The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 211

The reason I assume YouTube reviews are terrible by default is that literally almost anyone can do one. I’m sure there are good ones but they’re 0.0001% of the total because there’s zero quality control. And often when someone recommends some great video in here (or elsewhere) they turn out to be one of the 99.9999%. So while it’s wrong to assume every YouTube video is bad, the chances of being right about it are pretty solid.

(says this having not watched the most recent video posted)

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

The reason I assume YouTube reviews are terrible by default is that literally almost anyone can do one. I’m sure there are good ones but they’re 0.0001% of the total because there’s zero quality control. And often when someone recommends some great video in here (or elsewhere) they turn out to be one of the 99.9999%. So while it’s wrong to assume every YouTube video is bad, the chances of being right about it are pretty solid.

(says this having not watched the most recent video posted)

If your ratio was accurate, nobody would go to Youtube.
I find a useful metric is 90% crap, 10% good.

I thought no one was allowed to post in this thread unless they were using hyperbole, and that anyone who didn’t use hyperbole would literally have their eyeballs removed by ravenous birds.

Regardless, point stands.

Matt.F said:

Collipso said:

Matt.F said:

ray_afraid said:

SilverWook said:

I wasn’t writing them off, I was trying to say the traditional movie critic who had a journalistic background or came out of the movie industry seems a rare breed these days.

There were plenty of critics I couldn’t stand back in the day. There was at least one who seemed to enjoy trashing Star Wars regularly. Probably pulling their hair out now if they’re still around. 😉

OOH! Have ya seen the video of Siskel & Ebert defending ROTJ against some fool? It’s great! 😄
Here it is

Thanks, I loved seeing that and Siskel says exactly the same thing I just said!

“This is very good of its kind.” He repeats it again and again. “This is very good OF ITS KIND.”

Judge The Last Jedi against its peers. Objectively it is a high quality family film. You can look at the professional critics opinions, aggregated on metacritic and rotten tomatoes. This is very good of its kind. Pirates Of The Caribbean, Transformers, Planet Of The Apes, Justice League. This is not opinion, this is the truth.

Shouldn’t you judge Star Wars vs Star Wars? They’re all Star Wars movies.

No, because if I say to you Collipso ‘what is your fave film of all time?’ and you reply “Empire Strikes Back” - then you are judging this new flick against the highest cinematic benchmark you’ve ever experienced. Nothing should have to attain such an unrealistic stretch target.

But if I say to you, “Collipso, out of the films you saw in 2017, which did you enjoy the most?”… and that film is The Last Jedi then I would say that’s a great success!

I see your point. However, I think we should judge a Star Wars movie against other Star Wars movies. If Star Wars movies have hit a certain mark in the past, I expect the other that follow it to do the same, to hit the same marks and if possible even more. If not, I won’t be impressed. In fact I’ll be a bit disappointed, that’s all.

I still really enjoyed both of my TLJ experiences. I do think that, as a movie, the first act is fairly weak and messy, and that the pace during that session is not very good at all. I also think some of the dialogue and writing decisions didn’t resonate well with me. But it’d still be a 7/10 or 7.5/10 for me, and that’s ok. What I don’t like are some of the directions taken with the characters. And I have my problems with the ST as a whole too.

PS: Star Wars is my favorite Star Wars movie, and my favorite movie of all time is probably The Godfather Part II.

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

The reason I assume YouTube reviews are terrible by default is that literally almost anyone can do one. I’m sure there are good ones but they’re 0.0001% of the total because there’s zero quality control. And often when someone recommends some great video in here (or elsewhere) they turn out to be one of the 99.9999%. So while it’s wrong to assume every YouTube video is bad, the chances of being right about it are pretty solid.

(says this having not watched the most recent video posted)

If your ratio was accurate, nobody would go to Youtube.
I find a useful metric is 90% crap, 10% good.

Those numbers are good, but I’m not sure about your quality descriptions. I’d say 90% unwatchable vs. 10% watchable. What’s actually good within that 10% is up for debate.

Frank your Majesty said:

Collipso said:

Matt.F said:

Collipso said:

Matt.F said:

ray_afraid said:

SilverWook said:

I wasn’t writing them off, I was trying to say the traditional movie critic who had a journalistic background or came out of the movie industry seems a rare breed these days.

There were plenty of critics I couldn’t stand back in the day. There was at least one who seemed to enjoy trashing Star Wars regularly. Probably pulling their hair out now if they’re still around. 😉

OOH! Have ya seen the video of Siskel & Ebert defending ROTJ against some fool? It’s great! 😄
Here it is

Thanks, I loved seeing that and Siskel says exactly the same thing I just said!

“This is very good of its kind.” He repeats it again and again. “This is very good OF ITS KIND.”

Judge The Last Jedi against its peers. Objectively it is a high quality family film. You can look at the professional critics opinions, aggregated on metacritic and rotten tomatoes. This is very good of its kind. Pirates Of The Caribbean, Transformers, Planet Of The Apes, Justice League. This is not opinion, this is the truth.

