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^I have seen a lot of variations on those ideas in a lot of mags in the early 80’s . Obi -1 was a fairly common one ,and I remember reading a pretty neat article in Cinefex right after the special editions came out but before the prequels , that outlined where they thought the prequel trilogy was going . I think they mentioned Luke’s ROTJ outfit as standard Jedi attire , which is what I always thought it was .I will try and dig up some of my books and scan some articles soon

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I do not believe they will turn out to be siblings , nor do I believe they are going to be romantically involved , but I could be wrong .

I feel the same way about them being siblings, but if Luke can be Leia’s brother, might as well make Tarkin Rey’s grandpa.

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OutboundFlight said:

This is a pretty good video on just that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-qi4OhCii4

You know, back in the pre-TLJ days I thought Reylo was idiotic but TLJ goes to great lengths to set it up. Finn, who I believed would end up with Rey by the end, is now with Rose and Poe’s got BB8.

While it might be a cliché, it is an interesting and a new place of the franchise to go. If they do it right, it could help Ep 9. But doing it right would be very hard to pull off, and they might see the entire saga fall apart if they fail. Something to keep in the back of our minds, I guess.

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Unfortunately, I feel that the “Reylo” fans, such as fangirls who draw fan art of the two characters seen in the video are making this story direction look like garbage. That is one of the reasons why I think some of the most popular Star Wars fans out there, who are not toxic, do not mention it, because they see it as a fangirl shipping dream of theirs. Not to sound like a bully, but I even dismissed the two having a romantic relationship after first viewing The Force Awakens when discovering this content. I began looking into the detailed theories a year later and got convinced that this could be a possible outcome. I was shocked to see that they really moving in this direction in The Last Jedi, and ended up growing to love this story direction, especially with how similar both Rey and Ben are to each other. Even after The Last Jedi has been released, there are still people out there who still blindly didn’t see any sexual tension occurring between the two in the movie.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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screams in the void said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

I understand. I know that others don’t see what I mean. I just think that if you look past all the fluff and garbage that the “Reylo” fans make this story pathway out to be, there is actually something very impactful and powerful found within their story.

If you type “Reylo” on YouTube, unfortunately, most of the videos are by these fangirls and shippers. This is a perfect reason why they are making this particular story direction look like garbage. Skip to 7:20 in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_5XRiYNqh0

If you’d like to check out a good discussion on the topic of Rey and Kylo Ben, check out this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuRRZCW7ANw

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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Tbf, fangirls can make any direction look like garbage.

But yeah, I honestly don’t see Lucasfilm going there. It doesn’t seem like the direction they’re headed in.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Tbf, fangirls can make any direction look like garbage.

But yeah, I honestly don’t see Lucasfilm going there. It doesn’t seem like the direction they’re headed in.

I don’t know. I could be wrong, but the developing relationship and sexual tension between them in The Last Jedi was quite legit. The ending didn’t necessarily mark the end of their relationship, but rather the beginning into something greater.

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Is that a shareable link? It says I have to request access.

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nl0428 said:

RogueLeader said:

Is that a shareable link? It says I have to request access.

I just fixed the link. Here you are.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view

Really interesting, he makes great points (mostly, a few are a bit far fetched). I agree that there is some kind of romance going on. Not sure what it will lead to in IX, but I wouldn’t mind a “Reylo” ending. It’s certainly a problematic relationship so it would probably not be a purely happy ending, perhaps bittersweet or even sad. We’ll see.

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A Reylo type relationship required Kylo to be less evil in TFA and for Rey to join Kylo in TLJ. It’s infeasible to squeeze it into IX at this point with how the previous 2 films have been.

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I disagree with that. It definitely feels like they’ve been setting it up to be endgame. And just because we can’t see how it will come about based off the last two movies doesn’t mean they haven’t come up with a way to make it work that we haven’t considered.

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Zachary VIII said:

A Reylo type relationship required Kylo to be less evil in TFA and for Rey to join Kylo in TLJ. It’s infeasible to squeeze it into IX at this point with how the previous 2 films have been.

It can still be included. The Force Awakens gave a subtle beginning, and The Last Jedi was much more clear in the representation of their relationship. It’s actually quite impressive how Lucasfilm was able to do so much with their relationship with such little time in Episode VIII. Plus, the film left off with an open ending as to whether Ben will remain on the Dark Side, or return to the Light.

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Zachary VIII said:

A Reylo type relationship required Kylo to be less evil in TFA and for Rey to join Kylo in TLJ. It’s infeasible to squeeze it into IX at this point with how the previous 2 films have been.

