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Solo: A Star Wars Story — Official Review and Opinions Thread — SPOILERS — Page 9

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I also want to hit on how Han Solo really has no consistent development in the movie. I did not see a big arc for him in the movie. And when he said “No, I’m a terrible person”, I was just flabbergasted. The whole exchange there was trying to paint Han Solo in this jaded anti-hero way, when really, in the context of his actions in Solo, there is absolutely no reason to see him as anything else than a good guy. Not even close to an anti-hero, or the roguish, jaded Han Solo that we meet in A New Hope. It felt like the movie was trying to shove it down our throats that yeah, Han Solo is jaded and not a good person!

And how stupid is it that Solo is basically the one who helped jumpstart the Rebellion at the end of the movie.

Sorry for my complaining, I genuinely understand how people enjoyed it, but many aspects of how they dealt with Solo as a character felt off to me. I’d love to hear how some of you guys interpreted things differently from me.

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darthrush said:

I also want to hit on how Han Solo really has no consistent development in the movie. I did not see a big arc for him in the movie. And when he said “No, I’m a terrible person”, I was just flabbergasted. The whole exchange there was trying to paint Han Solo in this jaded anti-hero way, when really, in the context of his actions in Solo, there is absolutely no reason to see him as anything else than a good guy. Not even close to an anti-hero, or the roguish, jaded Han Solo that we meet in A New Hope. It felt like the movie was trying to shove it down our throats that yeah, Han Solo is jaded and not a good person!

And how stupid is it that Solo is basically the one who helped jumpstart the Rebellion at the end of the movie.

Sorry for my complaining, I genuinely understand how people enjoyed it, but many aspects of how they dealt with Solo as a character felt off to me. I’d love to hear how some of you guys interpreted things differently from me.

That’s like one of my major issues, Han bounced back and forth from coward to Mr smug dude but never actually developed or changed, to be honest I think the most dynamic character was Chewie!

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darthrush said:

I also want to hit on how Han Solo really has no consistent development in the movie. I did not see a big arc for him in the movie. And when he said “No, I’m a terrible person”, I was just flabbergasted. The whole exchange there was trying to paint Han Solo in this jaded anti-hero way, when really, in the context of his actions in Solo, there is absolutely no reason to see him as anything else than a good guy. Not even close to an anti-hero, or the roguish, jaded Han Solo that we meet in A New Hope. It felt like the movie was trying to shove it down our throats that yeah, Han Solo is jaded and not a good person!

And how stupid is it that Solo is basically the one who helped jumpstart the Rebellion at the end of the movie.

Sorry for my complaining, I genuinely understand how people enjoyed it, but many aspects of how they dealt with Solo as a character felt off to me. I’d love to hear how some of you guys interpreted things differently from me.

You misread what was going on. The movie wasn’t trying to paint him as a jaded outlaw, he was. In the text of the film he’s basically trying hard to be Han Solo, that’s the point. But he’s not there yet.

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Solo gets an A- on CinemaScore, which sounds pretty good but I guess it’s the lowest grade they’ve ever given a Star Wars film? (I don’t think I understand CinemaScore)

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how on earth can an A be the lowest they have ever rated a star wars?

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as far as i can tell, cinemascore is “does it draw in crowds in some places?”

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I liked it. Didn’t love it. It was okay. Good even. Was a bit too long but it was definitely worth the time. That’s about all I can come up with.

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dahmage said:

how on earth can an A be the lowest they have ever rated a star wars?

It’s not. All three prequels got A-. Clone Wars got B-.

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Smithers said:

That’s like one of my major issues, Han bounced back and forth from coward to Mr smug dude but never actually developed or changed…

I didn’t mind that because that’s how he was at the start of ANH, his arc is there, not here.

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DZ-330 said:

Smithers said:

That’s like one of my major issues, Han bounced back and forth from coward to Mr smug dude but never actually developed or changed…

I didn’t mind that because that’s how he was at the start of ANH, his arc is there, not here.

If he only has an arc in the next movie then why would you make this one? Like I’m not saying he should have the same arc twice but he has to be well written for the movie to work, right?

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That’s why it shouldn’t have been a “Solo” movie…

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Smithers said:

DZ-330 said:

Smithers said:

That’s like one of my major issues, Han bounced back and forth from coward to Mr smug dude but never actually developed or changed…

I didn’t mind that because that’s how he was at the start of ANH, his arc is there, not here.