Shouldn’t you judge Star Wars vs Star Wars? They’re all Star Wars movies.

No, because if I say to you Collipso ‘what is your fave film of all time?’ and you reply “Empire Strikes Back” - then you are judging this new flick against the highest cinematic benchmark you’ve ever experienced. Nothing should have to attain such an unrealistic stretch target.

But if I say to you, “Collipso, out of the films you saw in 2017, which did you enjoy the most?”… and that film is The Last Jedi then I would say that’s a great success!

I see your point. However, I think we should judge a Star Wars movie against other Star Wars movies. If Star Wars movies have hit a certain mark in the past, I expect the other that follow it to do the same, to hit the same marks and if possible even more. If not, I won’t be impressed. In fact I’ll be a bit disappointed, that’s all.

I still really enjoyed both of my TLJ experiences. I do think that, as a movie, the first act is fairly weak and messy, and that the pace during that session is not very good at all. I also think some of the dialogue and writing decisions didn’t resonate well with me. But it’d still be a 7/10 or 7.5/10 for me, and that’s ok. What I don’t like are some of the directions taken with the characters. And I have my problems with the ST as a whole too.

PS: Star Wars is my favorite Star Wars movie, and my favorite movie of all time is probably The Godfather Part II.

If you want to compare TLJ to other Star Wars movies, why not include the prequels in this comparison? We finally have watchable Star Wars movies again, it might not be ESB level, but there are only two Star Wars movies which reached that, anyways. ROTJ is a solid movie, but compared to all Star Wars movies before it, it’s a letdown. TLJ, compared to all Star Wars movies before it, is closer to ESB than AOTC.

I do include the prequels and TLJ is certainly better than them. The prequels didn’t hit several of the marks that the OT and the ST did, but the ST didn’t hit some that only the OT did so far.

A Star Wars movie should be judged on several levels. It is important to judge it with other Star Wars movies. But also other movies of various types. It is part of a series, so comparing it to other series would be interesting. How does it compare to the last Pirates movie, or Logan, or any other later series installment. It’s also worth comparing it to current movies or any slice of the movie industry you care to. Every comparison gives useful data. Critics loved it. It has been very popular in the box office. Some Star Wars fans hate it, done love it. That was very similar to the reaction to TESB in 1980, while today it is considered the best of the saga, a status it didn’t gain until well after ROTJ. So every comparison will tell you something about it as a movie. Only you can say if you liked it or not and your opinion might change based on IX, or something else.

DrTroll

Matt.F said:

DrTroll

This standing alone is not that bad, but it’s getting to the point where I almost consider the sum of it all harassment.

It’s on topic.

Frank your Majesty said:

But not contributing much. If he wants to make a point, he should write down his point, not post some stupid comic.

Jeez, relax…it is a joke. I thought it was funny, whilst also making a point, which is really obvious, and does not require written text. I don’t know how many off-topic “funny” remarks have been posted in this thread, and you’re raging against an on-topic cartoon? The forum rules allow image only posts, if they are on-topic btw, and the cartoon makes a good point regarding the application of TLJ’s in-universe logic. It’s a nitpick to an extend, but it is also a valid criticism, considering the film features both a slow chase, where the bad guys somehow cannot get in range to kill the good guys for the reason of plot convenience, and a ship, that is used by the good guys as a lightspeed torpedo against the bad guys at a critical point in the film. It does make it seem, like RJ wanted to have his cake and eat it.

Ps. I should add, that I feel the cartoon is more entertaining than this post.

Collipso said:

Matt.F said:

DrTroll

This standing alone is not that bad, but it’s getting to the point where I almost consider the sum of it all harassment.

You’re not alone in that opinion, but hey what are you gonna do? Just ignore, I guess.

Frank your Majesty said:

DrDre said:

Frank your Majesty said:

But not contributing much. If he wants to make a point, he should write down his point, not post some stupid comic.

Jeez, relax…it is a joke. I thought it was funny, whilst also making a point, which is really obvious, and does not require written text. I don’t know how many off-topic “funny” remarks have been posted in this thread, and you’re raging against an on-topic cartoon? The forum rules allow image only posts if they are on-topic btw, and the cartoon makes a good point regarding the application of TLJ’s in-universe logic. It’s a nitpick to an extend, but it is also a valid criticism, considering the film features both a slow chase, where the bad guys somehow cannot get in range to kill the good guys for the reason of plot convenience, and a ship, that is used by the good guys as a lightspeed torpedo against the bad guys at a critical point in the film. It does make it seem, like RJ wanted to have his cake and eat it.

Ps. I should add, that I feel the cartoon is more entertaining than this post.

I’m not raging. And the rules say “No image-only posts unless the image has a direct bearing on the topic at hand and it adds value to the discussion.” I agree that the pic was on-topic, however, whether it adds value to the discussion is very debatable.

You might not feel so, but I do, so there you go. I’m not in favour of disagreeing with an opinion, and then to pass it off as not having value, or something even less pleasant. There’s too much of that going on around here. I would rather discuss the point being made.