I don’t care that it’s part of a larger universe, I care that unless you followed the exact right part of that universe it makes zero sense, and that’s the case for a large majority of the people that watched this movie I’d bet.
I don’t care that it’s part of a larger universe, I care that unless you followed the exact right part of that universe it makes zero sense, and that’s the case for a large majority of the people that watched this movie I’d bet.
I get that. I’m just saying that nowadays they expect you to; either know Maul is alive in advance, be motivated to go watch the cartoons, simply google it, or just wait and see what potentially happens in the following movies.
Love it or hate it, that’s just how movie franchises work now, they follow comic-rules.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
I hope in Solo 2 we see Maul hover around with a double-bladed helicopter lightsaber.
What? It’s no more silly than bringing him back in the first place.
Better yet, he can detach from his legs and hover about on a coptersaber attached to his waist stump.
I don’t care that it’s part of a larger universe, I care that unless you followed the exact right part of that universe it makes zero sense, and that’s the case for a large majority of the people that watched this movie I’d bet.
I get that. I’m just saying that nowadays they expect you to; either know Maul is alive in advance, be motivated to go watch the cartoons, simply google it, or just wait and see what potentially happens in the following movies.
Love it or hate it, that’s just how movie franchises work now, they follow comic-rules.
And that’s why I don’t enjoy modern comics.
I don’t care that it’s part of a larger universe, I care that unless you followed the exact right part of that universe it makes zero sense, and that’s the case for a large majority of the people that watched this movie I’d bet.
I get that. I’m just saying that nowadays they expect you to; either know Maul is alive in advance, be motivated to go watch the cartoons, simply google it, or just wait and see what potentially happens in the following movies.
Love it or hate it, that’s just how movie franchises work now, they follow comic-rules.
And that’s why I don’t enjoy modern comics.
Modern? They’ve always been like that.
A DC comic from f.ex. the late 70’s wouldn’t have any qualms about suddenly reintroducing some random villain from the 50’s and just expect you to accept it. And Marvel does this all the time. A story I read recently from the early 90’s made a bunch of references to a story from the early 60’s. And there was no wikipedia back then.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
I think we just have to get used to the fact that movie-franchises are made differently now. They are part of larger continuities, and SW in particular now has a commitment to a larger expanded universe. Lucas may not have cared (though even the PT had EU connections), now however, the EU and the movies are strongly connected. RO tried a milder version of it with Saw, and now Solo has fully committed to it. I think Lucasfilm knows that they can’t do exactly what the MCU does (e.g. making three or so movies a year), so they’ve committed to EU connections instead.
And if this whole Maul thing bugs too many people they can always “fix” it by making him a larger part of a future anthology films. Yes there’s no official plans for it right now, but they’ve opened that door now. I don’t see this becoming a huge problem, especially with younger audiences (it’s easy to forget that the post PT generation(s) actually likes Maul), but if it does they can still “salvage” it in many different ways. Like Silverwook said; Thanos wasn’t know by everyone watching the Avengers (or GOTG, etc.), yet it eventually paid off and those who hadn’t read the comics accepted it. Lucasfilm can still do a similar thing.
I was 13 when TPM was released, and liked Maul plenty. The problem is the retconned survival for the purposes of character recognition. Since Maul was killed (for real?) in Rebels yet again at the hand of Obi-wan, there was no reason to bring him back at all.
Now we are told to care about a character retconned back into existence by a children’s TV show who is destined to die in a pointless attempt at vengeance in another children’s TV show. It may come across that I’m annoyed by this decision by Disney, but that would imply some sort of emotional investment in Maul’s story.
People keep comparing this to Marvel and comics in general, when Star Wars isn’t the same sort of story. At its most pulpy it’s a serialized space adventure, but the original film has more in common with Kurosawa than with Stan Lee.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
I think we just have to get used to the fact that movie-franchises are made differently now. They are part of larger continuities, and SW in particular now has a commitment to a larger expanded universe. Lucas may not have cared (though even the PT had EU connections), now however, the EU and the movies are strongly connected. RO tried a milder version of it with Saw, and now Solo has fully committed to it. I think Lucasfilm knows that they can’t do exactly what the MCU does (e.g. making three or so movies a year), so they’ve committed to EU connections instead.
And if this whole Maul thing bugs too many people they can always “fix” it by making him a larger part of a future anthology films. Yes there’s no official plans for it right now, but they’ve opened that door now. I don’t see this becoming a huge problem, especially with younger audiences (it’s easy to forget that the post PT generation(s) actually likes Maul), but if it does they can still “salvage” it in many different ways. Like Silverwook said; Thanos wasn’t know by everyone watching the Avengers (or GOTG, etc.), yet it eventually paid off and those who hadn’t read the comics accepted it. Lucasfilm can still do a similar thing.