If he only has an arc in the next movie then why would you make this one? Like I’m not saying he should have the same arc twice but he has to be well written for the movie to work, right?

Agreed. I’m sorry but I kind of need to see our lead character have a well developed arc for me to be invested in the movie and I felt nothing with this Han in Solo.

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So, what did you guys about the strangest cameo in this movie? No, I’m not talking about Darth Maul, I’m talking about Clint Howard.

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darthrush said:

I also want to hit on how Han Solo really has no consistent development in the movie. I did not see a big arc for him in the movie. And when he said “No, I’m a terrible person”, I was just flabbergasted. The whole exchange there was trying to paint Han Solo in this jaded anti-hero way, when really, in the context of his actions in Solo, there is absolutely no reason to see him as anything else than a good guy. Not even close to an anti-hero, or the roguish, jaded Han Solo that we meet in A New Hope. It felt like the movie was trying to shove it down our throats that yeah, Han Solo is jaded and not a good person!

Yeah, my biggest complaint about the story: it’s not about Solo, it’s about some random dude called Solo by a random imperial recruiter who pretends to be Solo but who’s so deeply in love and so good inside that he can’t be Solo… but he tries to be “bad”, “rogue” and “scoundrel”. There is no way this guy becomes the Solo I know from the OT. Being on the edge isn’t part of the Solo seen in Solo. It feels forced and unatural. He’s more a young Starlord than a young Solo.

So, as a “young Solo” flick, it doesn’t work for me. Sadly, as a “space op action flick set in the SW universe”, it doesn’t work either (the dumb story is a mess - ridiculous plot twists -, characters aren’t interesting, the cinematography is off with an ugly brownish look, I find the humor very childish… and it’s even a bigger mess when compared to the OT !).

Music is good though, it’s still something 😄 (and Chewie is cool… but Chewie is always cool, no matter what)

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pittrek said:

So, what did you guys about the strangest cameo in this movie? No, I’m not talking about Darth Maul, I’m talking about Clint Howard.

I think he was great

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Han is naive in this film. He’s had a hard life but he thinks being a thief is great and the life will be glamorous. As this film progresses, he learns that you can lose the ones you love, you can die alone, the people you trust can betray you and other people in the galaxy are suffering too. I imagine that if there is a sequel, he will be broken and jaded somehow by Q’ra. She will either be killed by Maul or betray Han to the point where he doesn’t trust women or “sticks his neck out for no one”.

There is growth in this film. It just doesn’t hit you over the head with sweeping orchestra and slow motion realization.

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Also, I think part of loved this film so much is there weren’t major consequences. Unlike the ST, there is no second guessing the direction they are taking the series or what they are doing with the character. Everything was true to character and the story was fun, exciting and didn’t massively impact the galaxy as a whole but still had room to tell more!

Perfect for a summer spinoff.

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Hardcore Legend said:

Han is naive in this film. He’s had a hard life but he thinks being a thief is great and the life will be glamorous. As this film progresses, he learns that you can lose the ones you love, you can die alone, the people you trust can betray you and other people in the galaxy are suffering too. I imagine that if there is a sequel, he will be broken and jaded somehow by Q’ra. She will either be killed by Maul or betray Han to the point where he doesn’t trust women or “sticks his neck out for no one”.

There is growth in this film. It just doesn’t hit you over the head with sweeping orchestra and slow motion realization.

Yeah, but considering this film takes place only a few years before ANH that doesn’t really make sense. Han’s portrayed as this naive good guy who wants to be a rogue, and has a generally very optimistic outlook on life, despite growing up in harsh circumstances. This doesn’t seem all that consistent with the jaded cynic, and opportunist we met in ANH. That guy seems to have had a very tough life, literally fighting for survival his entire life only relying on himself, and Chewie. Now, it seems Han was a good guy all along, a self-confident optimist who apparently just had the blues over his former lover when we meet him in ANH. While Solo is entertaining that doesn’t really add to Han’s arc in the OT for me, in fact it diminishes it to an extend by softening the character more explicitely than Greedo shooting first ever did.

