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Hal 9000 said:

MalàStrana said:

The “put a cowl” line is also the opposite of a latent sexuality since it clearly denies it. I thought it was a very clever removal.

What better way to include latent sexuality than by ‘clearly’ denying it? 😉

I found that Rey looking elsewhere was enough clue about that, the line is just talkative obviousness. Not a dealbreaker for me anyway if you keep it. Less Canto Bright, no caretakers and less Hux jokes are the 3 things I’m looking for to consider watching a fanedited version, and all are already in your first cut intentions so it’s cool for me. The rest is bonus as long as it doesn’t look/sound fanedited.

I think this edit will be a fairly lightweight one.

Good idea. I estimate that a reduced lengthtime of 15 minutes should be quite enough.

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darthrush said:

MalàStrana said:

darthrush said:

Your not alone on removing the solo Hux/Snoke scene Mala.

You’ve always been my favorite Darth aroud here, and you know it 😄

How kind of you. Here is the removal of the Hux/Snoke scene if you or Hal are interested, (https://vimeo.com/266610914)

Interesting and very well done, but wouldn’t it be better for continuity to keep the beginning part of the scene, “Snoke is making contact” and then cut to the Resistance fleet ?
(your take on it is anyway 1000% better than the ridiculous theatrical version)

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Possessed said:

chyron8472 said:

Please recolor Holdo’s ridiculous hair. This is Star Wars, not Hunger Games.

Yes and everybody in star wars looks normal and like a natural person you’d see who didn’t do anything to alter their own appearance!

People in Star Wars generally look normal for their contextual environment. Holdo is on a Resistance capital ship fleeing the First Order. She’s not on Canto Bight. And no other human in Star Wars canon bothers to dye their hair wild colors. Why she would dye her hair purple as well as pile her hair into that crazy hairspray-intensive hairdo, while in the circumstance she faces, makes no sense.

Recoloring her hair to a normal shade would make her more believable in such a serious situation.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Hal 9000 said:

The milking scene is still in; I loved that right away and wouldn’t want to remove it. This film has a lot of latent sexuality, in keeping with Star Wars. That’s also why I will be re-adding Rey asking Kylo to put something on when he is shirtless; it helps set up their “touching hands” scene.

Aw, damn, I really hated both of those bits…

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ChainsawAsh said:

Hal 9000 said:

The milking scene is still in; I loved that right away and wouldn’t want to remove it. This film has a lot of latent sexuality, in keeping with Star Wars. That’s also why I will be re-adding Rey asking Kylo to put something on when he is shirtless; it helps set up their “touching hands” scene.

Aw, damn, I really hated both of those bits…

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chyron8472 said:

Possessed said:

Yes and everybody in star wars looks normal and like a natural person you’d see who didn’t do anything to alter their own appearance!

People in Star Wars generally look normal for their contextual environment. Holdo is on a Resistance capital ship fleeing the First Order. She’s not on Canto Bight. And no other human in Star Wars canon bothers to dye their hair wild colors. Why she would dye her hair purple as well as pile her hair into that crazy hairspray-intensive hairdo, while in the circumstance she faces makes no sense.

Recoloring her hair to a normal shade would make her more believable in such a serious situation.

Looking like she belongs with the fat cat weapons dealers is kind of the point though. Poe (and the audience) don’t trust her because she doesn’t feel like a part of the Resistance. If she were just another commander, would we have bought Poe becoming mutinous?

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I have not watched the video YET, but based on just the comments and topics:

Leaf Joke - YES, please reinstitute that. I thought it was clever and true to his character.

Rose Line - If there is a possible way to alter/trim and do whatever in a seamless way, then yes do something with it. However, if it looks to “fan-edity” then keep it.

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chyron8472 said:

Possessed said:

chyron8472 said:

Please recolor Holdo’s ridiculous hair. This is Star Wars, not Hunger Games.

Yes and everybody in star wars looks normal and like a natural person you’d see who didn’t do anything to alter their own appearance!

People in Star Wars generally look normal for their contextual environment. Holdo is on a Resistance capital ship fleeing the First Order. She’s not on Canto Bight. And no other human in Star Wars canon bothers to dye their hair wild colors. Why she would dye her hair purple as well as pile her hair into that crazy hairspray-intensive hairdo, while in the circumstance she faces makes no sense.

Recoloring her hair to a normal shade would make her more believable in such a serious situation.

Yeah but it sadly wouldn’t change Laura Dern performance, who is often terrible in TLJ (the sad/angry eyes she makes… gosh…). About her, is removing the weird meta joke with Leia (“may the Fo… oh, say it !”) on the table ?

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MalàStrana said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Hal 9000 said:

The milking scene is still in; I loved that right away and wouldn’t want to remove it. This film has a lot of latent sexuality, in keeping with Star Wars. That’s also why I will be re-adding Rey asking Kylo to put something on when he is shirtless; it helps set up their “touching hands” scene.