I was 13 when TPM was released, and liked Maul plenty. The problem is the retconned survival for the purposes of character recognition. Since Maul was killed (for real?) in Rebels yet again at the hand of Obi-wan, there was no reason to bring him back at all.
Now we are told to care about a character retconned back into existence by a children’s TV show who is destined to die in a pointless attempt at vengeance in another children’s TV show. It may come across that I’m annoyed by this decision by Disney, but that would imply some sort of emotional investment in Maul’s story.
People keep comparing this to Marvel and comics in general, when Star Wars isn’t the same sort of story. At its most pulpy it’s a serialized space adventure, but the original film has more in common with Kurosawa than with Stan Lee.
Yeah, but Lucas aren’t making the films anymore. He’s essentially handed the franchise over to the EU writers, and they are now making EU-movies in addition to the books and comics.
That’s what I’m trying to say, it’s simply a different kind of franchise now.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
I don’t care that it’s part of a larger universe, I care that unless you followed the exact right part of that universe it makes zero sense, and that’s the case for a large majority of the people that watched this movie I’d bet.
I get that. I’m just saying that nowadays they expect you to; either know Maul is alive in advance, be motivated to go watch the cartoons, simply google it, or just wait and see what potentially happens in the following movies.
Love it or hate it, that’s just how movie franchises work now, they follow comic-rules.
And that’s why I don’t enjoy modern comics.
Modern? They’ve always been like that.
A DC comic from f.ex. the late 70’s wouldn’t have any qualms about suddenly reintroducing some random villain from the 50’s and just expect you to accept it.
Many pre-Copper Age comics — at least, the ones I’ve read by Marvel — gave short recaps/flashbacks/editor’s notes bringing readers up to speed on recent history/character backstories/etc.
And Marvel does this all the time. A story I read recently from the early 90’s made a bunch of references to a story from the early 60’s. And there was no wikipedia back then.
Yeah, '90s. The “fan’s only” mentality had already set in by that time.
Apparently there was originally a scene of Han at the flight academy (according to Wookiepedia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tag_Greenley/Canon).
Tag and Bink were there, so an entire scene at the academy was filmed. I really hope they decide to include the deleted scenes on the Blu-ray.
I think we just have to get used to the fact that movie-franchises are made differently now. They are part of larger continuities, and SW in particular now has a commitment to a larger expanded universe. Lucas may not have cared (though even the PT had EU connections), now however, the EU and the movies are strongly connected. RO tried a milder version of it with Saw, and now Solo has fully committed to it. I think Lucasfilm knows that they can’t do exactly what the MCU does (e.g. making three or so movies a year), so they’ve committed to EU connections instead.
And if this whole Maul thing bugs too many people they can always “fix” it by making him a larger part of a future anthology films. Yes there’s no official plans for it right now, but they’ve opened that door now. I don’t see this becoming a huge problem, especially with younger audiences (it’s easy to forget that the post PT generation(s) actually likes Maul), but if it does they can still “salvage” it in many different ways. Like Silverwook said; Thanos wasn’t know by everyone watching the Avengers (or GOTG, etc.), yet it eventually paid off and those who hadn’t read the comics accepted it. Lucasfilm can still do a similar thing.
I was 13 when TPM was released, and liked Maul plenty. The problem is the retconned survival for the purposes of character recognition. Since Maul was killed (for real?) in Rebels yet again at the hand of Obi-wan, there was no reason to bring him back at all.
Now we are told to care about a character retconned back into existence by a children’s TV show who is destined to die in a pointless attempt at vengeance in another children’s TV show. It may come across that I’m annoyed by this decision by Disney, but that would imply some sort of emotional investment in Maul’s story.
People keep comparing this to Marvel and comics in general, when Star Wars isn’t the same sort of story. At its most pulpy it’s a serialized space adventure, but the original film has more in common with Kurosawa than with Stan Lee.
Don’t forget the Flash Gordon serials. Ming the Merciless came back from certain death more than once.
Where were you in '77?
I think we just have to get used to the fact that movie-franchises are made differently now. They are part of larger continuities, and SW in particular now has a commitment to a larger expanded universe. Lucas may not have cared (though even the PT had EU connections), now however, the EU and the movies are strongly connected. RO tried a milder version of it with Saw, and now Solo has fully committed to it. I think Lucasfilm knows that they can’t do exactly what the MCU does (e.g. making three or so movies a year), so they’ve committed to EU connections instead.
And if this whole Maul thing bugs too many people they can always “fix” it by making him a larger part of a future anthology films. Yes there’s no official plans for it right now, but they’ve opened that door now. I don’t see this becoming a huge problem, especially with younger audiences (it’s easy to forget that the post PT generation(s) actually likes Maul), but if it does they can still “salvage” it in many different ways. Like Silverwook said; Thanos wasn’t know by everyone watching the Avengers (or GOTG, etc.), yet it eventually paid off and those who hadn’t read the comics accepted it. Lucasfilm can still do a similar thing.