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DrDre said:

Hardcore Legend said:

Han is naive in this film. He’s had a hard life but he thinks being a thief is great and the life will be glamorous. As this film progresses, he learns that you can lose the ones you love, you can die alone, the people you trust can betray you and other people in the galaxy are suffering too. I imagine that if there is a sequel, he will be broken and jaded somehow by Q’ra. She will either be killed by Maul or betray Han to the point where he doesn’t trust women or “sticks his neck out for no one”.

There is growth in this film. It just doesn’t hit you over the head with sweeping orchestra and slow motion realization.

this film takes place only a few years before ANH

I think it takes place about 15-10 years before ANH

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People change a ton in 10 to 12 years. Especially from their 20s to 30s. I don’t see the problem.

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darthrush said:

Smithers said:

DZ-330 said:

Smithers said:

That’s like one of my major issues, Han bounced back and forth from coward to Mr smug dude but never actually developed or changed…

I didn’t mind that because that’s how he was at the start of ANH, his arc is there, not here.

If he only has an arc in the next movie then why would you make this one? Like I’m not saying he should have the same arc twice but he has to be well written for the movie to work, right?

Agreed. I’m sorry but I kind of need to see our lead character have a well developed arc for me to be invested in the movie and I felt nothing with this Han in Solo.

It seems to me that complaints of this type usually come down to feelings, I didn’t feel this or I didn’t get that. Which is fine, that’s your right, but it seems to me that you’re kinda ignoring stuff that’s actually in the film because of it.

Basically like this:

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darthrush said:

I also want to hit on how Han Solo really has no consistent development in the movie. I did not see a big arc for him in the movie. And when he said “No, I’m a terrible person”, I was just flabbergasted. The whole exchange there was trying to paint Han Solo in this jaded anti-hero way, when really, in the context of his actions in Solo, there is absolutely no reason to see him as anything else than a good guy. Not even close to an anti-hero, or the roguish, jaded Han Solo that we meet in A New Hope. It felt like the movie was trying to shove it down our throats that yeah, Han Solo is jaded and not a good person!

And how stupid is it that Solo is basically the one who helped jumpstart the Rebellion at the end of the movie.

Sorry for my complaining, I genuinely understand how people enjoyed it, but many aspects of how they dealt with Solo as a character felt off to me. I’d love to hear how some of you guys interpreted things differently from me.

You misread what was going on. The movie wasn’t trying to paint him as a jaded outlaw, he was. In the text of the film he’s basically trying hard to be Han Solo, that’s the point. But he’s not there yet.

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Hardcore Legend said:

Han is naive in this film. He’s had a hard life but he thinks being a thief is great and the life will be glamorous. As this film progresses, he learns that you can lose the ones you love, you can die alone, the people you trust can betray you and other people in the galaxy are suffering too. I imagine that if there is a sequel, he will be broken and jaded somehow by Q’ra. She will either be killed by Maul or betray Han to the point where he doesn’t trust women or “sticks his neck out for no one”.

There is growth in this film. It just doesn’t hit you over the head with sweeping orchestra and slow motion realization.

Yep.

TV’s Frink said:

People change a ton in 10 to 12 years. Especially from their 20s to 30s. I don’t see the problem.

Exactly. Look at Luke in ANH vs ROTJ (and that’s only 4 years).

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TV’s Frink said:

People change a ton in 10 to 12 years. Especially from their 20s to 30s. I don’t see the problem.

Perhaps, but for a film titled Solo the film doesn’t provide Han with enough of an arc to really justify its existence beyond some entertainment value, which for many may be enough, I guess. If I didn’t know about the OT, the Han Solo we meet in Solo doesn’t seem all that interesting of a character to me be honest. Like for RO Solo offers rather flat characterization for most of its characters (with Qi’ra seemingly having the most potential), but where RO could at least draw from the drama stakes, and spectacle unfolding on a galaxy wide scale, Solo doesn’t have that luxery. Its story is entertaining, but doesn’t really rise above the level of an average Star Wars Rebels episode with a set of generally likable characters performing a largely inconsequential mission, except with much higher production values. I guess my biggest criticism against this film is, that the stakes are low, making it pretty forgettable. In my view a Star Wars movie should have high stakes, if not on a larger scale, then on a more personal level. I didn’t get that from this movie, leaving me entertained, but underwhelmed.