this before. From what I recall, parts of the final scene of Revenge of the Sith, with Owen and Beru, were also filmed during Episode II’s production with intent of later use for Episode III, so that wouldn’t be completely unheard of. I don’t have a source to back that up, just what I’ve heard in the past.

Does anyone have anymore information about this “unused” scene?

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Interesting find! Padme never returns to Naboo alive in in Episode III, so what could this scene be? Was Padme’s death originally going to be a hoax to help protect Luke and Leia? Maybe someone should ask Natalie Portman about it.

The original ending of ROTS was shot on location during production of Episode II. It was replaced by a green screen shoot during Episode III proper.
http://starwarz.com/tbone/special-deliveries/#more-1798

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I have never seen those pictures before, either! Thanks for sharing.

So they did film the ending for the eventual “Episode III” during AOTC’s production, but they didn’t use it and just reshot it in-studio during ROTS’ production? Is that correct?

SilverWook said:

Interesting find! Padme never returns to Naboo alive in Episode III, so what could this scene be? Was Padme’s death originally going to be a hoax to help protect Luke and Leia? Maybe someone should ask Natalie Portman about it.

See, this is what I am wondering, too. The only other known scene shot for Episode III during AOTC’s production was meant to be the ending for ROTS, which apparently Lucas’ had in his mind for a while. So, is it possible that this is something similar? Was she originally going to survive and go into hiding?

I’m probably going to try and reach out to the twitter user who posted that picture and see if he knows the source of that image. I might also go back and look at The Secret History of Star Wars and see if there is ever any mention of Padme’s fate changing during the writing process, although I do not recall anything like that at the moment. Maybe some insight could be gleamed from the Rinzler books, which I don’t have at the moment.

If it is what I think it is, it is possible Lucas originally planned to have Padme survive for a few more years offscreen (which ROTJ implies), but while writing ROTS or just further developing it, he realized that having Padme die would be a stronger ending, despite the continuity error.

Then again, I kind of want more proof that this is what he says it is, first, and that it is not just some other deleted scene for AOTC.

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SilverWook said:

Interesting find! Padme never returns to Naboo alive in in Episode III, so what could this scene be? Was Padme’s death originally going to be a hoax to help protect Luke and Leia? Maybe someone should ask Natalie Portman about it.

The original ending of ROTS was shot on location during production of Episode II. It was replaced by a green screen shoot during Episode III proper.
http://starwarz.com/tbone/special-deliveries/#more-1798

GL: “the original ending looks too real compared to the rest of the movie. Let’s reshoot it and make the background a fucking cartoon.”

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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The first time I read someone refer to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as “AOC,” I thought, “what does this have to do with Attack of the Clones?”

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

Interesting find! Padme never returns to Naboo alive in in Episode III, so what could this scene be? Was Padme’s death originally going to be a hoax to help protect Luke and Leia? Maybe someone should ask Natalie Portman about it.

The original ending of ROTS was shot on location during production of Episode II. It was replaced by a green screen shoot during Episode III proper.
http://starwarz.com/tbone/special-deliveries/#more-1798

GL: “the original ending looks too real compared to the rest of the movie. Let’s reshoot it and make the background a fucking cartoon.”

You’d think he would have shot the baby Luke handoff both ways (Owen and Beru) just to be on the safe side. Hopefully, we get to see this footage someday.

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Yeah, he kind of makes you realize that there are a quite a few deleted scenes for all the movies that we still haven’t seen, or even know about.

One scene I recently learned about was one between Padme and Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith. They talk briefly about Anakin and Obi reveals that he knows they have feelings for each other, but promises to keep their secret.

You can actually read the script for that scene (and several other scenes) here: http://starwars.rossiters.com/rots_uf91-100.html

There’s also the scene in AOTC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, haha) where Padme puts 3PO’s rusty-looking plating on him. Speaking of which, that same blog post that mentioned the Episode 3 Padme scene shot during Episode 2 mentions that Padme was digitally inserted into the Lars dinner table scene, where they talk about what happened to Anakin’s mother. He mentions he doesn’t know why she had to be digitally inserted, since she was there for filming. But that is something I never even noticed before.

EDIT: Another thing that comes to mind is seeing Dooku using two sabers against Yoda during their duel in AOTC in some BTS footage!

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SilverWook said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

Interesting find! Padme never returns to Naboo alive in in Episode III, so what could this scene be? Was Padme’s death originally going to be a hoax to help protect Luke and Leia? Maybe someone should ask Natalie Portman about it.

The original ending of ROTS was shot on location during production of Episode II. It was replaced by a green screen shoot during Episode III proper.
http://starwarz.com/tbone/special-deliveries/#more-1798

GL: “the original ending looks too real compared to the rest of the movie. Let’s reshoot it and make the background a fucking cartoon.”

You’d think he would have shot the baby Luke handoff both ways (Owen and Beru) just to be on the safe side. Hopefully, we get to see this footage someday.

Oh! I didn’t even notice!

I just feel bad for the original baby who lost his moment of fame.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

Interesting find! Padme never returns to Naboo alive in in Episode III, so what could this scene be? Was Padme’s death originally going to be a hoax to help protect Luke and Leia? Maybe someone should ask Natalie Portman about it.

The original ending of ROTS was shot on location during production of Episode II. It was replaced by a green screen shoot during Episode III proper.
http://starwarz.com/tbone/special-deliveries/#more-1798

GL: “the original ending looks too real compared to the rest of the movie. Let’s reshoot it and make the background a fucking cartoon.”

You’d think he would have shot the baby Luke handoff both ways (Owen and Beru) just to be on the safe side. Hopefully, we get to see this footage someday.

Oh! I didn’t even notice!

I just feel bad for the original baby who lost his moment of fame.

I would think they would have used a doll for the long shots and shot inserts of a real baby later. The safety and insurance risks of a real infant in that blast furnace Tunisian heat would have been too great.

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RogueLeader said:

Yeah, he kind of makes you realize that there are a quite a few deleted scenes for all the movies that we still haven’t seen, or even know about.

One scene I recently learned about was one between Padme and Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith. They talk briefly about Anakin and Obi reveals that he knows they have feelings for each other, but promises to keep their secret.

You can actually read the script for that scene (and several other scenes) here: http://starwars.rossiters.com/rots_uf91-100.html

Was that ever actually filmed though? There’s a lot of deleted bits you can find from reading the novelization (although with those you kinda have to guess whether the author actually came up with it). One would think that would’ve been included as a deleted scene if it was shot, but then again who knows.

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Haha, is that reaction to the actual footage of the scene, or the fact that it is on tumblr?

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Could have been one of the webisodes that were posted on the official site during production. I think they were collected in the DVD bonus features?

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Speaking of AOTC, that lonely full-screen DVD copy I spotted at a local drug store last year is still there. And still nine bucks. 😛

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Hey, that’s a bargain!

I bet some, if not all, of the webisodes can be found on YouTube, too. It’s just a matter of watching through them all. I also believe you can spot a few other deleted moments in BTS footage as well. I found a few gifs of Obi-Wan arriving to Padme’s apartment after the purge starts, 3PO mentions the Jedi Rebellion. The latter half of that scene is still in the film, when Obi-Wan tries to get Padme to tell her where Anakin is.