I was 13 when TPM was released, and liked Maul plenty. The problem is the retconned survival for the purposes of character recognition. Since Maul was killed (for real?) in Rebels yet again at the hand of Obi-wan, there was no reason to bring him back at all.
Now we are told to care about a character retconned back into existence by a children’s TV show who is destined to die in a pointless attempt at vengeance in another children’s TV show. It may come across that I’m annoyed by this decision by Disney, but that would imply some sort of emotional investment in Maul’s story.
People keep comparing this to Marvel and comics in general, when Star Wars isn’t the same sort of story. At its most pulpy it’s a serialized space adventure, but the original film has more in common with Kurosawa than with Stan Lee.
Don’t forget the Flash Gordon serials. Ming the Merciless came back from certain death more than once.
Indeed. But I think we can agree that whatever the inspiration, Star Wars is a wee bit more sophisticated than that. Well, that’s what I had assumed anyway…
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I had read that George Lucas apparently came on set one day while Ron Howard was filming and actually gave a little direction for Han. Apparently George said something like, “Why doesn’t Han just do this?”
For some reason, I really feel like this moment was when Han kicked the Kessel guard in the nuts. Maybe it originally was something more elaborate. They even have Qi’ra and Beckett acknowledge it by saying, “That was pretty good.” I’m probably wrong but that just felt like something George would’ve suggested.
I don’t care that it’s part of a larger universe, I care that unless you followed the exact right part of that universe it makes zero sense, and that’s the case for a large majority of the people that watched this movie I’d bet.
Like I said earlier, Maul being resurrected in TCW makes zero sense too, so seeing the show only serves to let you have the “what the hell” reaction outside the theater. Saying they’re expecting you to have seen the cartoon isn’t really true.
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I had read that George Lucas apparently came on set one day while Ron Howard was filming and actually gave a little direction for Han. Apparently George said something like, “Why doesn’t Han just do this?”
For some reason, I really feel like this moment was when Han kicked the Kessel guard in the nuts. Maybe it originally was something more elaborate. They even have Qi’ra and Beckett acknowledge it by saying, “That was pretty good.” I’m probably wrong but that just felt like something George would’ve suggested.
Nope, during the scene in Lando’s closet Han drops the cape on the floor instead of hanging it up. It’s actually a really nicely done little beat by Alden and it’s very Han.
actually , George Lucas did direct the closet scene…http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/05/22/star-wars-han-solo-movie-george-lucas-directing/ not the kick in the nuts though
That’s what I just said.
Sorry , I caught that on re reading it .must be the Ambien.
Reminds me of how he directed a small scene in Empire, and did quite a few takes.
Maybe with the burden of running Lucasfilm off his back, he could have fun making a movie again? I’d like to see the George who made THX 1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars '77 reappear.
Where were you in '77?
Sorry , I caught that on re reading it .must be the Ambien.
Rosanne sock confirmed.
Nope, during the scene in Lando’s closet Han drops the cape on the floor instead of hanging it up. It’s actually a really nicely done little beat by Alden and it’s very Han.
Cool, thanks for sharing that. That’s a lot more subtle, I like it.
Reminds me of how he directed a small scene in Empire, and did quite a few takes.
To be clear, Lucas didn’t direct the scene in Solo, he just gave a direction.
Reminds me of how he directed a small scene in Empire, and did quite a few takes.
To be clear, Lucas didn’t direct the scene in Solo, he just gave a direction.
Oh, well, that’s very different!
Where were you in '77?
Interview with the man behind the Wookiee.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/17387164/chewbacca-actor-joonas-suotamo-interview-wookiee-mask-behind-the-scenes-solo-star-wars-story
Where were you in '77?
That was a fun read. I’ve been amazed at how well the new guy has been able to portray the character of Chewbacca. I honestly can’t tell the difference between him and Peter Mayhew when they’re onscreen. I remember an anecdote from filming ESB when Mayhew was out sick for a few days. They hired a stand in to fill the suit so they could continue filming. When they got the dailies back, they had to scrap all the footage because it was so obviously NOT Chewbacca! All that’s to say what a great job I think the Suotamo is doing.
I got to meet Peter Mayhew (and get his autograph) about 10 years ago at SDCC which was really cool. He was very affable and entertaining. I hope I can likewise meet Joonas Suotamo at a con someday. He seems like a genuinely nice guy too.
Yeah, that incident was in the original making of ESB book. Mayhew had a stand-in but was usually used for long shots, back to the camera, etc.
Where were you in '77?