Aw, damn, I really hated both of those bits…

ChainsawAsh, to convince Hal9000 is the power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

Both are removed in my edit. Not trying to advertise anything in Hal’s thread but combining elements of different edits is always an option.

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darthrush said:

MalàStrana said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Hal 9000 said:

The milking scene is still in; I loved that right away and wouldn’t want to remove it. This film has a lot of latent sexuality, in keeping with Star Wars. That’s also why I will be re-adding Rey asking Kylo to put something on when he is shirtless; it helps set up their “touching hands” scene.

Aw, damn, I really hated both of those bits…

ChainsawAsh, to convince Hal9000 is the power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

Both are removed in my edit. Not trying to advertise anything in Hal’s thread but combining elements of different edits is always an option.

Yeah, this might be the thing that gets me to get off my ass and make my own TLJ edit. Which will, of course, lead to me making my own edits of the rest…

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NeverarGreat said:

chyron8472 said:

Possessed said:

Yes and everybody in star wars looks normal and like a natural person you’d see who didn’t do anything to alter their own appearance!

People in Star Wars generally look normal for their contextual environment. Holdo is on a Resistance capital ship fleeing the First Order. She’s not on Canto Bight. And no other human in Star Wars canon bothers to dye their hair wild colors. Why she would dye her hair purple as well as pile her hair into that crazy hairspray-intensive hairdo, while in the circumstance she faces makes no sense.

Recoloring her hair to a normal shade would make her more believable in such a serious situation.

If she were just another commander, would we have bought Poe becoming mutinous?

That’s on Poe, not Holdo. Poe is trigger happy and has problems answering to anyone but himself. He didn’t obey Leia’s orders either to stand down from calling in the bombing run, so it’s not about Holdo. Poe complains about them not telling him the plan, but he doesn’t need to know the reasoning behind orders in order to follow them. That’s not how the military works. Plus, if you read the novelization, Leia discusses with Poe on the shuttle that they were purposefully trying to tell as few people as necessary. Poe does what he wants, including that he likely wouldn’t keep his mouth shut if he didn’t think it necessary.

That’s why he’s a good pilot but a bad commander.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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ChainsawAsh said:

darthrush said:

MalàStrana said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Hal 9000 said:

The milking scene is still in; I loved that right away and wouldn’t want to remove it. This film has a lot of latent sexuality, in keeping with Star Wars. That’s also why I will be re-adding Rey asking Kylo to put something on when he is shirtless; it helps set up their “touching hands” scene.

Aw, damn, I really hated both of those bits…

ChainsawAsh, to convince Hal9000 is the power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

Both are removed in my edit. Not trying to advertise anything in Hal’s thread but combining elements of different edits is always an option.

Yeah, this might be the thing that gets me to get off my ass and make my own TLJ edit. Which will, of course, lead to me making my own edits of the rest…

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Hal 9000 said:

What do you all think about potentially reinstating two things?

The leaf/reed scene - Luke is sardonic, and it fits in with his character, makes the point the scene is going for that Rey doesn’t know the first thing about the Force, and is a genuinely funny moment. With the surrounding caretaker humor gone, maybe this one is worth keeping.

I’d be fine with keeping it.

“…not about fighting what we hate, saving what we love.” - This line sucks, but perhaps it’s worth it to cap off the Finn and Rose plot’s point. It harkens back to the opening act, and shows her (dumb) growth throughout the movie. I do not like the line. But… eh?

For the love of the Force, no. People literally laughed out loud in the theater when she said that line.

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Hal 9000 said:

I’d be interested. What’d you post? There are thousands of comments.

Here is my post on that thread:
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1201956/action/topic#1201956

Some thoughts on your workprint.
Early on, it is a little noticeable how Finn just randomly says, “I’m not a Resistance hero” even though Rose never calls him that. Yeah, she says, "THE Finn”, but she could’ve meant, “Yeah, the First Order traitor, Finn!” I do like the idea of cutting the “breathe” line, but I wonder if more of what Rose says could be kept.

I believe the box Luke sits on at Crait still moves, at least in the version I watched.

I really liked the new placement of the Luke and Yoda scene. I feel like it really works there.

I don’t think the changes to Finn’s sacrifice were very seamless. Maybe I’m just biased since I’ve seen it a few times, but the trimming of his attack run is noticeable, mainly how the music crossfades. Also the trimming of Rose’s lines wasn’t seamless to me either. I wonder if you cut “I saved you, DUMMY” but kept “not about fighting what we hate” line, it might work better. Maybe just keeping the first half and let the audience assume the rest? I’m not really sure on this one. I don’t know if it is the line that doesn’t work or the moment the line is in.