Well, they almost joined in TLJ, but if the story as a whole is supposed to end with them together that can’t happen before the last movie. Romantic stories usually has some kind of trouble in the middle that is overcome by the end, so it could happen in IX. Of course Kylo has done some unforgivable things, but I would say things are pointing toward some kind of redemption in the end which would make a Reylo relationship of some kind more “okay” even though it is of course problematic in many ways. But that’s what makes it interesting as well, it’s not obvious what will happen and how it will be dealt with.

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I’m not that against the idea. I just don’t think it’s marketable to put the main hero in a relationship with the villain that killed Han Solo and was the primary antagonist of the previous 2 films. It’s not impossible, but there has to be a good reason to go in that direction, and it would piss off a lot of people.

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Zachary VIII said:

I’m not that against the idea. I just don’t think it’s marketable to put the main hero in a relationship with the villain that killed Han Solo and was the primary antagonist of the previous 2 films. It’s not impossible, but there has to be a good reason to go in that direction, and it would piss off a lot of people.

Luke still forgave his father for the past twenty years of disaster and chaos he committed. Even Padmé forgave her husband for what he had done before she died. I believe that Ben regrets killing his father. The audience is supposed to view him in the same way Rey does. Feel more sympathy with him and hope that he will return from the Dark Side.

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Yeah, arguably one of the biggest themes of the entire saga is redemption. And I think with redemption also comes to question of forgiveness.

Both Darth Vader and Kylo Ren have done terrible things, but I think a big part of Vader’s atonement was his son forgiving him for what he did. Leia struggled with ever being able to forgive her father for what he did, and now she is ironically having to come to terms with that in the form of her own son.

I think an optimistic theme of these films is that it should never be too late for someone to do the right thing. To turn back. Obviously the question of forgiveness has been debated for ages by politicians, philosophers and religious leaders. But I think for Star Wars, it definitely does take the route of even the most evil people are capable of being forgiven for their sins.

And regardless of your own opinions regarding forgiveness, we have to acknowledge that the evil acts committed by those who are later redeemed in these films are sort of exagerrated for drama. Darth Vader murdered countless people, even children, but this is a fairy tale, so we shouldn’t equate his atonement to that of a mass murderer in real life. These horrible acts within the story are meant to be analogous to the common mistakes people make in everyday lives.

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. It was romantic love in the prequels that tore the galaxy apart. And I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

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RogueLeader said:

Yeah, arguably one of the biggest themes of the entire saga is redemption. And I think with redemption also comes to question of forgiveness.

Both Darth Vader and Kylo Ren have done terrible things, but I think a big part of Vader’s atonement was his son forgiving him for what he did. Leia struggled with ever being able to forgive her father for what he did, and now she is ironically having to come to terms with that in the form of her own son.

I think an optimistic theme of these films is that it should never be too late for someone to do the right thing. To turn back. Obviously the question of forgiveness has been debated for ages by politicians, philosophers and religious leaders. But I think for Star Wars, it definitely does take the route of even the most evil people are capable of being forgiven for their sins.

And regardless of your own opinions regarding forgiveness, we have to acknowledge that the evil acts committed by those who are later redeemed in these films are sort of exagerrated for drama. Darth Vader murdered countless people, even children, but this is a fairy tale, so we shouldn’t equate his atonement to that of a mass murderer in real life. These horrible acts within the story are meant to be analogous to the common mistakes people make in everyday lives.

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. It was romantic love in the prequels that tore the galaxy apart. And I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

“You know it’s like poetry. They rhyme.”

George Lucas, 1997

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RogueLeader said:

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. It was romantic love in the prequels that tore the galaxy apart. And I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

Maybe if they released it today, but for late December my money’s on The True Meaning of Christmas.

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RogueLeader said:

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

It’s a theory I’ve heard often (even literally my mom said this was her theory after she saw TLJ) and while I don’t have anything against it, personally I’d be surprised if it happens in an explicit “Rey and Ben are a romantic pair and will live happily ever after” way.

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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

It’s a theory I’ve heard often (even literally my mom said this was her theory after she saw TLJ) and while I don’t have anything against it, personally I’d be surprised if it happens in an explicit “Rey and Ben are a romantic pair and will live happily ever after” way.

I doubt it will happen. Other than that scene where Rey and Kylo touch hands, the rest of the sequel trilogy seems weirdly asexual to me, at least in the traditional sense. Like it’s something that purposely being tiptoed around.

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pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

It’s a theory I’ve heard often (even literally my mom said this was her theory after she saw TLJ) and while I don’t have anything against it, personally I’d be surprised if it happens in an explicit “Rey and Ben are a romantic pair and will live happily ever after” way.

I doubt it will happen. Other than that scene where Rey and Kylo touch hands, the rest of the sequel trilogy seems weirdly asexual to me, at least in the traditional sense. Like it’s something that purposely being tiptoed around.

Rose kissing Finn was asexual?

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