I feel like without seeing the Canto Bight slave kids at some point earlier in the film, it feels really out of place seeing them at the end, especially with the focus on the ring that has no context anymore. Are we to just assume now that they are just random slave kids somewhere out in the galaxy, unrelated to Canto Bight? I think the way you trimmed it still leaves some questions but I think it pretty much works. I wonder when you cut to them rushing into the casino, you could have the music continue to play, but quietly fading out, in the background to help the cut. It just halts at the moment. Not a deal breaker though. It’d be great if you could use a shot of them leaving the planet, but it would be hard to use what’s available and it not look weird.

I’d be in favor of keeping the leaf/reed moment. Or at least keeping, “Okay… but what is it?”

Overall though I think most of your cuts were pretty seamless. I didn’t read your cutlist before I watched it and I actually didn’t notice some of the changes, like removing the coin sounds from BB-8 (though I think you can still hear it a little when he gets thrown out) and the removal of the cowl line. Good job.

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pleasehello said:

Hal, I know you excised the Phasma fight completely or had plans to do so. I did the same in my edit and the transition itself works well, but when I watched it back in the context of the entire film, their escape from the Dreadnaught felt empty and lacking to me.

Wondering if anyone here has had a similar feeling about that. I’m probably just overthinking it, though.

Have any editors attempted to add the deleted Phasma scene from the BD into the movie?

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That one’s way too far from finished to be able to integrate seamlessly.

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You are right, it really is. I just watched it again. It’s like 1990’s green screen.

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RogueLeader said:

Hal 9000 said:

I’d be interested. What’d you post? There are thousands of comments.

Here is my post on that thread:
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1201956/action/topic#1201956

Nice, thanks. Good points; this movie certainly gives us substance to digest, which I am glad for. I said TFA felt a little anemic when it came to mythic substance.

Some thoughts on your workprint.
Early on, it is a little noticeable how Finn just randomly says, “I’m not a Resistance hero” even though Rose never calls him that. Yeah, she says, "THE Finn”, but she could’ve meant, “Yeah, the First Order traitor, Finn!” I do like the idea of cutting the “breathe” line, but I wonder if more of what Rose says could be kept.

Hard to disagree with you.

I believe the box Luke sits on at Crait still moves, at least in the version I watched.

Yeah, I forgot that I hadn’t actually gotten that clip back yet, but it should be forthcoming.

I really liked the new placement of the Luke and Yoda scene. I feel like it really works there.

Favorite single change.

I don’t think the changes to Finn’s sacrifice were very seamless. Maybe I’m just biased since I’ve seen it a few times, but the trimming of his attack run is noticeable, mainly how the music crossfades. Also the trimming of Rose’s lines wasn’t seamless to me either. I wonder if you cut “I saved you, DUMMY” but kept “not about fighting what we hate” line, it might work better. Maybe just keeping the first half and let the audience assume the rest? I’m not really sure on this one. I don’t know if it is the line that doesn’t work or the moment the line is in.

I’m uploading a clip to test a slightly different approach.

I feel like without seeing the Canto Bight slave kids at some point earlier in the film, it feels really out of place seeing them at the end, especially with the focus on the ring that has no context anymore. Are we to just assume now that they are just random slave kids somewhere out in the galaxy, unrelated to Canto Bight? I think the way you trimmed it still leaves some questions but I think it pretty much works. I wonder when you cut to them rushing into the casino, you could have the music continue to play, but quietly fading out, in the background to help the cut. It just halts at the moment. Not a deal breaker though. It’d be great if you could use a shot of them leaving the planet, but it would be hard to use what’s available and it not look weird.

I imagine it wouldn’t work, but I will attempt a more gradual fade out of the casino steel drum music. And the more I think about it, I like that we don’t already know these kids. They’re just Cinderella-archetype kids in bad situations using brooms as lightsabers and wearing Rebel Alliance decoder rings as they tell stories in the basement when their pig monster master is away. For all we know, this could be a glance into the far future.

I’d be in favor of keeping the leaf/reed moment. Or at least keeping, “Okay… but what is it?”

I can’t keep only that one line without screwing up Rey’s eyeline between shots. It doesn’t matter, since I am putting the reed moment back in. It works well without it, and I think Darthrush’s version will do this very well.

Overall though I think most of your cuts were pretty seamless. I didn’t read your cutlist before I watched it and I actually didn’t notice some of the changes, like removing the coin sounds from BB-8 (though I think you can still hear it a little when he gets thrown out) and the removal of the cowl line. Good job.

Thanks! The coins can still be heard somewhat with BB8 being thrown out, though if you weren’t already primed for them, I bet they would just sound like bits and pieces of BB8, as if he hit the ground and shook a few things loose inside.

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Ok, it works well. The death star tech (😄) gun shot covers the audio cut seamlessly.

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You could try cutting from the exploding door to Finn watching Rose falling back and see how it works without the kiss.

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Why would you cut the kiss ? (what if Finn and Rose are an item in Episode 9 ?)